[W:305]Why should I believe Dr. Ford?

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ultmd said:

The OP asks the same question that every conservative white guy in the country seems to be asking.....which is the wrong question.

The real question is: Can you give ONE legitimate reason why such a serious allegation (and now others like it) does NOT merit investigation by the FBI (and NOT simply by Republican staffers in the Senate)?

Quite honestly, no one expects Trump supporters to "believe" Dr. (not Ms.) Ford's allegations, because no one expects Trump supporters to exhibit any sense of ethical standards. If Trump and his supporters had any sense of ethics, they would have already called for (and ordered) the FBI to reopen it's background investigation to look into the new allegations.

And the merits of the rest of the comments, above, dubious (at best). Dr. Ford's "history" hasn't been "scrubbed"...she reportedly passed the lie detector examination...and the timing of this incident (with respect to the confirmation hearing itself) is TOTALLY irrelevant. All that matters is that the allegations merit investigation under penalty of perjury (for ALL parties involved), ASAP.

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Bold: Yep. The FBI does not investigate State Crimes. That you obviously do not accept this does not mean it is not valid. The proper authority to conduct the investigation is the police in the area in which these acts supposedly happened. Why hasn't Ms. Ford (and Ms. is valid to say and just as respectful) contacted them and filed a report? Even the women that accused Trump of sexual assault did that.

And yes, Ms. Ford wiped all of her social media accounts. IE: Scrubbed. And as has been said multiple times in this thread, lie detectors are highly unreliable. So much so they're not allowed in any courtroom in the entire US. Besides, no one has seen them.

And no, its not irrelevant. Sat on it for 2 months? Who the hell sits on a crime like this for 2 months?

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noonereal said:

Thank you for admitting you original position was not completely accurate. Few on these boards will do that.

We find out if she is credible by looking into the matter.
There is certainly no reason to rush to appoint.

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The confirmation has been held back for 2 weeks now. Waiting on Ms. Ford to testify. How is that rushed?

And I've never said that it has to do with legal standards.

Mach said:

I am leaning more toward finding her credible. Why? It seems her life changed after the alleged attack. Her grades went south and she later studied the subject.

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Grades went south? How do you know this? Her HS grades have not been released afaik. Got a link handy to show this? And that she is a clinical psychology professor is irrelevant.

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She has no idea when or where it happened so, no, she isn't credible. All the delaying is simply an attempt to permanently postpone a confirmation vote. It has nothing to do with Ford. Every consideration has been made to her including having her testify privately in CA. It's obvious what this is all about.

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Mr Person said:

What does this post have to do with the thread or my post about the thread?

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:lamo

Seriously dood...the obsession thing...maybe this will help....

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holbritter said:

No it didn't. He said that the 200+ women you claimed supporting her, did not know her personally. The 60 women on Kavanaugh's side personally knew him.

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A group of 140 of Ms Fords friends and neighbors from the Bay Area sent a letter to to US senators.

From the following:

A group of Ford's friends sent their own letter Wednesday to Sens. Charles Grassley and Dianne Feinstein, the Senate Judiciary Committee's Republican chairman and Democratic ranking member, respectively. In the letter, they testify to her character as an involved mother, thoughtful mentor and a brave woman who has "endured a lot."

"But, her experiences have left her with a firm grasp on what is most important in life -- integrity, community and care for others -- and we have all, at one time or another, benefited from that wisdom," the letter reads.

Jamie Barnett, a Palo Alto mother whose son played on the same basketball team as Ford's, is one of about 140 people from around the Bay Area who signed the friends' letter. Barnett told the Weekly that she added her name to "show her (Ford) as well as to show the Senate Judiciary Committee and essentially the world that we are standing very staunchly with Dr. Ford."

"We trust her," she added. "We believe her."

Barnett described Ford as a caring community member and "no-nonsense person."

"It's my strong view that she is not doing this to create drama or be a political operative or any such thing," Barnett said. "I think what you see is what you get with her."

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Read more:

https://www.paloaltoonline.com/news...ugh-accuser-we-are-here-and-we-have-your-back

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minnie616 said:

A group of 140 of Ms Fords friends and neighbors from the Bay Area sent a letter to to US senators.

From the following:



Read more:

https://www.paloaltoonline.com/news...ugh-accuser-we-are-here-and-we-have-your-back

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How many of them were her friends in MD during high school years? Those 60 women on Kavanaugh's side knew him from his high school years. That Ms. Ford has been active in her community and has done good is not in dispute. Kavanaugh also has been active in his community and has done good also. Serving meals to the homeless, tutoring, and coaching.

