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Trump orders feds to declassify key FISA documents, text messages in FBI Russia probe

jnug said:
You cannot be serious. If the President is going to order the release of classified information that reveals sources and methods, worse from an ongoing investigation, where does it end? Does it end at the end of the FBI? Why does it not end with the end of the FBI as an investigative body? Does it not end at the end of the FBI because Donald will control himself? Trump supporters voted for Trump in many cases because he was going to be a wrecking ball and now that you have him in office you want to claim that wrecking balls have discretion. You just cannot be serious. You should read your own posts and then try to reach a logical conclusion instead of yammering incessantly in defense of Donald the First, your new royal master.

What about people in the field right now. Suppose they don't get the memo that they are blown? Honesty the closer and closer Mueller gets to the Trump gang the more absurd the arguments from Trumpets. LISTEN TO YOURSELVES or is it that you just do not know any better and do not care!
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More of the left's BULL****.

No "sources and methods" wer revealed in the Nunes memo, which the lyingass Dems try to prevent being released, because it would "devastate national security" = TOTAL LIE.


Subsequently, the Lyingass Democrats then released "their memo' LOADED WITH SOURCES AND METHODS, which had to be redacted, so that thy could then sya was the GOP "editing their memo".

Now, the Lyingass Democrats, are going to try the SAME LIES, again.

As I said , by the end of the week, the Lyingass Democrats will be decrying the RELEASE OF THE TRUTH to the American People, " a threat to our democracy", instead of the threat to their EXPOSED POLICE STATE TACTICS...Americans aren't buying the bull****.
 
Grokmaster said:
Accusing the right of what you are doing; typical tactic of the left.


Not surprisingly, it is the DEMOCRATS OPPOSE THE TRUTH BEING KNOWN by the American people...the GOP does not.


It will be called a "threat to our democracy" be these sleazy co-conspirator LIARS by the end of the week.


That fact alone, SPEAKS VOLUMES.


Now ,hurry up and COMMENT on posting style, or some other IRRELEVANT BULLCRAP....
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Wrong....you are trying to thread such an absurd needle that your comment is not worth more than a WRONG!!!
 
Grokmaster said:
More of the left's BULL****.

No "sources and methods" wer revealed in the Nunes memo, which the lyingass Dems try to prevent being released, because it would "devastate national security" = TOTAL LIE.


Subsequently, the Lyingass Democrats then released "their memo' LOADED WITH SOURCES AND METHODS, which had to be redacted, so that thy could then sya was the GOP "editing their memo".

Now, the Lyingass Democrats, are going to try the SAME LIES, again.

As I said , by the end of the week, the Lyingass Democrats will be decrying the RELEASE OF THE TRUTH to the American People, " a threat to our democracy", instead of the threat to their EXPOSED POLICE STATE TACTICS...Americans aren't buying the bull****.
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Because these sections that were not released are now going to be released and they will be reverse engineered by people that know how to do it unless Justice pulls off redacting virtually everything on those pages. Read a spy novel for God sake. You would learn more from fiction than you know at this point. You would be 100% ahead of the game from where you are today. Do you think reading documents like this are like reading your grocery list! These things will be poured over by our enemies and used against us. Vlad is thrilled.

Why do people want to read them....for a thrill...a kick...to sate their DEEEEP STAAAATE fantasies. Sure thats worth a life or two out in the field. What the heck, its fun for us Conspiracy Theorists....who cares who dies.
 
jnug said:
You cannot be serious. If the President is going to order the release of classified information that reveals sources and methods, worse from an ongoing investigation, where does it end? Does it end at the end of the FBI? Why does it not end with the end of the FBI as an investigative body? Does it not end at the end of the FBI because Donald will control himself? Trump supporters voted for Trump in many cases because he was going to be a wrecking ball and now that you have him in office you want to claim that wrecking balls have discretion. You just cannot be serious. You should read your own posts and then try to reach a logical conclusion instead of yammering incessantly in defense of Donald the First, your new royal master.

What about people in the field right now. Suppose they don't get the memo that they are blown? Honesty the closer and closer Mueller gets to the Trump gang the more absurd the arguments from Trumpets. LISTEN TO YOURSELVES or is it that you just do not know any better and do not care!
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Where have I called for discretion? You're the one wanting to keep the documents redacted.

And my stance is the same as it has always been, even before Trump was a thought in the campaign trail. I have no problem what so ever with getting all information from the government outside of military secrets. The light always burns away corruption. And I want to make sure that my government is not corrupt. I have said this a few times around DP here, even long before Trump came around.

As for the people in the field...Pretty sure that since this is getting national attention that even if their handlers can't get a hold of them for some odd reason that they'll hear whats going on and skedaddle.
 
