[W:305]Why should I believe Dr. Ford?

Re: Why should I believe Dr. Ford?

Having a attempted rape with a 15 year old woman, at a teenage party were there are drinking, and attempted rape bye a number of men. She talked to a mental health professional back in 2013 and used his name.

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holbritter said:

No it didn't. He said that the 200+ women you claimed supporting her, did not know her personally. The 60 women on Kavanaugh's side personally knew him.

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Strange you bring that up. It was only used after she brought up his name. If she stayed silent, those 65 women would have never been brought up. They must have know Dr Ford was out there and they needed woman to give him cover during high school.

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Grim17 said:

This latest bit of news won't help you to believe her:



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Lending still more credence to the conclusion that this is all a political play to delay the confirmation.

Seems even odds that she doesn't even testify on Thursday and asks for yet another delay.

At some point even the most patient's patience will have been exhausted at this, what appears to be politically motivated delays to the benefit of the Democrats.

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NeverTrumpGOP said:

No I don't think it looks suspicious at all. If she was out two weeks before spouting all types of theories like all you on the right are doing now. Then yes, I would think that's suspicious, but she hasn't even given an interview to any major media organization. No Television news network and she doesn't have any social media that I am aware of. In fact, it looks exactly like someone getting good solid legal advice. Someone who thought carefully about their options. Someone who ISN'T partisan. Maybe the name sparked something in her once she heard about his confirmation. Remember, not everyone follows this stuff as closely as we do. In my mind, she still sounds traumatized. She didn't want this to be turned into creepy circus of old white guys telling her what she should do. And that's exactly what it's turning out to be. Yet she still is holding her ground. Doing no interviews until the testimony on Thursday. That takes courage in this day and age.

This is in stark contrast compared to say, the Stormy Daniels strategy. The same people criticizing Dr. Ford were criticizing Stormy Daniels for being an attention whore who was being exploited by her lawyer. With ideas like that being spread, no wonder women feel like they can't win in this country.

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https://www.weeklystandard.com/john...ss-denies-ever-attending-party-with-kavanaugh
Christine Blasey Ford has claimed that four other people attended a small gathering at which she was allegedly assaulted by Brett Kavanaugh. Three of those people, PJ Smyth, Mark Judge, and Kavanaugh, have already denied any recollection of attending such a party.

On Saturday night, Leland Ingham Keyser, a classmate of Ford's at the all-girls school Holton-Arms and her final named witness, denied any recollection of attending a party with Brett Kavanaugh.

"Simply put, Ms. Keyser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford," lawyer Howard J. Walsh said in a statement sent to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

CNN reports that " Keyser is a lifelong friend of Ford's."

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Maybe it's hard to believe someone who tells a tale no one, not even a life long friend will agree happened (a party let alone sexual assault)

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DiAnna said:

I don't know what happened. I want to hear Kavanaugh's testimony; I want to hear Ford's testimony.

But I also want the FBI to interview all relevant potential witnesses, which has until this case always been what the FBI does when new information comes to light, and I want to hear from all corroborating witnesses on both sides. The Judicial Committee will not allow that, so the public will not have all the available information on which to make their own informed opinions.

I will say this; I utterly hate the way this committee has conducted itself in all aspects of the rushed, unprecedented confirmation process in which tens of thousands of relevant documents about Kavanaugh's records have been summarily ignored and not produced.

Also, I find it difficult to believe that a successful professional woman would risk the destruction of not only her own reputation, but the safety of her family, becoming a scorned footnote forever etched in political history, if she did not completely, utterly believe that her recollection of what happened to her and the emotional fear/trauma she suffered was not categorically and completely real.

Yes, I want to hear both stories; I also want both parties to have the opportunity to bring forth corroborative and exculpatory evidence and let the public judge for themselves.

It's a shame that won't happen.

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Please...tell us what evidence exists

Be happy to see it and examine it

So far all we have is a letter...nothing more....and an accuser who keeps trying to delay proceedings and set her own rules

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Kal'Stang said:

It's all he's got left. I countered him each and every single time and he knows it. At this point in time (who knows, it might change) there is no reason to believe Ms. Ford over Kavanaugh. But there are reasons to believe Kavanaugh over Ms. Ford.

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Yeah, but you see, you've just got to feel to believe her over him.

This entire thing isn't about facts, and yet, here you are arguing about facts, well, kudos to you on that one. You've argued them very well. :thumbs:

But this entire thing is a political play by the Dems, political gamesmanship, to delay the nomination, to further their narrative that men are evil and only women are good. :roll:

So, really, facts are irrelevant to the Dems, and need not apply in this instance.
Neither are the principals of the US legal system, apparently, that the accuser needs to prove their case, as well as the defendant has a right to face their accuser.

This has gone from ridiculous into a typically leftist, PC, SJW sublime insanity.

