Trump orders feds to declassify key FISA documents, text messages in FBI Russia probe

chuckiechan · Sep 18, 2018

Acadia said:
I have a feeling that Rosenstein's firing is imminent. Maybe Mueller.

I don't think he will fire Mueller. I suspect the end will be right after the mid terms. Flynn will be sentenced, Manfort cut a deal, Cohen is a side bar, so Mueller is pretty much done. He's done all the damage he can do.

Side bar:
Joseph De Genova made a comment that there is a grand jury in DC that is involved in the FBI case. As you may have noticed, Comey is keeping a low profile pending the threat of indictment.

jnug · Sep 18, 2018

Acadia said:
We also know that classified material was indeed on her server.
But, she didn't intend to jeopardize America's secrets, so...

So lets see...we want to yammer on about documents that we don't know about while supporting the release of documents that the Government already has and knows are problematic. Good...just wanted to clear that up so that there would be no question about that.

RetiredUSN · Sep 18, 2018

jnug said:
Now that is a knowledgable, studied response that adds to the discussion. Typical.

Sorry to disappoint, but national security on the world stage has little to do with the biased & corrupt FBI leadership going after a candidate that they happen to loathe.

ludin · Sep 18, 2018

eohrnberger said:
I guess in a week or two's time we are going to find out if the FISA warrants for Carter Page were justified by bull**** or not;
How corrupt the FBI and DOJ were, or not;
How corrupt the Obama administration was, or not;
Possibly even how high into the Obama administration this corruption went, or not.

Guess we are going to see when the documentation is made public. Given what has been revealed so far, the Democrats are quite right in being worried about it.

there is a reason they are ranting and raving at the release of this information.
We will finally get the truth about what happened. There will be no political spin and we will
find out also if the IG blew it in his report and down played what happened to protect people involved.

This scalpel use of language to keep people from violating US law is for the birds.

jnug · Sep 18, 2018

RetiredUSN said:
Sorry to disappoint, but national security on the world stage has little to do with the biased & corrupt FBI leadership going after a candidate that they happen to loathe.

You go ahead and believe that narrative all you want to. You are part of a shrinking minority. But feel free to ride that horse to the bitter end.

HumblePi · Sep 18, 2018

Grokmaster said:
For some reason , the DEMOCRATS OPPOSE THEIR RELEASE..gee, I wonder why that would be, since they claim to want the "truth" known? "lmao".

With the exception of the 25-30% base Republicans, the majority of people in the U.S. have voiced their opinions and agree that the Mueller investigation not be interfered with in any way and allowed to proceed unhindered. It's the first rule of any investigation that it be conducted under the veil of secrecy with the utmost security in order to protect sources and methods of collection.

This is more evidence of Trump's over-reach and abuse of power.

Putin's plan is working.

jnug · Sep 18, 2018

ludin said:
there is a reason they are ranting and raving at the release of this information.
We will finally get the truth about what happened. There will be no political spin and we will
find out also if the IG blew it in his report and down played what happened to protect people involved.

This scalpel use of language to keep people from violating US law is for the birds.

No political spin. Thats rich! Nunes and the other Trump sycophants have done nothing BUT try to spin these docs. They just are not very good at it and the material simply does not provide them much to work with. Trump simply does not care about relevance. The relevance for him is throwing more dust and fog in the air. He does care what else he risks to do that.

Again, the WH is already spinning a false narrative about these FISA Warrants.

RetiredUSN · Sep 18, 2018

jnug said:
You go ahead and believe that narrative all you want to. You are part of a shrinking minority. But feel free to ride that horse to the bitter end.

You as well.

jnug · Sep 18, 2018

RetiredUSN said:
You as well.

Not according to the polls I'm not.

HumblePi · Sep 18, 2018

RetiredUSN said:
Foreign agents will only get a good laugh at how naïve American judges really are.

Your national security theory is right up there with supermarket tabloids.

