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Blue Wave?

Case in point... I'm pretty sure Perotista is a conservative Democrat - try asking him who he'd vote for in a three-way race between Trump, Warren and Kasich.

I guarantee he would say Kasich. Between those 3 Kasich is the best, even if I don't agree with everything he believes in.
 
Exactly... and that's how the Republicans get votes if Trump bolts the party. They become a centrist party.

If Trump bolts the party and takes the 30%-35% of the GOP voters who always support him no matter what, that would severely damage the GOP's chances in future national elections for years to come. As much as I loathe the modern day GOP, I don't want one party rule. One party rule is absolute disaster, just look what we have been witnessing since January 20th 2017.
 
They'd have the establishment and loyal Republicans.... plus, it would free them to tailor their message to appeal directly to independents and conservative Democrats.

And then we may see a repeat of the 1912 election, with the Republican Party spliting votes along ideological lines and a United Democratic Party winning handidly
 
If Trump bolts the party and takes the 30%-35% of the GOP voters who always support him no matter what, that would severely damage the GOP's chances in future national elections for years to come. As much as I loathe the modern day GOP, I don't want one party rule. One party rule is absolute disaster, just look what we have been witnessing since January 20th 2017.

How much do you figure that matters to Trump? He's got a base that would support him even if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue. Most of them, I'm sure, would support him if they were the one getting shot. All that matters to him is finding a way to leverage that support into a second term... and the only way to potentially do that is to force the election into the House.
 
And then we may see a repeat of the 1912 election, with the Republican Party spliting votes along ideological lines and a United Democratic Party winning handidly

Perhaps... if Warren was as good a candidate as Wilson... and Kasich was as inept as Taft.
 
You've said above that Trump has done nothing to expand his base. Isn't that what he's trying to do with the rallies he's holding? (I know he's showing up in various states to support various candidates, but doesn't this benefit him as well?)

By expanding his base or shall I call it those who support him, his best chance was among independents. Republicans show up at rallies. What in my opinion he should have been doing isn't just playing towards his republican base of support. But also tried to add support among independents. Neither party can win elections without the support of independents. It was independents that put Trump into the White House, he won them 46-42 over Hillary with 12% voting third party.

Since then Trump hasn't reached out to them. It's like he is satisfied with his Republican base and doesn't or didn't care about the rest. End of January 2017, Trump had the support of 43% of independents, 41% viewed him unfavorably. Just about the same as the number of independents who voted for him in November. But the important thing was Trump was in the positive among independents. Question 125

http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/pyonz5d0lq/econTabReport.pdf

Basically almost two years of ignoring them, now only 38% view him favorably, 51% unfavorably. Question 52A

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/9th9okzc75/econTabReport.pdf

This ignored group is why we're talking about a blue wave. Obama ignored them in his first two years, played only to his Democratic base and lost 63 seats in the house. Obama actually went against the wants and wishes of independents with the ACA, independents had their payback.
 
How much do you figure that matters to Trump? He's got a base that would support him even if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue. Most of them, I'm sure, would support him if they were the one getting shot. All that matters to him is finding a way to leverage that support into a second term... and the only way to potentially do that is to force the election into the House.

Can't you just see one of them in his hospital bed on Fox news saying how he's sure the president meant well by shooting him?:lamo

They sure are a loony bunch, and oddly they really don't see it, and many believe they compose some kind of poorly educated, dumbass, silent majority.:roll::lamo:2rofll:
 
No need to get emotional. It doesn't matter who is in office. The Dems gain nothing by working with the President. Welcome to the current political climate.

It's not emotional, it's obvious, the man is in way over his head. I know many of you guys that like him like to think he has some grand trade strategy, it's plainly evident he doesn't know **** about what he's doing and we're gonna suffer for that till we get someone competent who can maybe undo the damage. Thing is, much like the credit downgrade, the rest of the world isn't gonna forget Trump. They see him for the idiot he is, but they also rightly fear what could happen once could happen again. The damage he is doing with our allies and on Trade could have far reaching effects.

So y'all got the damn libruls, yay you. I promise, the aftermath will not be worth it.
 
It's not emotional, it's obvious, the man is in way over his head. I know many of you guys that like him like to think he has some grand trade strategy, it's plainly evident he doesn't know **** about what he's doing and we're gonna suffer for that till we get someone competent who can maybe undo the damage. Thing is, much like the credit downgrade, the rest of the world isn't gonna forget Trump. They see him for the idiot he is, but they also rightly fear what could happen once could happen again. The damage he is doing with our allies and on Trade could have far reaching effects.

So y'all got the damn libruls, yay you. I promise, the aftermath will not be worth it.
Well I don't think this has anything to do with what I've said, but I'm glad you were able to vent your frustrations.
 
Can't you just see one of them in his hospital bed on Fox news saying how he's sure the president meant well by shooting him?:lamo

They sure are a loony bunch, and oddly they really don't see it, and many believe they compose some kind of poorly educated, dumbass, silent majority.:roll::lamo:2rofll:

Truth be told, they scare the bejeezus out of me. I look at the crowds at those Trump rallies and a lot of the people have the same expressions you see in those films of the Nuremberg rallies. I'm not saying Trump is a Hitler or anything like that.... he's way too incompetent to be Hitler. But those crowds aren't going away... so what about if the next Trump isn't such an idiot?

I used to think our commitment to democratic values was iron-clad.... now I'm getting to the point where I think it's almost a veneer.
 
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