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NeverTrumpGOP said:

OMG you aren't even listening to Dr. Ford at this point, since she said she has not talked to this friend about the incident. And no one else has therapy notes or lie detector tests. Both pieces of evidence which I would say are more important than verbal testimony or at least helps Dr. Ford's story more so than the others.

In fact, Mark Judge has a whole memoir dedicated to the Fast Times at Georgetown Prep but claims he was blacked out. Kavanaugh thinks he wasn't there and that Dr. Ford doesn't remember correctly...

FYI Everyone else actually has a worse defense than Dr. Ford...

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Those aren’t pieces of evidence

Lie detectors can be fooled...hence inadmissible

Notes from marriage counseling is hearsay evidence...not sworn testimony

So once again....what does Dr Ford have....we are waiting....

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Atheist 2020 said:

Having a attempted rape with a 15 year old woman, at a teenage party were there are drinking, and attempted rape bye a number of men. She talked to a mental health professional back in 2013 and used his name.

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Aside a partisan democrat political activists claim, that she was the victim of an attempted sexual assault at some point in high school, what actual evidence is there?

All 4 named people at the party by the victim have said "Nope, didn't happen"(the party) and one who was named as being a participant in the room at the time said "Nope, didn't happen".

You say when she was 15 based on what? Not her testimony because she cannot place the date or time this happened.

You can't say where because she cannot.

You can't say how she got there, or got home.

There is no one stepping forward saying "I was told that this happened" of her circle of friends or family at the time.

In 2012 Judge Kavanaugh was first mentioned as a possible ROMNEY Scotus pick, that same year she finally "told someone" about this horrific terrible event. A tale that does not match her current story and she blames her trained therapist for the error.

Basically, it would be like if I went to the police and told them at some time between 89-91 I was raped and sexually abused by 4 males, (which I was btw) but I couldn't tell them where, when, who all was involved, why we were there or what we were doing. If all I could recall was one persons name, and everyone else who knew me at the time said "It didn't happen" the police wouldn't be able to do **** with it.

(I can in fact name names, times, place, why we were there, and contemporary persons, police report and all the other information but that is because I didn't wait 30+years to tell a therapist)

That's why I don't believe her. She has a motive, political, to hurt Judge Kavanaugh's chance of being on the SCOTUS and she doesn't have **** for viable testimony or evidence to her claims this occurred.

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Atheist 2020 said:

Having a attempted rape with a 15 year old woman, at a teenage party were there are drinking, and attempted rape bye a number of men. She talked to a mental health professional back in 2013 and used his name.

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what in God's name does this have to do with reality? No she did not use his name-according to the notes.

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NeverTrumpGOP said:

OMG you aren't even listening to Dr. Ford at this point, since she said she has not talked to this friend about the incident. And no one else has therapy notes or lie detector tests. Both pieces of evidence which I would say are more important than verbal testimony or at least helps Dr. Ford's story more so than the others.

In fact, Mark Judge has a whole memoir dedicated to the Fast Times at Georgetown Prep but claims he was blacked out. Kavanaugh thinks he wasn't there and that Dr. Ford doesn't remember correctly...

FYI Everyone else actually has a worse defense than Dr. Ford...

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Both of those are simply the words of Ford being recorded and nobody has seen them either of them in their entirety. Asserting that everyone has a worse 'defense' than Ford ignores that only Ford has made the allegation of the criminal event in question. What 'defense' could one possibly offer for an event that they say that they never experienced?

If I were to assert that you had sex with small woodland creatures near your home then what could you possibly reply other than "that never happened" or "I don't remember having ever done that"? You can't say "I was in Detroit at that time" because I never specified a time or place - thus no such alibi is possible.

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Kal'Stang said:

That would be nice. Along with the lie detector tests. I'd like to include the therapists notes also however doctor patient confidentiality rules there and I won't abridge that. Though I don't think it would hurt to get corroboration of how long Ms. Ford has been seeing her via a money trail.

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Id be opposed to the clinical notes. Billing records might be something else. But a persons clinical notes are to me damn near sacred.

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Renae said:

Aside a partisan democrat political activists claim, that she was the victim of an attempted sexual assault at some point in high school, what actual evidence is there?

All 4 named people at the party by the victim have said "Nope, didn't happen"(the party) and one who was named as being a participant in the room at the time said "Nope, didn't happen".

You say when she was 15 based on what? Not her testimony because she cannot place the date or time this happened.

You can't say where because she cannot.

You can't say how she got there, or got home.

There is no one stepping forward saying "I was told that this happened" of her circle of friends or family at the time.

In 2012 Judge Kavanaugh was first mentioned as a possible ROMNEY Scotus pick, that same year she finally "told someone" about this horrific terrible event. A tale that does not match her current story and she blames her trained therapist for the error.