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jnug said:
BS....in this political environment, information will be pulled apart, spun if not completely lied about. Just this morning, Sekulow this morning claiming that the Russia probe started with the Page FISA warrants, a complete and total spin job lie. So there ya' go. The material Trump is ordering released is not even out yet and Sekulow is already lying about it.

There is no purpose for this release other than furthering the political goals and self-agrandizement of one Donald Trump. Thats it. THAT is not worth one method, one source, one agent.
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Yep, it will be spun. Which is why the full release of these documents will stop the spin from actually working for anyone with a brain. Which means anyone that actually reads and attempt to understand the whole thing...not just cherry picked pieces.

You do know though that the spin works both ways right? With redacted versions spin will happen also.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Yep, it will be spun. Which is why the full release of these documents will stop the spin from actually working for anyone with a brain. Which means anyone that actually reads and attempt to understand the whole thing...not just cherry picked pieces.

You do know though that the spin works both ways right? With redacted versions spin will happen also.
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They are not being fully released...just what Trump wants released. So chew on that for a bit.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Where have I called for discretion? You're the one wanting to keep the documents redacted.

And my stance is the same as it has always been, even before Trump was a thought in the campaign trail. I have no problem what so ever with getting all information from the government outside of military secrets. The light always burns away corruption. And I want to make sure that my government is not corrupt. I have said this a few times around DP here, even long before Trump came around.

As for the people in the field...Pretty sure that since this is getting national attention that even if their handlers can't get a hold of them for some odd reason that they'll hear whats going on and skedaddle.
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Then answer the question about where this ends if there is no discretion used. Where does it end?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Yep, it will be spun. Which is why the full release of these documents will stop the spin from actually working for anyone with a brain. Which means anyone that actually reads and attempt to understand the whole thing...not just cherry picked pieces.

You do know though that the spin works both ways right? With redacted versions spin will happen also.
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Now your contradicting yourself. Now they will be spun and thats OK. The entire country exists in its own separate silos now and Trump has contributed greatly to that...he lives off of it. So please spare me the pious platitudes about this being some method to "burn away corruption". You're kidding yourself if you actually believe it. If anything we are just going to burn the government to the ground. The Libertarians win. Nice job...just make sure you bought a good deal of ammo for the family assault rifles.
 
jnug said:
Then answer the question about where this ends if there is no discretion used. Where does it end?
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When we're sure that our government does not have corrupt individuals in it. I want it ALL exposed. (again, with the exception of military secrets) And yes, by "ALL" I'm including Trump and his staff also so don't think that this is a partisan issue. I want them ALL. Unfortunately these documents will be what I have to accept...for now.
 
Kal'Stang said:
When we're sure that our government does not have corrupt individuals in it. I want it ALL exposed. (again, with the exception of military secrets) And yes, by "ALL" I'm including Trump and his staff also so don't think that this is a partisan issue. I want them ALL. Unfortunately these documents will be what I have to accept...for now.
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And that is OK with you...that Trump is making the choice selectively is OK with you...screaming idiot Donald...clueless Donald who thinks government is a toy designed for his personal aggrandizement. Thanks for the clarification. I am entirely satisfied as to the basis of your argument.
 
jnug said:
Now your contradicting yourself. Now they will be spun and thats OK. The entire country exists in its own separate silos now and Trump has contributed greatly to that...he lives off of it. So please spare me the pious platitudes about this being some method to "burn away corruption". You're kidding yourself if you actually believe it. If anything we are just going to burn the government to the ground. The Libertarians win. Nice job...just make sure you bought a good deal of ammo for the family assault rifles.
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What's contradicting about it? Things will always be spun. Even you admitted that its an every day occurrence in this political environment. However the spin will be MUCH harder to accomplish with the full unredacted version...at least for those with thinking minds.
 
Kal'Stang said:
What's contradicting about it? Things will always be spun. Even you admitted that its an every day occurrence in this political environment. However the spin will be MUCH harder to accomplish with the full unredacted version...at least for those with thinking minds.
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But that is not what we are getting which makes this release an entirely self serving venture on Trump's part. But since you just told me you don't care...I already know your position in that regard.
 
jnug said:
And that is OK with you...that Trump is making the choice selectively is OK with you...screaming idiot Donald...clueless Donald who thinks government is a toy designed for his personal aggrandizement. Thanks for the clarification. I am entirely satisfied as to the basis of your argument.
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Again, its the documents that the Democrats asked for. I want it all, but recognize that neither party, not even Trump is going to release ALL of it like I want. As such, I take my victories where I can.
 
Kal'Stang said:
What's contradicting about it? Things will always be spun. Even you admitted that its an every day occurrence in this political environment. However the spin will be MUCH harder to accomplish with the full unredacted version...at least for those with thinking minds.
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So, it is seemingly OK with you and others if sensitive intelligence information is revealed and the identities of confidential sources become known?

