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The solution to the gun problem, 100% private cities/towns that ban guns.

Lutherf said:
We do the same thing on a smaller scale out here. Businesses are free to prohibit firearms in their place of business. This idea would be a bigger version of the same thing. If it’s private property then let them do their thing.
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There is a huge difference between 'rules' of a private business applying inside their walls and those 'rules' extending into their (potential?) customer's homes. Even a private business banning guns has no authority to take someone's gun.
 
Goshin said:
Besides electric fences and armed border guards, you'll need a lot more if you really want the town to be gun-free. (hint it isn't already... armed border guards means there are guns inside).


Whenever a resident returns from outside, will they and their vehicle be subject to a nuclear-level search? I doubt you have ANY idea how easy it is to smuggle guns and ammo in a vehicle through a checkpoint, and how hard it is to ensure that won't happen. Will your residents put up with a 20min to 1 hour search every time they return home from outside town? Will you strip-search them every time? I'm an ex-cop, I know how hard it is to find things people don't want you to find.


It's a pipe dream... you've already compromised it in principle and practical effect by stipulating armed guards, as if armed guards never do anything bad or stupid....or have their weapon stolen or lost...
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Any citizen can wear a body camera that can be monatered fully to avoid the search to show they never went and picked up a gun. but all others will have to be searched again.
 
Goshin said:
You realize training costs money; highly trained personnel cost more money every year; and even a high level of training does not entirely ensure nothing bad will ever happen.

Won't be no poor folks in your town I guess... you're talking lots of expense here.
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I’ve actually recommended this solution myself. We even have a working model for it. Granted, we call that model “prison” but they could call it “Daffodil Hill” if they wanted.
 
Lutherf said:
I’m good with that. People should be free to organize that way if they so choose. As long as they don’t try to impose those controls on others then let them live the way they see fit.
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I'm good with it in principle but as pointed out its illegal to deny people their constitutional rights.

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Sackeshi said:
Any citizen can wear a body camera that can be monatered fully to avoid the search to show they never went and picked up a gun. but all others will have to be searched again.
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You really think people are going to put up with all that? Might as well live in a dictatorship. An expensive one.


But hey, knock yourself out... free country, do yo thang.
 
Lutherf said:
We do the same thing on a smaller scale out here. Businesses are free to prohibit firearms in their place of business. This idea would be a bigger version of the same thing. If it’s private property then let them do their thing.
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It won't work very well without prison-level security measures, as you pointed out. Not anywhere I'd want to live....
 
Sackeshi said:
The town will have elections but the town charter will specifically ban fire arms outright and allow for the expulsion of pro gun candidates, everything else is fare game though.
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So someone couldn't even believe in the 2nd Amendment, even if they didn't own one? Wow, you best hope that they don't decide that anyone with a belief in (you name it) is a threat to their bubble, or you will be ejected.

Do you not see the underlying issue with said Utopia?
 
Sackeshi said:
Um they would all be granted free healthcare and free college (4 years) and affordable housing in replace of guns. Not a bad deal if you ask me. When the city goes a decade with out a single shot being fired then people will be wanting to come in mass to the city.
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What about knives? Baseball bats? Bear traps? small pieces of Lego strewn across the street? All these things (and more) can serve as a 'weapon', guns are only a matter of an available tool.
 
Sackeshi said:
If a city is 100% privately owned, from the roads to the water system to the power grid, to waste disposal, to schools, to universities, to emergency services, to hospitals. Then the state/federal government/courts and have no basis on which to strike down the ban and the residents/citizens of the town have no right or method to sue as the "private government" is fulfilling all its duties on the private dollar and no taxes are being used from outside the town/city.

With this in place the pro gun control/anti gun folk like myself would have places where we could be 100% safe from the gun violence with out having to worry about courts striking down our laws.
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CRIMINALS do not follow laws, even IDIOTIC ones like you propose.

Your "private utopia" will be the PREFERRED TARGET of violent criminals m as they know there will be NO RESISTANCE.

It ain't rocket science, except to the Reality Challenged Left:


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Molon labe.
 
Sackeshi said:
If a city is 100% privately owned, from the roads to the water system to the power grid, to waste disposal, to schools, to universities, to emergency services, to hospitals. Then the state/federal government/courts and have no basis on which to strike down the ban and the residents/citizens of the town have no right or method to sue as the "private government" is fulfilling all its duties on the private dollar and no taxes are being used from outside the town/city.

With this in place the pro gun control/anti gun folk like myself would have places where we could be 100% safe from the gun violence with out having to worry about courts striking down our laws.
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Ah, still another Democrat who has his logic of why the federal Constitutional Bill Of Rights should be total eliminated.

