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Socialism Destroys

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You are straight up wrong about Bernie Sanders.
Yeah.

Are you going to be a man and own it, or will you keep spouting off nonsense?
I said his idea was stupid, clearly, look who was elected. Then I was shocked in disbelief that you voted for him and then I said yeah.

You said things like "Yo this looks dope..." I laughed when I read that.

Forgive me, I just don't think that **** be dope dog...lol
 
No it's a reply

Yeah.

I said his idea was stupid, clearly, look who was elected. Then I was shocked in disbelief that you voted for him and then I said yeah.

You said things like "Yo this looks dope..." I laughed when I read that.

Forgive me, I just don't think that **** be dope dog...lol

Do you like that I can use ebonics ironically and still type far above your capability? Mind blowing, right?
 
The left does nothing but demonize the right. Just in the recent Kavanaugh hearings, Democratic senators said that if Kavanaugh were on the court millions would die and called Kavanaugh evil. That's just the recent examples of the one million examples, not to mention Hillary calling Trump supporters deplorables, and others calling the right racists, bigots, and misogynists.

Puhhh freegin leeze.

you guys have demonized the word socialism to the point you label everything socialist and conflate it with castro. You've demonized the word "liberal" to where it's a bad word in your circle unlike how conservative is in our circle. You guys don't even have the respect to call the Democratic Party the DemocratIC Party because you all demonize that to DemocRAT Party. You guys are at such a war with reality that the dictionary itself is an anathema to you. You guys basically dismiss any policy discussion by just saying one of these words. "Oh that's socialism" "Oh that's librulz" and such then turn on your heals and run out of the room as if you actually made a point on anything.

So you can give your victim card a rest.
 
So what body part was being poked with six years straight of hearing about Obama’s secret Kenyan birth certificate?

I'm a moderate. The whole Obama birth certificate thing was a bogus piece of crap, mostly believed in by the unhinged far right, not the right in general. Hell, Bill O'Reilly didn't even believe that.
 
I'm a moderate. The whole Obama birth certificate thing was a bogus piece of crap, mostly believed in by the unhinged far right, not the right in general. Hell, Bill O'Reilly didn't even believe that.

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The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

Soooo "moderate" you are.

:lamo
 
Thats pretty much the end game of Trade War too. Good to see that no matter who we put in, we end in the same place...

LOL. Even Schumer congratulated Trump over his trade deal with Canada and Mexico.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/...-campaign-promise-with-deal-to-replace-nafta/

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., praised Trump for taking steps to improve NAFTA, which the senator opposed for many years, while he withheld support for the deal pending more detailed knowledge. Schumer added, “any final agreement must be judged on how it benefits and protects middle-class families and the working people in our country.”
 
I'm a moderate. The whole Obama birth certificate thing was a bogus piece of crap, mostly believed in by the unhinged far right, not the right in general. Hell, Bill O'Reilly didn't even believe that.

There isn't a such thing as moderate right. There is correct and fascist nazi that's it.

Lol
 
Puhhh freegin leeze.

you guys have demonized the word socialism to the point you label everything socialist and conflate it with castro. You've demonized the word "liberal" to where it's a bad word in your circle unlike how conservative is in our circle. You guys don't even have the respect to call the Democratic Party the DemocratIC Party because you all demonize that to DemocRAT Party. You guys are at such a war with reality that the dictionary itself is an anathema to you. You guys basically dismiss any policy discussion by just saying one of these words. "Oh that's socialism" "Oh that's librulz" and such then turn on your heals and run out of the room as if you actually made a point on anything.

So you can give your victim card a rest.

LOL. You guys have been victims ever since losing over 1000 seats to Republicans, culminating in Trump's 2016 election win and subsequent confirmations of two conservative justices on the court.
 
LOL. You guys have been victims ever since losing over 1000 seats to Republicans, culminating in Trump's 2016 election win and subsequent confirmations of two conservative justices on the court.

Here's the gloat trolling again. Seems to be our fallback when you can't conjure up and actual on-topic sentence.
 
HAHAHAHA!!!! What is it with you people and Cuba and Venezuela. That's not Democratic Socialism, that's totalitarianism. Democratic Socialism in the style of Bernie Sanders has been working very very well in Canada, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, Finland, Germany, Australia....

In fact, if you look at rankings of countries in the world by their quality of life you'll find that every country that's ahead of America has policies very similar to what Bernie Sanders is advocating for. You can quit with the Venezuela and Cuba crap they're not comparable at all.

Ah another "thats not real socialism" argument. You've lost dude give it up.
 
Actual socialism is a damaging government structure.

Thankfully what we call "democratic socialism" isn't actually socialism, there's no attempt to control means of production. It's just a system of social programs to make sure that there's some base level of coverage and protection for all citizens.

Being social doesn't mean being socialist.

Chavez in Venezuela told the people there the same thing, and then it turned into something else. I agree that if all it means is more government services in a market based economy it would be no problem, but there is a big danger that leftist leaders won't stop at that.

HAHAHAHA!!!! What is it with you people and Cuba and Venezuela. That's not Democratic Socialism, that's totalitarianism. Democratic Socialism in the style of Bernie Sanders has been working very very well in Canada, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, Finland, Germany, Australia....

In fact, if you look at rankings of countries in the world by their quality of life you'll find that every country that's ahead of America has policies very similar to what Bernie Sanders is advocating for. You can quit with the Venezuela and Cuba crap they're not comparable at all.

I hope your are right, but I doubt it. There are socialist leaders in Sweden right now who want to go the full socialist route, but they don't have enough power yet.