Basically, it would be like if I went to the police and told them at some time between 89-91 I was raped and sexually abused by 4 males, (which I was btw) but I couldn't tell them where, when, who all was involved, why we were there or what we were doing. If all I could recall was one persons name, and everyone else who knew me at the time said "It didn't happen" the police wouldn't be able to do **** with it.

(I can in fact name names, times, place, why we were there, and contemporary persons, police report and all the other information but that is because I didn't wait 30+years to tell a therapist)

That's why I don't believe her. She has a motive, political, to hurt Judge Kavanaugh's chance of being on the SCOTUS and she doesn't have **** for viable testimony or evidence to her claims this occurred.

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Perfect response. :thumbs:

I also commend you for the courage to step up (if I read you correctly) at the time in an era of "she was asking for it" mentality and deal with those lowlifes who took advantage of you. :clap:

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VanceMack said:

Id be opposed to the clinical notes. Billing records might be something else. But a persons clinical notes are to me damn near sacred.

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I agree. Which is why I suggested following the money trail.

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Kal'Stang said:

Well? Why should I? She has provided absolutely no proof of her allegations. She's mentioned two other people that were there and both have denied it happened. She says she can't remember the house that it happened at. She can't remember when it happened. No one else has come out against Kavanaugh on this having actually happened or a separate instance of it happening. One woman says that she "heard a rumor" but has denied knowing if anything actually happened. She has repeatedly tried to stall the testimony hearing making ridiculous demands such as not allowing Kavanaugh in the room and demanding that he testify first. Demands which obviously are intended to simply push the date of the hearing back farther and farther.

And then there is the suspicious nature of when and how this was released. Her history was scrubbed. She took a lie detector test in July. Wrote and sent Feinstein a letter in July. Hired lawyers at the beginning of August. Yet...doesn't come out until AFTER the confirmation hearings are done and over with THIS month. Surely even the most partisan of partisans could admit that such looks suspicious.

So...why should I believe Ms. Ford?

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Personally, whether one believes Ford or not is irrelevant. The Democrats put themselves into this position when it comes to nominations by ex-majority leader, Senator Harry Reid first use of the nuclear option setting a precedence that allows any nomination to be confirmed with a majority vote. Old Chuckie Schumer stood right beside Reid clapping and jumping up and down as Reid first used the nuclear option.

Without Reid setting this precedence and his first use, it would have still taken 60 votes for cloture on any nomination. Gorsuch's confirmation and if Kavanaugh gets confirmed, Reid should get all the credit. The democrats wouldn't have to resort to digging up things someone had or hadn't done as a teenager. The Democrats destroyed minority party rights and as far as I'm concerned, watching them wiggle, scream, resort to throwing unfounded accusations and the like in the minority is their just reward.

The problem now is that any party in the future, thanks to Reid, that has the presidency and controls the senate can nominated and get confirmed all sorts of extremist, wackos, from the fringes of the far left and or right as they want. Moderation and substance are gone, passe, history, all thanks to Reid.

Re: Why should I believe Dr. Ford?

Atheist 2020 said:

Having a attempted rape with a 15 year old woman, at a teenage party were there are drinking, and attempted rape bye a number of men. She talked to a mental health professional back in 2013 and used his name.

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Corrections:

15 year old girl. 17 year old boys.

And the mental health professional cannot back up that Kavanaugh's name was used. As such it is just a claim, not evidence.

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Atheist 2020 said:

Strange you bring that up. It was only used after she brought up his name. If she stayed silent, those 65 women would have never been brought up. They must have know Dr Ford was out there and they needed woman to give him cover during high school.

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Of course it was used after she brought up his name. Why would either the 60+ women or the 200+ women say something before she brought up his name? Your post makes no sense.

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On lie detectors...a couple of things.

1-They ARE unreliable, hence inadmissible
2-They can be EASILY skewed by a friendly administrator. If we are going to talk about 'lie detectors' then a lie detector should be administered to BOTH parties by a neutral thrid party and not one that has been paid by a subjects lawyer to administer a test.
3-It is entirely possible that no one is 'lying'. Especially given the time frame involved. It isnt just 'common'...its 'normal' for our brain to reconcile fantasies with realities. Think about it...have you ever been to a family gathering where one individual starts talking about a shared experience and the others present offer a COMPLETELY different account of the circumstance? The reality is people often make fantasy reality, especially where there is some sort of intrinsic motivation.

There are numerous cases where people have been wrongfully convicted based on intentional lies. There are are also many cases where people present what they believe is the truth ("their truth") which is a lie.

At the end of the day, unless there is some form of corroboration this will come down to he said she said...or rather she said, and everyone else said they don't know what she is talking about. The reality is that based on their political motivations, most people have already made up their mind. That's corrupt.