The Democratic Party, now controlled by the radical left fascists, may be the greatest danger this nation has ever faced as they try to turn the USA into the 1930s Nazi Germany.
 
Sackeshi said:
If a city is 100% privately owned, from the roads to the water system to the power grid, to waste disposal, to schools, to universities, to emergency services, to hospitals. Then the state/federal government/courts and have no basis on which to strike down the ban and the residents/citizens of the town have no right or method to sue as the "private government" is fulfilling all its duties on the private dollar and no taxes are being used from outside the town/city.

With this in place the pro gun control/anti gun folk like myself would have places where we could be 100% safe from the gun violence with out having to worry about courts striking down our laws.
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Great plan. Why don't you start working on it? Good luck. The liberal world would not exist with no government, no taxes, and no safety nets for all of the freeloaders.
 
Sackeshi said:
Yes but they will be trained much more then average police in the US
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So, history teaches you nothing eh? When only the "government" and that's what your "private city" management would be, has all the guns bad things happen.

People that want to be victims, should flock to your city... I welcome your idea, you folks have a grand old time and tell us all about your experience.
 
Sackeshi said:
If a city is 100% privately owned, from the roads to the water system to the power grid, to waste disposal, to schools, to universities, to emergency services, to hospitals. Then the state/federal government/courts and have no basis on which to strike down the ban and the residents/citizens of the town have no right or method to sue as the "private government" is fulfilling all its duties on the private dollar and no taxes are being used from outside the town/city.

With this in place the pro gun control/anti gun folk like myself would have places where we could be 100% safe from the gun violence with out having to worry about courts striking down our laws.
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For many years, DC had a handgun ban. How did that work out?
 
GottaGo said:
So someone couldn't even believe in the 2nd Amendment, even if they didn't own one? Wow, you best hope that they don't decide that anyone with a belief in (you name it) is a threat to their bubble, or you will be ejected.

Do you not see the underlying issue with said Utopia?
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Why would they want to run on a pro gun platform if they didn't want to own one.

I am willing to risk getting booted for having an unpopular stance on things. If it means we don't have to even entertain gun rights.
 
Renae said:
So what do you do when a Guard shoots up the place?
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They wont. Ill probably hire ones from europe. Where they are properly trained.
 
Sackeshi said:
If a city is 100% privately owned, from the roads to the water system to the power grid, to waste disposal, to schools, to universities, to emergency services, to hospitals. Then the state/federal government/courts and have no basis on which to strike down the ban and the residents/citizens of the town have no right or method to sue as the "private government" is fulfilling all its duties on the private dollar and no taxes are being used from outside the town/city.

With this in place the pro gun control/anti gun folk like myself would have places where we could be 100% safe from the gun violence with out having to worry about courts striking down our laws.
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How would private city get payments from State and Federal govts?

Chicago already bans all guns and yet has the worst gun violence stats. How would your idea change anything?
 
First, there are virtually no cities in the USA where the city "owns everything."

Second, civic classes have not been taught for decades in public school, so unfortunately a growing percentage of the population have no idea how government is structured or works. By his same logic, if a city "owns everything" the city could then legalize racially based slavery, since the OPer is claiming the Bill Of Rights shouldn't apply to such cities.
 
Sackeshi said:
If a city is 100% privately owned, from the roads to the water system to the power grid, to waste disposal, to schools, to universities, to emergency services, to hospitals. Then the state/federal government/courts and have no basis on which to strike down the ban and the residents/citizens of the town have no right or method to sue as the "private government" is fulfilling all its duties on the private dollar and no taxes are being used from outside the town/city.

With this in place the pro gun control/anti gun folk like myself would have places where we could be 100% safe from the gun violence with out having to worry about courts striking down our laws.
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that doesn't seem very practical. If I'm going to build my own private city. The last reason I would do it is for pansies to feel safe from guns.

I'd do it to make an energy efficient city that removes the need for cars. And automatically recycles waste and water. Oh and is underground...
 
Sackeshi said:
The town will have elections but the town charter will specifically ban fire arms outright and allow for the expulsion of pro gun candidates, everything else is fare game though.
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So this is just a joke thread by a noob?
 
Sackeshi said:
Its europe they don't kill civilians. Only the US has police killings of civilians daily.
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Yes they do, it does happen don't act like it doesn't but that is aside the point. Completely different situations in terms of laws, freedoms and cultures. You know what would be better, instead of wasting all that time and money on a "Magic city" why not just move to Europe?
 
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