Cuba wasn’t a democracy in the first place under Bautista, so claimed that “democracy was discarded” isn’t really true.

Funny how the exact same thing is true every time a country starts down a far right wing path.

Castro promised democracy. They still maintain that they are a democracy, but of course it isn't true at all.

Most people on the left don't actually want socialism. What they want is Nordic capitalism. The Scandinavian countries operate under capitalism even though people constantly call it socialism. The left wants social safety nets and healthcare for all. They want young people to have access to college without needing to go into debt. They want people to make enough money at their jobs to live comfortably without needing welfare. Comparing what the left is fighting for to Venezuela or Cuba is dishonest at best.

The radical left wingers who many times end up running things want full socialism with, I suspect, most of the resources going into their own pockets.
 
Yep.

Leftists believe if it didn't work the first time, double down on it.

"Double Down" might actually be Trump's middle name, dude
 
Any system can be used to destroy. The question is finding the right balance so a system doesn't consume itself in one way or another. Situations like Venezuela and Cuba had issues with their styles of governance for a variety of reasons, and what plays a factor is the economic state of the populace. Sharp divides in wealth concentration make it easy to target the elites and their wealth since they control it. It becomes harder to pull off when you have a better distribution of wealth. A strong middle class won't be as eager to strip everything down as much as those who have nothing.
 
Chavez in Venezuela told the people there the same thing, and then it turned into something else. I agree that if all it means is more government services in a market based economy it would be no problem, but there is a big danger that leftist leaders won't stop at that.



I hope your are right, but I doubt it. There are socialist leaders in Sweden right now who want to go the full socialist route, but they don't have enough power yet.



Castro promised democracy. They still maintain that they are a democracy, but of course it isn't true at all.



The radical left wingers who many times end up running things want full socialism with, I suspect, most of the resources going into their own pockets.

Which doesn't change the fact that the claim that it was Castro who "did away with democracy" is factually incorrect. He didn't restore it, true, but you also can't blame him for something which was gone long before he took power.
 
When Castro took power in Cuba the people cheered because they thought that everyone would be equal and would want for nothing.

But Castro's government failed to run the economy in a rational or efficient manner, and Castro discarded democracy, using the military to maintain power. Many rights and freedoms were lost because only with coercion by force could Castro's socialist ideal be maintained. So everyone suffered and continue to suffer, and most of them have no way to escape this hell.

A few have managed to escape. One survivor, describing conditions in present day Cuba, said, "You don't see any future. Everything is stagnated. Health care, education—nowadays they're in ruins."

"[People who support socialism] should wake up," says Gloria Alvarez. She is from Guatemala and says, "I've seen the impact of socialism. My father escaped Cuba. My grandfather suffered under Communists in Hungary before escaping."

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"As a child, I was taught to mock socialism," she says, "but democratic socialism sounded OK. It made sense that government should take care of the economy. Then I watched democratic socialism fail in Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, Ecuador, El Salvador, Chile, Nicaragua, and Uruguay. I learned that every time a country started down the socialist path, it fails."

https://reason.com/archives/2018/10/10/socialism-destroys

The socialism of Venezuela and Cuba isn't the same as the socialism of Germany, Australia and Norway.
 
America has a great deal of socialism, as a farmer with lower property taxes, income coming from the federal government. Ask people on Social Security how they love socialism. Ask people that are going to college with a grant or scholarship and even a student loan. Ask people that use the interstate highway system, or the local roads. Ask people that use the postal system. Socialism works.
 
America has a great deal of socialism, as a farmer with lower property taxes, income coming from the federal government. Ask people on Social Security how they love socialism. Ask people that are going to college with a grant or scholarship and even a student loan. Ask people that use the interstate highway system, or the local roads. Ask people that use the postal system. Socialism works.

Socialism works, but these folks are so ignorant that they don't even know that it's working for them. Their residual post-cold war neuroses and paranoias are exploited by the 1% to fight against their own interests. So actually, if you DO ask that farmer or the person on Social Security or going to college on a grant how they like socialism, and you word it that way, they will immediately whip out the American flags and would hack away at those very branches they are sitting on. If you are the Koch brothers, why would you not exploit such primitive ignorance and emotionalism?

Remember all those Tea Party placards back in 2009: "Stop socialized medicine and keep your hands off my Medicare!" ? :lamo

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This is the people we are dealing with here. We are dealing with very ignorant and uneducated people. It's really hard to run a democracy when you have such a large segment of the electorate which remains so ignorant and subject to appeals to such primitive visceral emotionalism.
 
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Socialism works, but these folks are so ignorant that they don't even know that it's working for them. Their residual post-cold war neuroses and paranoias are exploited by the 1% to fight against their own interests. So actually, if you DO ask that farmer or the person on Social Security or going to college on a grant how they like socialism, and you word it that way, they will immediately whip out the American flags and would hack away at those very branches they are sitting on. If you are the Koch brothers, why would you not exploit such primitive ignorance and emotionalism?

Remember all those Tea Party placards back in 2009: "Stop socialized medicine and keep your hands off my Medicare!" ? :lamo

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This is the people we are dealing with here. We are dealing with very ignorant and uneducated people. It's really hard to run a democracy when you have such a large segment of the electorate which remains so ignorant and subject to appeals to such primitive visceral emotionalism.

They do not understand that socialism is a complex subject. There is socialism like Stalin, there is socialism like communism. I on the other hand support the Social Democrats of western Europe were they rebuilt the west after World War II to be a economic powerhouse like Germany. To them, socialism of NAZI Germany and Stalin Russia is interchangeable
 
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