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If Trump stops the "witch hunt" what about those already convicted?

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Let say that trump stops the "witch hunt by firing Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller and the GOP ends the whole thing saying it was an illegal investigation. What should happen to all of those who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty of a crime? Should their convictions stand or should they be overturned or pardoned/ Can the Federal government stop the states from following up on what information given to them by the Feds, or will the GOP controlled SCOTUS take the info from them? What do you think?
 
independentusa said:
Let say that trump stops the "witch hunt by firing Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller and the GOP ends the whole thing saying it was an illegal investigation. What should happen to all of those who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty of a crime? Should their convictions stand or should they be overturned or pardoned/ Can the Federal government stop the states from following up on what information given to them by the Feds, or will the GOP controlled SCOTUS take the info from them? What do you think?
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Financial crimes form years ago...dunno. I would imagine that they would still stand up.
 
independentusa said:
Let say that trump stops the "witch hunt by firing Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller and the GOP ends the whole thing saying it was an illegal investigation. What should happen to all of those who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty of a crime? Should their convictions stand or should they be overturned or pardoned/ Can the Federal government stop the states from following up on what information given to them by the Feds, or will the GOP controlled SCOTUS take the info from them? What do you think?
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Can't speak for the other ones, but Manafort is screwed with his plea no matter what happens with Trump, sessions or Rosenstein. He has admitted to state crimes and even if Trump pardons him, the state will go after his admitted state crimes and lock him away.
 
Grokmaster said:
Financial crimes form years ago...dunno. I would imagine that they would still stand up.
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Care to show how ALL of them were financial crimes from years ago?
 
independentusa said:
Let say that trump stops the "witch hunt by firing Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller and the GOP ends the whole thing saying it was an illegal investigation. What should happen to all of those who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty of a crime? Should their convictions stand or should they be overturned or pardoned/ Can the Federal government stop the states from following up on what information given to them by the Feds, or will the GOP controlled SCOTUS take the info from them? What do you think?
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To me, the 'witch hunt' refers to finding evidence of collusion with Russia by Trump.

Trump and his supporters are still using the term because no evidence has yet to be made public that Mueller has found 'Collusion with Russia by Trump.' The term witch hunt is used by people that want to say there is no evidence of wrong doing associated with whatever the subject matter is, because a witch cannot be found because they don't exist, and so they are implying that no evidence of wrong doing can be found either, because like a witch, it doesn't exist.

However, at this point, even though there has been no evidence made public of Trump's collusion with Russia, Mueller has not made his report public and his investigation doesn't appear to be concluded yet. We'll know when he reports to Congress.

None of the guilty pleas or convictions so far have anything to do with Trump colluding with Russia to influence the 2016 Presidential election.

So the thread title takes two completely unrelated situations and inaccurately conflates them as if they are.

All that said, if the Mueller probe stops without any evidence of Trump colluding with Russia to influence the 2016 Presidential election, either ending early or ending upon completion of the investigation by Mueller, the current convictions and guilty pleas stand.
 
independentusa said:
Let say that trump stops the "witch hunt by firing Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller and the GOP ends the whole thing saying it was an illegal investigation. What should happen to all of those who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty of a crime? Should their convictions stand or should they be overturned or pardoned/ Can the Federal government stop the states from following up on what information given to them by the Feds, or will the GOP controlled SCOTUS take the info from them? What do you think?
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That is putting the cart before the horse. If Trump obstructs justice (as you just suggested) he will be impeached, making your question moot.
 
Then NY State will go after Trump and his FAMILY full tilt. All his crimes and businesses and family and friends do business in NY...Pardons and firing Fed employees mean nothing with State indictments and charges.
 
independentusa said:
Let say that trump stops the "witch hunt by firing Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller and the GOP ends the whole thing saying it was an illegal investigation. What should happen to all of those who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty of a crime? Should their convictions stand or should they be overturned or pardoned/ Can the Federal government stop the states from following up on what information given to them by the Feds, or will the GOP controlled SCOTUS take the info from them? What do you think?
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The charges against Flynn and Papodopolous should be dropped and their records cleared.

Manafort, well he did break the law. However, the whole reason to persue that case was to get President Trump. So, I think he should get a reduced sentence.

The Russians? Whatever. They were never going to trial with that, anyway.

The state charges (potential charges) are 100% politically motivated. They should never come to pass.

The information passed to the state by Mueller should be very closely reviewed for constitutionality.
 
independentusa said:
Let say that trump stops the "witch hunt by firing Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller and the GOP ends the whole thing saying it was an illegal investigation. What should happen to all of those who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty of a crime? Should their convictions stand or should they be overturned or pardoned/ Can the Federal government stop the states from following up on what information given to them by the Feds, or will the GOP controlled SCOTUS take the info from them? What do you think?
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It depends. Manafort is pretty much stuck. Mueller used special language to lock them all out of appeals, but this can and should be challenged, and can be argued the Mueller knew an appeals court would overturn them.

Flynn and the rest of them should be able to sue the feds. Carter Page is going to be a very rich man.

