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For the 1st time in my adult life I'm voting moderate Republican - Open letter to Democrats

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This from one of my Jewish Friends here in Rochester, NY.

DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE
430 South Capitol Street Southeast
Washington, DC 20003

To whom it concerns:

Hello fellow Democrats, my name is XXXX XXXXXXX,

I have been a life-long Democrat, except for when I voted for Reagan, twice in the 80's. Watching the display on Capitol Hill this past month has me in utter disgust for my beloved Democrat party. It got me thinking, how the hell did this happen, so I began to unwrap it all in my head, and this is the best I could come up with, on how our party has become a manifest disaster. When did we start disrespecting the flag? When did we as a party openly hold contempt for fundamental rights such as free speech, privacy, property, and above all, the right to a presumption of innocence? When did we stop caring about the middle-class, when did we stop caring about jobs, and manufacturing? When did we openly call for the harassment of people who disagreed with us, and when did we start refusing to debate the merits of our position on the many issues that confront our society?

It seems our current crop of Democrat leaders has gone all in on the politics of division, and identity, and I can't fathom how this could have happened, but I am going to offer a possible explanation. For years we embraced, even patted ourselves on the back that, we had lock-step control of our education system, the arts, and craft industries. I agreed enthusiastically with the long-game, ensuring that our philosophies on political governance would continue to build, and shape young minds for decades to come. I'm starting to think that, in theory, what seemed like a great idea at the time, is turning against us, and here's why I think it back-fired, and went terribly wrong.

Our nations higher-education institutions have been spitting out self-righteous, indignant souls for at least the last 20 years. These kids have no grasp of personal responsibility, nor accountability. They're fed a poisonous message from beginning through to the end of their education. One that openly embraces the messages in my first paragraph. These messages are NOT American, they are not democratic, and they certainly do not reflect the messages of past great Democrat leaders; in fact, they are clearly opposite of that message. These kids have taken on positions of power within several key, and important communities, namely, big tech, and what passes for journalism these days.

As I delve further into my soul search, I find that the current Democrat leaders have begun to fear these voices, and for whatever reason I am not sure. When and why was it ever a good idea to cater to socialists, communists, and fascists? They used to have their own parties, as maligned as they were, they had them. Now, they've become part of our party, and they're loud and well funder and organized. Yet, allow me to remind the leaders of our party. THEY are still a very tiny fraction of the American voting electorate, they always have been, so I am not clear why we (Which means YOU) have embraced their platform? You think I'm kidding? No, I'm quite serious, the modern 2018 Democrat party is a collection of tribes, of competing interested parties, that all have their own axes to grind, and now they belong to the much larger Democrat party which gives them some legitimacy.

You've made a terrible error in calculation, or, God forbid (I'm not religious by the way) this is all part of the plan. I hope I'm wrong about that, but when did moderate Republican's steal our issues? How did we let them do that to us? I'll tell you how, because our leadership is disjointed, unfocused and mostly undisciplined cowards! That's right, YOU let them in, and now you can't stand up to them. What will become of us, and how do we fix it?

Part II to follow:
 
Part II...

One way is to recognize we made a grave error in what we espouse to our youth through our education system, and through various forms of media. Admitting it is the first step to reconciliation. Secondly, we need to remember how we are. We are not the party to spit on our constitution, to play identity politics, to place people into neat little tribes, and to openly attack groups based on the actions of individuals! That's what anarchists do, that's what Alinsky, and Marx would advocate, do we really want to go that route?

I used to remember not so long ago when we advocated strong borders, a strong and effective military, a desire to hold criminals fully accountable, fair trade, peace, and the presumption of innocence. I used to remember when we applauded free speech, a right to privacy, and property, and I remember when we Democrats actually cared about the working poor, and middle America!

I'm voting moderate Independent or Republican this year, and it may not count for much in my state, but I hope that this message finds it's way to a great many Democrats who feel the same way I do. We need to suck up the short term pain of voting Republican or Independent, for the long term health of our party, and the only way to do that is to get you idiots in Washington to realize that we will not tolerate the messages you're all sending us, and we certainly will not tolerate cowardly approach to Socialists, communists, and fascists. Kick them out and let them go back to me marginalized for their insane positions!

Your truly:

XXXX XXXXX

Not sure I agree with all of it, but it does confirm what I've ben saying about my Jewish friends and other more moderate dims I hang with..

Good luck Democrats, you've lost your way for sure!