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Kal'Stang said:

How many of them were her friends in MD during high school years? Those 60 women on Kavanaugh's side knew him from his high school years. That Ms. Ford has been active in her community and has done good is not in dispute. Kavanaugh also has been active in his community and has done good also. Serving meals to the homeless, tutoring, and coaching.

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The question was why believe Ms Ford? The claims were she is telling lies for political reasons.

Did you read about the woman who signed letter for Kavenagh is now saying his yearbook revelation was hurtful to her?

Woman who signed letter supporting Kavanaugh calls yearbook revelation 'hurtful'

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/24/poli...anaugh-renate-high-school-yearbook/index.html

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minnie616 said:

The question was why believe Ms Ford? The claims were she is telling lies for political reasons.

Did you read about the woman who signed letter for Kavenagh is now saying his yearbook revelation was hurtful to her?

Woman who signed letter supporting Kavanaugh calls yearbook revelation 'hurtful'

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/24/poli...anaugh-renate-high-school-yearbook/index.html

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Yes, I know what the question of the thread is. Nothing you provided gives me any reason to believe those 140 women over the 60 that were there with Kavanaugh during high school. And yes, I know about the yearbook revelation. How does that change anything? Instead of 64 he now has 63?

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PoliSciXtina said:

Let me try to answer this. I was raped my first year of college. I did something stupid and allowed myself to hang out with some drunk dudes. I do not remember the exact date. I do not remember the exact location, just that it was in someone’s dorm room. I don’t even remember the guy’s last name, just his first name and who he was. I don’t even remember exactly who else was there, I can name one person confidently. I wanted to forget about the incident so badly and put it out of my thoughts. Subconsciously I let myself forget about all of those surrounding details. I remember the act of him raping me though, and I still have nightmares of it. This was about 13 years ago. So imagine 30 + years I can imagine her memory of the exact details is even more fuzzy. But I’m sure she remembers the exact man who TRIED to rape her (attempted rape is still a crime). So while many people don’t believe her and can’t even fathom that this happened to her, I have a similar story as her, and I don’t remember many of the details. So yes it’s possible she is telling the truth and she really was sexually assaulted.


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I am so sorry that happened to you. Too many girls/Women have stories very similar to yours. If they do not have their own story most have a loved one whom have been raped or sexually abused and most did not report it. They try to forget as much as they can but the details of the rape or sexual abuse ( who did it or what did he look like, how terrifying it was ) do not fade away.

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NeverTrumpGOP said:

Question? If the guy who raped you was running for some national well known position or was getting promoted as CEO or something and was making big news in national media reports. Do you think you could have remembered his last name? Because I think that's exactly what happened with Dr. Ford. Maybe she saw his picture as well and put two and two together.

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She said she knew Kavenaugh and Judge as a acquaintance before the party.

From Sunday September 16 Washington Post

At the time, Ford said, she knew Kavanaugh and Judge as “friendly acquaintances” in the private-school social circles of suburban Maryland. Her Holton-Arms friends mostly hung out with boys from the Landon School, she said, but for a period of several months socialized regularly with students from Georgetown Prep.
Ford said she does not remember how the gathering came together the night of the incident. She said she often spent time in the summer at the Columbia Country Club pool in Chevy Chase, where in those pre-cellphone days, teenagers learned about gatherings via word of mouth

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The Washington Post: California professor, writer of confidential Brett Kavanaugh letter, speaks out about her allegation of sexual assault

Re: Why should I believe Dr. Ford?

Kal'Stang said:

Bold: Yep. The FBI does not investigate State Crimes. That you obviously do not accept this does not mean it is not valid.

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I think you're conflating separate issues. No one has asked for a federal criminal investigation; nor does Kavanaugh's confirmation require one. Ford's heretofore unknown allegations should be investigated as part of the FBI's existing (and recently completed) background investigation of Kavanaugh, not as a federal criminal investigation. The request is simply for a re-opening of Kavanaugh's federal background check. Huge difference. So your response, above, does not qualify as a valid reason to NOT completely investigate all allegations against Kavanaugh before he is elevate to a lifetime position on the USSC.

The proper authority to conduct the investigation is the police in the area in which these acts supposedly happened.

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If Republicans ramrod Kavanaugh's nomination through the Senate without addressing these allegations, that's exactly what will happen, because the state of Maryland does not have a statute of limitations and both the local D.A. and the US Attorney for the region are already looking into it. Kavanaugh will then become the first USSC Justice to be under called before a grand jury. So Republicans should not let that happen. If the allegations are without merit and Ford (and others) are all lying.....they will have committed perjury and Kavanaugh will be vindicated. If the opposite is true, then Kavanaugh will RIGHTLY be prevented from becoming a USSC Justice (and, likely, will be removed from the federal bench as well). Either way, truth and justice win out....which means that America wins.