The entire case file should eventually be handed over to another special prosecutor to see if justice was unfairly leveraged to acheive political goals.
 
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apdst said:
The charges against Flynn and Papodopolous should be dropped and their records cleared.

Manafort, well he did break the law. However, the whole reason to persue that case was to get President Trump. So, I think he should get a reduced sentence.

The Russians? Whatever. They were never going to trial with that, anyway.

The state charges (potential charges) are 100% politically motivated. They should never come to pass.

The information passed to the state by Mueller should be very closely reviewed for constitutionality.
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Fruit from the rotten tree has to be thrown out. Guilty or not. It protects the integrity of our legal system

Everything is overturned and they all walk

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trouble13 said:
Fruit from the rotten tree has to be thrown out. Guilty or not. It protects the integrity of our legal system

Everything is overturned and they all walk

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Can't argue with that.
 
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apdst said:
Can't argue with that.
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It's the safeguard in place to deter the government from abusing it's power. When we discover the government abused it's authority to catch a bad guy, the bad guy gets a free pass.

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Beaudreaux said:
To me, the 'witch hunt' refers to finding evidence of collusion with Russia by Trump.

Trump and his supporters are still using the term because no evidence has yet to be made public that Mueller has found 'Collusion with Russia by Trump.' The term witch hunt is used by people that want to say there is no evidence of wrong doing associated with whatever the subject matter is, because a witch cannot be found because they don't exist, and so they are implying that no evidence of wrong doing can be found either, because like a witch, it doesn't exist.

However, at this point, even though there has been no evidence made public of Trump's collusion with Russia, Mueller has not made his report public and his investigation doesn't appear to be concluded yet. We'll know when he reports to Congress.

None of the guilty pleas or convictions so far have anything to do with Trump colluding with Russia to influence the 2016 Presidential election.

So the thread title takes two completely unrelated situations and inaccurately conflates them as if they are.

All that said, if the Mueller probe stops without any evidence of Trump colluding with Russia to influence the 2016 Presidential election, either ending early or ending upon completion of the investigation by Mueller, the current convictions and guilty pleas stand.
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Do you know how many times I have had to explain this very thing to liberals here and they still dont get it? When Trump refers to a witch hunt he is referring to the search for evidence that he colluded with Russia. That is what the Mueller investigation was about and he has found nothing.
 
Fletch said:
Do you know how many times I have had to explain this very thing to liberals here and they still dont get it? When Trump refers to a witch hunt he is referring to the search for evidence that he colluded with Russia. That is what the Mueller investigation was about and he has found nothing.
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Mueller has found nothing we know of to this point don't you mean. Mueller has been very silent on what he has and what he is doing and does not show his hand until there is an indictment. You may very well be right and this will end with a big nothing burger for Trump. It may also come up with evidence of Trump, Trump family members, or others in his organization being indicted for conspiracy to collude, which is a crime. It may also lead to other politico's being in trouble for taking money as campaign funds from a foreign government or an agent of that government in violation of our laws. Anything is possible, but we have to wait to see what happens. To continue to say there is nothing there because nothing has been found is not factual. We do not know yet what the facts are because of how Mueller has finally created an investigation by a Federal Agency without leaks.
 
independentusa said:
Mueller has found nothing we know of to this point don't you mean. Mueller has been very silent on what he has and what he is doing and does not show his hand until there is an indictment. You may very well be right and this will end with a big nothing burger for Trump. It may also come up with evidence of Trump, Trump family members, or others in his organization being indicted for conspiracy to collude, which is a crime. It may also lead to other politico's being in trouble for taking money as campaign funds from a foreign government or an agent of that government in violation of our laws. Anything is possible, but we have to wait to see what happens. To continue to say there is nothing there because nothing has been found is not factual. We do not know yet what the facts are because of how Mueller has finally created an investigation by a Federal Agency without leaks.
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Right. This investigation has been going on for 2 years and so far no indictments, no charges of any kind related to collusion between anyone in the Trump campaign and Russia. It didnt happen.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
That is putting the cart before the horse. If Trump obstructs justice (as you just suggested) he will be impeached, making your question moot.
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Trumps supporters just dont get it, even if there is no collusion interfering in a federal investigation is a crime. Trump is guilty of obstruction, big time !
 
yankintx said:
Trumps supporters just dont get it, even if there is no collusion interfering in a federal investigation is a crime. Trump is guilty of obstruction, big time !
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Yep, and they also don't 'get' that that what sunk Clinton and Nixon had little to nothing to do with the initial investigations. Nixon had nothing to do with the break-in, it was the lying and cover-up that got him. And Clinton's BJ sure wasn't what started his investigation.

That's what is so sad and disgusting, Trump has surrounding himself with criminals. He didn't drain the swamp, his swamp is/was 10x worse than any other Admin. But his supporters don't care, as long as their messiah is, so far, clean.
 
yankintx said:
Trumps supporters just dont get it, even if there is no collusion interfering in a federal investigation is a crime. Trump is guilty of obstruction, big time !
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I find it startling that they think that they can spin it where trump would look good. It is like they are completely delusional.
 
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