Tim-
 
I have been a life-long Democrat...
Well there's his problem (the same problem as "life-long Republicans"). Anyone who blindly voted for candidates because they happened to be members of a particular political party are the main cause of the problem and blindly switching to another party is no kind of solution. His issue isn't the politics of division, only that (he thinks) the division is no longer along lines he agrees with.
 
Well there's his problem (the same problem as "life-long Republicans"). Anyone who blindly voted for candidates because they happened to be members of a particular political party are the main cause of the problem and blindly switching to another party is no kind of solution. His issue isn't the politics of division, only that (he thinks) the division is no longer along lines he agrees with.

Yeah I tend to agree with you, but that said, I do understand his point.

Tim-
 
It is definitely an interesting time. I know several Democrats turning Republican and several Republicans turning Democrat. Not because their ideologies have changed but because they are so turned off by their parties’ behavior over the past few years.

Wouldn’t it be nice if they felt they could vote FOR someone rather than against someone?
 
So he’s fed up with divisiveness and identity politics and somehow believes throwing his hat in with Trump’s GOP is the answer?

Lol. Seems legit.

More fake #walkaway agitprop.
 
So he’s fed up with divisiveness and identity politics and somehow believes throwing his hat in with Trump’s GOP is the answer?

Lol. Seems legit.

More fake #walkaway agitprop.

I don't think that is what he said, he said "moderate" independent or if so Republican.


Tim-
 
Jack Kennedy, 1961 -
...

We observe today not a victory of party but a celebration of freedom--symbolizing an end as well as a beginning--signifying renewal as well as change. For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our forebears prescribed nearly a century and three-quarters ago.

The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.

We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans--born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage--and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.

...

And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country.

My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

...

Obama 2009 -
...

But we have always understood that when times change, so must we; that fidelity to our founding principles requires new responses to new challenges; that preserving our individual freedoms ultimately requires collective action. For the American people can no more meet the demands of today’s world by acting alone than American soldiers could have met the forces of fascism or communism with muskets and militias. No single person can train all the math and science teachers we’ll need to equip our children for the future, or build the roads and networks and research labs that will bring new jobs and businesses to our shores. Now, more than ever, we must do these things together, as one nation and one people.

...

For we, the people, understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well and a growing many barely make it. (Applause.) We believe that America’s prosperity must rest upon the broad shoulders of a rising middle class. We know that America thrives when every person can find independence and pride in their work; when the wages of honest labor liberate families from the brink of hardship. We are true to our creed when a little girl born into the bleakest poverty knows that she has the same chance to succeed as anybody else, because she is an American; she is free, and she is equal, not just in the eyes of God but also in our own.

...

We, the people, declare today that the most evident of truths –- that all of us are created equal –- is the star that guides us still; just as it guided our forebears through Seneca Falls, and Selma, and Stonewall; just as it guided all those men and women, sung and unsung, who left footprints along this great Mall, to hear a preacher say that we cannot walk alone; to hear a King proclaim that our individual freedom is inextricably bound to the freedom of every soul on Earth. (Applause.)

It is now our generation’s task to carry on what those pioneers began. For our journey is not complete until our wives, our mothers and daughters can earn a living equal to their efforts. (Applause.) Our journey is not complete until our gay brothers and sisters are treated like anyone else under the law –- (applause) -- for if we are truly created equal, then surely the love we commit to one another must be equal as well. (Applause.) Our journey is not complete until no citizen is forced to wait for hours to exercise the right to vote. (Applause.) Our journey is not complete until we find a better way to welcome the striving, hopeful immigrants who still see America as a land of opportunity -- (applause) -- until bright young students and engineers are enlisted in our workforce rather than expelled from our country. (Applause.) Our journey is not complete until all our children, from the streets of Detroit to the hills of Appalachia, to the quiet lanes of Newtown, know that they are cared for and cherished and always safe from harm.
...

Kennedy asked us what we could do to to make ourselves great. Obama asked what we needed government to do to make us great.

Therein lies the difference.
 
So he’s fed up with divisiveness and identity politics and somehow believes throwing his hat in with Trump’s GOP is the answer?

Lol. Seems legit.

More fake #walkaway agitprop.

yeah....you keep your head in the sand there. Ignore a problem long enough and it will go away.....right?
 
Why not vote independent. Both of the top 2 political parties are pretty much the same, with minor cosmetic differences.
 
I don't think that is what he said, he said "moderate" independent or if so Republican.


