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What's Conservative About Capitalism

OscarLevant said:
One of the biggest exploiters of labor is China, with it's massive sweat shops, workings working 6 12 hour days, whose wages allow for living 8 people in a single room, etc.
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And American companies hire that labor.
 
phattonez said:
And that's a good thing. The conservatism of Buckley accomplished nothing.
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whereas the tea party know nothing conservatism of today is destroying the country.
 
phattonez said:
And that's a good thing. The conservatism of Buckley accomplished nothing.
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While I would agree with that point of view, thing is, it was the correct polar opposite to modern liberalism, i.e., easier to oppose.

Today's right is a slow march to fascism, which, today, it seems, is making incremental progress owing to the collective stupidity of certain masses who are predisposed to fall for such things, a kind of fabian fascism which all citizens must oppose by anyone claiming to be a patriot, with all deliberate speed.
 
haymarket said:
whereas the tea party know nothing conservatism of today is destroying the country.
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The Tea Party is absolutely right about high taxes and the bailing out of banks. However, they need to focus on big business as that's the most powerful enemy.
 
OscarLevant said:
While I would agree with that point of view, thing is, it was the correct polar opposite to modern liberalism, i.e., easier to oppose.

Today's right is a slow march to fascism, which, today, it seems, is making incremental progress owing to the collective stupidity of certain masses who are predisposed to fall for such things, a kind of fabian fascism which all citizens must oppose by anyone claiming to be a patriot, with all deliberate speed.
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As you know we disagree vehemently when it comes to social issues. I really don't mind a return to conservative social values. Where we agree is more on economic policies, though I'm coming more from a stance of opposition to unearned income and usury, whereas I'm not as sure what your motivation is.
 
phattonez said:
The Tea Party is absolutely right about high taxes and the bailing out of banks. However, they need to focus on big business as that's the most powerful enemy.
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If they were rational people - they might do as you suggest.
 
haymarket said:
If they were rational people - they might do as you suggest.
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Decades of propaganda have a way of making people act for the interest of others while believing they're acting in their own self-interest.
 
phattonez said:
As you know we disagree vehemently when it comes to social issues. I really don't mind a return to conservative social values. Where we agree is more on economic policies, though I'm coming more from a stance of opposition to unearned income and usury, whereas I'm not as sure what your motivation is.
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I will agree that unearned income and usury should be taxed mightily as well as the estate tax reinstated.

My motivation is simple to promote progressivism Progressive values and get like-minded people elected, especially women

I tend towards libertarianism on select things such as drugs prostitution and foreign policy.
 
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OscarLevant said:
False. Think about why humans felt the need to ascribe a term to a concept. Think about it.


True. But the subject begs for qualification.

your logic, to me, in one respect, is correct, but in another, it reflects flawed libertarian thinking.

If a poor man with his last 1000 dollars pays a prostitute, it's not exploitation, per se, but the dude is a fool.

See, exploitation occurs when workers are paid so little they cannot live, and have few alternate choices for employment given their circumstance. It doesn't really apply to the prostitute model you present. Surely he can easily find a better deal on another block, which is usually the case.

For someone with $10,000, $100K now that person is no longer a poor man, is he?

Exploitation only has moral significance when applied to the disadvantaged, in employer/worker models in an extended fashion, not the privileged. And NOT in the single transaction mercantile model.

Where exploitation in markets does occur is with monopolies, which is why they are ( supposed to be ) illegal ( though antitrust laws these days are quite lax ).

THere might be other circumstances, as I have only given this a cursory examination.
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if a person has two choices, work for a low wage or starve, the low wage seems to be the best option.

if an investor has a choice of where to invest he would logically choose a place where he had a surplus of labor, but then with low wages there is no market. Then he can be exploited by freight companies. The notion then of exploitation has to do with choice and mobility.

government action which limits options for workers and investors then are the ones responsible for exploitation and oppression. obvious simplification, but markets work the imbalances out and there are very few monopolies other than government.
 
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