Why hasn't Ms. Ford (and Ms. is valid to say and just as respectful) contacted them and filed a report? Even the women that accused Trump of sexual assault did that.

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Well, first........"Ms" is NOT just as respectful. Her title is "Dr", not "Ms"...just as Kavanaugh's title is "Judge", not "Mr".

That said, the only person who can order the background check reopened is the POTUS. The FBI will only do it under his direct recommendation. So the question is....WHY doesn't Kavanaugh want that to happen? Why hasn't he asked, publicly for the FBI to clear his name? Innocent people don't behave this way. Ford is ASKING under penalty of perjury, for the FBI to investigate her claims. Again...HUGE difference between the two sides, there.

And yes, Ms. Ford wiped all of her social media accounts. IE: Scrubbed. And as has been said multiple times in this thread, lie detectors are highly unreliable. So much so they're not allowed in any courtroom in the entire US. Besides, no one has seen them.

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I don't know if she "scrubbed" her social media accounts; nor do I believe that to be of any relevance. But you're wrong. Lie Detectors are not perfect, but they are also not "highly unreliable". That's just a false statement. That said, it's very relevant that she has taken one and passed it. If Kavanaugh is not willing to do the same, it says something about his position. Look we already KNOW for a FACT that Kavanaugh has LIED on MULITIPLE occasions....UNDER OATH.....to the Senate in previous confirmation hearings. For some reason, you guys don't seem willing to acknowledge that FACT.

And no, its not irrelevant. Sat on it for 2 months? Who the hell sits on a crime like this for 2 months?

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Who cares? The only thing that matters is whether (or not) the allegations are true. The timing of them is TOTALLY irrelevant to the VERACITY of them. Explain to me why that matters, in your opinion.

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ultmd said:

I think

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So says the party line. Except that the FBI has already conducted 6 background investigations on Kavanaugh. Nothing ever turned up. If nothing turned up then by doing a background investigation why would something turn up now? The calling for the FBI to investigate this is nothing more than an attempt to make the FBI into a political tool. Ironically something that has been hollered about under Trump.

ultmd said:

If Republicans...

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These allegations are being addressed. By the confirmation committee.

And where have you heard that the local D.A. and the US attorney is already looking into these allegations? Last I heard the police over there have refused to look into it because Ms. Ford has to come to them and file a report before they can do an investigation. Something which she has not done. If they are that's great! That is who SHOULD be doing the investigation. Not the FBI.

ultmd said:

Well, first........"Ms" is NOT just as respectful. Her title is "Dr", not "Ms"...just as Kavanaugh's title is "Judge", not "Mr".

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Know what's funny here? You saying this and yet not once have you called Kavanaugh "Judge Kavanaugh" in your own post. Yet you want me to call Ms. Ford by her PHD title because YOU think its disrespectful to not do so. In addition you chastise me for saying "Ms. Ford" and yet you have not chastised me for not saying "Judge Kavanaugh".

I smell double standards being used here.

Like it or not, "Ms." IS a proper form of address and is considered as a respectful form of address whether you want to admit it or not.

ultmd said:

That said,

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Why should he? The onus is on his accusers to prove their claim. It is not his duty or obligation or anything else to provide for them the resources to further their aims. And not doing so is no more an indication of guilt than walking down the street is an indication of guilt for a murder 100 miles away.

ultmd said:

I don't..

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For detecting lies? Yes, they are. The Truth About Lie Detectors (aka Polygraph Tests)

ultmd said:

That said,

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Something else for you to read. Ex-FBI Agent Sounds Alarm on Kavanaugh Accuser’s Polygraph Test

And he has yet to be proven that he has lied. That whole email thing? What ever happened to that? Seems that those allegations have died down and no one is trying to prove them anymore. Any idea why?

ultmd said:

Who cares?

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Who cares? I do. If the Dems are just putting forth accusations over and over and over NEVER intending to actually prove those allegations then don't you think that such is an abuse of their positions of power? Yes yes, I know, Ms. Ford is supposedly going to testify. She's been intending to testify ever since the charges came out. Yet the date for her to testify keeps getting pushed back because she refuses based on "insert whatever slight here".

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Well, first........"Ms" is NOT just as respectful. Her title is "Dr", not "Ms"...just as Kavanaugh's title is "Judge", not "Mr". ...

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Kal'Stang said:

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Like it or not, "Ms." IS a proper form of address and is considered as a respectful form of address whether you want to admit it or not.
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I read that Christine Blasey Ford prefers to go by Dr. Blasey ( her professional name ) or Ms Ford her married name.

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