Tim-

Any vote for a Republican is a vote for Trump so stop the nonsense. I also got a kick out of the OP it was the stupidest rant I ever heard. It sounds like he is afflicted with dementia. I think they comprise most of Trumps staunchest supporters.
 
Ignore a problem long enough and it will go away.....right?
I wouldn’t call this fake chain e-mail a “problem,” but I do imagine that it will go away (at least as far as I’m concerned) if I ignore it.
 
Part II...



Not sure I agree with all of it, but it does confirm what I've ben saying about my Jewish friends and other more moderate dims I hang with..

Good luck Democrats, you've lost your way for sure!

Tim-

There are no more moderate republicans.

/thread.
 
Why not vote independent. Both of the top 2 political parties are pretty much the same, with minor cosmetic differences.

I would normally agree with you, pre circa 2008, but Obama's Presidency changed all that, IMO.

Republican's are no angels, but what the dems have become is far worse, IMO. Plus I think he nails it by identifying that these other political parties, namely socialist, fascists, and communist used to have their own party, and now fit quite comfortably in with the dems.. That is very true, IMO.

Tim-
 
I don't think that is what he said, he said "moderate" independent or if so Republican.


Tim-
Assuming “he” lives in a district or state with a “moderate” on the ballot, surely he realizes there’s nothing moderate about leaving Trump unchecked.
 
So he’s fed up with divisiveness and identity politics and somehow believes throwing his hat in with Trump’s GOP is the answer?

Lol. Seems legit.

More fake #walkaway agitprop.

What does the modern GOP stand for if not white identity politics?
 
Yeah, anecdotes!
 
What does the modern GOP stand for if not white identity politics?

So every other group gets to play the identity politics game except for white males? How come?
 
Part II...



Not sure I agree with all of it, but it does confirm what I've ben saying about my Jewish friends and other more moderate dims I hang with..

Good luck Democrats, you've lost your way for sure!

Tim-

great piece....

and a LOT of republicans better read it too

they also have gone over to the deep end of the pool....and arent thinking very clearly

how i long for the days of moderates actually reaching across the aisle and WORKING with each other....

i wonder if there is any possibility of getting back to those kind of days

i have seen enough legislation through EO's to last my lifetime....how about we actually make congress work for a living again
 
Part II...



Not sure I agree with all of it, but it does confirm what I've ben saying about my Jewish friends and other more moderate dims I hang with..

Good luck Democrats, you've lost your way for sure!

Tim-

Anyone who has a hard time writing a lengthy diatribe about the problems plaguing either of the parties is either someone who doesn't follow politics and has been under a rock or a retard wearing laughably oversized and absurd political blinders. And if you only focus on the faults of any one single party then it would be very very easy to suggest that you someone should vote for the other party. For that reason I'm always very weary of the "our party has lost it's way" type diatribes. Of course sometimes that type of phrase can lead to a thoughtful and well stated opinion that should invite some genuine curiosity that can be hard to find in political debates. This letter doesn't strike me as such.

For example:
"I used to remember when we applauded free speech, a right to privacy, and property, and I remember when we Democrats actually cared about the working poor, and middle America!"

He gives no actual reasons that we should all assume that democrats don't applaud free speech, a right to privacy etc. No doubt you can find examples of democrats who probably don't respect these rights enough, just as you could easily do on the right. But he gives no mention of actual policy stances widely held by democrats that actually go against these rights. No real tangible way that democrats have done anything to even slightly hinder these rights. It seems much more like he's used them simply as buzzwords that are guaranteed to get likes or shares on facebook or something like that. To put it another way, if I was trying to write a letter that will go viral on facebook by people that barely read it I'd have written something extremely similar but slightly shorter. If I was writing something that was actually intended to try to make a sensible and rational argument to someone who I felt held similar political beliefs to I but is misguided on some core tenants or which is contrary to such fundamental personal rights such as freedom of speech etc, I'd right something that doesn't resemble this letter at all. I'd give examples of actions or arguments from the person/group that are problematic. I'd explain why they are problematic. I'd try to explain the consequences of such actions or arguments etc.

There are some talking points that he says with which I agree with. But it doesn't really bring it home. It's simply a restatement of already well-recited talking points with no new arguments or even old but convincing arguments.
 
This from one of my Jewish Friends here in Rochester, NY.



Part II to follow:


I only vote for who I feel is best for the job, I usually do not care what party they are in. The exception is if one party has to much power. Then I vote accordingly.
 
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