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Captain Adverse said:

Perfect response. :thumbs:

I also commend you for the courage to step up (if I read you correctly) at the time in an era of "she was asking for it" mentality and deal with those lowlifes who took advantage of you. :clap:

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Trust me, it was a dark time in my life. I'll stand with anyone who is a victim of sexual assault, and against anyone that committed such a heinous act. I will not blindly back an accusation or admission of innocence without reason. Ford's story is greatly lacking.

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gdgyva said:

So just because then, right?

:shock:

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I think Parrish answered this in another thread when she said, "Kav had a 17 y/o penis. What more proof do we need?"

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Atheist 2020 said:

Strange you bring that up. It was only used after she brought up his name. If she stayed silent, those 65 women would have never been brought up. They must have know Dr Ford was out there and they needed woman to give him cover during high school.

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That's not how it happened.

Women who organized and signed it say it was a rapid response by a social network that endures decades after they graduated. They say it was easy to mobilize: a chain of friends calling, texting and emailing friends from a Washington-area world where many still live and see each other.

https://www.apnews.com/1f7e47de5ce340f7b4cab8e92ef91cf0

Re: Why should I believe Dr. Ford?

Kal'Stang said:

Well? Why should I? She has provided absolutely no proof of her allegations. She's mentioned two other people that were there and both have denied it happened. She says she can't remember the house that it happened at. She can't remember when it happened. No one else has come out against Kavanaugh on this having actually happened or a separate instance of it happening. One woman says that she "heard a rumor" but has denied knowing if anything actually happened. She has repeatedly tried to stall the testimony hearing making ridiculous demands such as not allowing Kavanaugh in the room and demanding that he testify first. Demands which obviously are intended to simply push the date of the hearing back farther and farther.

And then there is the suspicious nature of when and how this was released. Her history was scrubbed. She took a lie detector test in July. Wrote and sent Feinstein a letter in July. Hired lawyers at the beginning of August. Yet...doesn't come out until AFTER the confirmation hearings are done and over with THIS month. Surely even the most partisan of partisans could admit that such looks suspicious.

So...why should I believe Ms. Ford?

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Since your post makes it abundantly clear that you view this through the lens of trying to stop a Republican Supreme Court nominee, anyone would be foolish to try to convince you that Ford should be believed, because it's not the matter of Ford's accusation that concerns you.

Why should I believe Dr. Ford?

ttwtt78640 said:

Both of those are simply the words of Ford being recorded and nobody has seen them either of them in their entirety. Asserting that everyone has a worse 'defense' than Ford ignores that only Ford has made the allegation of the criminal event in question. What 'defense' could one possibly offer for an event that they say that they never experienced?

If I were to assert that you had sex with small woodland creatures near your home then what could you possibly reply other than "that never happened" or "I don't remember having ever done that"? You can't say "I was in Detroit at that time" because I never specified a time or place - thus no such alibi is possible.

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I don't think she's lying about the story and the evidence. Simple as that. Funny those that are so critical of Dr. Ford are the same people who believe every single damn right wing conspiracy theory that's out there and were suspicious of the country's first black president for years. If she's making a tall tale I thought you guys would like it .


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Kal'Stang said:

You're right. It doesn't. No one has stepped up to corroborate Ms. Ford, yet 3 named people have stepped up for Kavanaugh.

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And Kavanaugh, unlike Ford--or at least her attorneys--is eager to testify too and defend himself.

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Kal'Stang said:

Of course it was used after she brought up his name. Why would either the 60+ women or the 200+ women say something before she brought up his name? Your post makes no sense.

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The 60 women were ready directly after he was named. Like less than 12 hours. The 200 women took a few days.


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Re: Why should I believe Dr. Ford?

Kal'Stang said:

Well? Why should I? She has provided absolutely no proof of her allegations. She's mentioned two other people that were there and both have denied it happened. She says she can't remember the house that it happened at. She can't remember when it happened. No one else has come out against Kavanaugh on this having actually happened or a separate instance of it happening. One woman says that she "heard a rumor" but has denied knowing if anything actually happened. She has repeatedly tried to stall the testimony hearing making ridiculous demands such as not allowing Kavanaugh in the room and demanding that he testify first. Demands which obviously are intended to simply push the date of the hearing back farther and farther.

And then there is the suspicious nature of when and how this was released. Her history was scrubbed. She took a lie detector test in July. Wrote and sent Feinstein a letter in July. Hired lawyers at the beginning of August. Yet...doesn't come out until AFTER the confirmation hearings are done and over with THIS month. Surely even the most partisan of partisans could admit that such looks suspicious.

So...why should I believe Ms. Ford?

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Because women and liberals should stand together to stop the nomination of someone they think may overturn RvW, whether the allegations are true or not. The end justifies the means. The MeToo movement has now become an instrument to take down someone or further an agenda on mere accusations alone. Proof is not necessary.