Looks like just another Trumpian move that will push allies even further away from the US. BUT, it's all good because those Demorats in the Deep State will be taken down. :roll:
 
Kal'Stang said:
What's contradicting about it? Things will always be spun. Even you admitted that its an every day occurrence in this political environment. However the spin will be MUCH harder to accomplish with the full unredacted version...at least for those with thinking minds.
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As I said...who is in FAVOR of the whole Truth coming out, and who is OPPOSING the whole Truth coming out, TELLS THE WHOLE TRUTH, quite aptly.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Again, its the documents that the Democrats asked for. I want it all, but recognize that neither party, not even Trump is going to release ALL of it like I want. As such, I take my victories where I can.
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Happy for you...Glad you think selectively sorted, unredacted material is worth the consequences. Can't lay this off on the dems. They wanted redacted material and I am entirely unconvinced that our Intelligence community is going to be able to redact this material in the face of the Presidents demand though it appears they are trying to find a way to thread the needle.

Heck maybe Donald will have a Big Mac and a few cokes and forget he even made the demand.
 
jnug said:
But that is not what we are getting which makes this release an entirely self serving venture on Trump's part. But since you just told me you don't care...I already know your position in that regard.
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Yes, and I know your position as well. Which position is more self serving? You wanting to keep information redacted so that we do not know the full scope/story? Or wanting it all released so that everyone knows the full truth of the matter?
 
Somerville said:
So, it is seemingly OK with you and others if sensitive intelligence information is revealed and the identities of confidential sources become known?

Looks like just another Trumpian move that will push allies even further away from the US. BUT, it's all good because those Demorats in the Deep State will be taken down. :roll:
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More of the SAME LIES from the left.

Same **** you and yours said about the Nunes memo.


The only " sensitive information" coming out, is the EXPOSURE of the corruption and criminality of the Obama Swamp KGB-FBI/DOJ/State Dept..


As I said, the Lyingass Democrats will be decrying the TRUTH about THEIR ACTIIONS before, during and after the 2016 election, being revealed to the American People, as a "threat to our democracy" by week's end....
 
jnug said:
Happy for you...Glad you think selectively sorted, unredacted material is worth the consequences. Can't lay this off on the dems. They wanted redacted material and I am entirely unconvinced that our Intelligence community is going to be able to redact this material in the face of the Presidents demand though it appears they are trying to find a way to thread the needle.

Heck maybe Donald will have a Big Mac and a few cokes and forget he even made the demand.
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Why did the democrats want selective documents? Redacted selective documents? Don't use the national security card. How are they going to get the full truth if everything is redacted and they only asked for those selected documents?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Again, its the documents that the Democrats asked for. I want it all, but recognize that neither party, not even Trump is going to release ALL of it like I want. As such, I take my victories where I can.
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So let me get this straight after all these lines of text. You are entirely fine with releasing full text, unredacted FISA warrants on ongoing investigations regardless of the consequences? That is what I am reading here....CORRECT?
 
Somerville said:
So, it is seemingly OK with you and others if sensitive intelligence information is revealed and the identities of confidential sources become known?

Looks like just another Trumpian move that will push allies even further away from the US. BUT, it's all good because those Demorats in the Deep State will be taken down. :roll:
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Read the full thread before making accusations.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Why did the democrats want selective documents? Redacted selective documents? Don't use the national security card. How are they going to get the full truth if everything is redacted and they only asked for those selected documents?
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Because their intent was to counter the ridiculous Nunes memo and it was not worth it to them to release unredacted and complete material when all they intended was countering the ridiculous Nunes memo. God people have short/no memories!!!!!

Rather patriotic on the part of the dems I would say.
 
jnug said:
Because their intent was to counter the ridiculous Nunes memo and it was not worth it to them to release unredacted and complete material when all they intended was countering the ridiculous Nunes memo. God people have short/no memories!!!!!
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They already countered the Nunes memo by releasing their own memo. Or did you forget about that? Or was there another memo that I'm not aware of since then? Either way, all that you did was confirm that both sides use just enough info to spin things while leaving the full amount in the dark. If it is ALL gotten out into the public then spin will be MUCH harder to accomplish.
 
jnug said:
Because their intent was to counter the ridiculous Nunes memo and it was not worth it to them to release unredacted and complete material when all they intended was countering the ridiculous Nunes memo. God people have short/no memories!!!!!

Rather patriotic on the part of the dems I would say.
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They released a paper FULL of SORUCES and METHODS that HAD TO BE HEAVLY REDACTED...on purpose so that they could DECRY THE REDACTIONS.


Only the Obama Swamp leftovers, and the rest of the DNC are AFRAID OF THE DECLASSIFICATION of the documents detailing their seditious activities...we all KNOW WHY.
 
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