You're so very very wrong if you don't think that this will most certainly lead to the demand for more and more, eventually destroying the credibility of our intelligence agencies, (there are 7 of them) and destroy the confidence of the American people in those agencies. People have absolutely no understanding of what our federal agencies to to protect this country, no idea whatsoever. This debacle is Putin's dream, we are under his heel now. Be ready for the worst to come people, and it's not going to be Trump being impeached, it will be that he won't be.

What I want to be made public are Trump's income tax returns. I want to see what's inside the David Pecker secret vault. I want to see all the text messages and communications between Roger Stone, Julian Assange and Guccifer 2.0. I want to see all the emails between Don Jr., Manafort, Kushner, Trump Sr. and the Russians prior to the Trump Tower meeting. I want to see all the emails sent between Devin Nunes, Sean Hannity and Trump.

That's enough for starters.

Acadia · Sep 18, 2018

chuckiechan said:
I don't think he will fire Mueller. I suspect the end will be right after the mid terms. Flynn will be sentenced, Manfort cut a deal, Cohen is a side bar, so Mueller is pretty much done. He's done all the damage he can do.

Side bar:
Joseph De Genova made a comment that there is a grand jury in DC that is involved in the FBI case. As you may have noticed, Comey is keeping a low profile pending the threat of indictment.

Thank you. Yes, Comey has been very quiet on all fronts.

RetiredUSN · Sep 18, 2018

HumblePi said:
You're so very very wrong if you don't think that this will most certainly lead to the demand for more and more, eventually destroying the credibility of our intelligence agencies, (there are 7 of them) and destroy the confidence of the American people in those agencies. People have absolutely no understanding of what our federal agencies to to protect this country, no idea whatsoever. This debacle is Putin's dream, we are under his heel now. Be ready for the worst to come people, and it's not going to be Trump being impeached, it will be that he won't be.

What I want to be made public are Trump's income tax returns. I want to see what's inside the David Pecker secret vault. I want to see all the text messages and communications between Roger Stone, Julian Assange and Guccifer 2.0. I want to see all the emails between Don Jr., Manafort, Kushner, Trump Sr. and the Russians prior to the Trump Tower meeting. I want to see all the emails sent between Devin Nunes, Sean Hannity and Trump.

That's enough for starters.

I want to see every word!

What are you so afraid of that you have to use a weak excuse like national security?

Why are you that afraid of corruption being exposed?

jnug · Sep 18, 2018

RetiredUSN said:
I want to see every word!

What are you so afraid of that you have to use a weak excuse like national security?

Why are you that afraid of corruption being exposed?

So does Vladimir. Nice company the Right keeps lately.

RetiredUSN · Sep 18, 2018

jnug said:
So does Vladimir. Nice company the Right keeps lately.

You just can't admit that the FBI leadership was acting biased and unprofessional.

That is your problem, not mine.

jnug · Sep 18, 2018

RetiredUSN said:
You just can't admit that the FBI leadership was acting biased and unprofessional.

That is your problem, not mine.

Maybe they were...maybe they weren't. I'll take my chances on that bet over obvious betrayal for personal political reasons and self-aggrandizement which is all that is going on with the release of these docs.

RetiredUSN · Sep 18, 2018

jnug said:
Maybe they were...maybe they weren't. I'll take my chances on that bet over obvious betrayal for personal political reasons and self-aggrandizement which is all that is going on with the release of these docs.

So, you admit that finding corruption in DOJ upsets you......good.

You have taken the first step.

jnug · Sep 18, 2018

RetiredUSN said:
So, you admit that finding corruption in DOJ upsets you......good.

You have taken the first step.

False equivalency, a usual tactic of the Right.

I admitted that at least there is a question that is in the process of being answered with regard to DOJ. There is no question about what is going on with this release. It is entirely an effort of betrayal in Trump's insane, never ending pursuit of personal political gain and self-aggransizement. In one case there is a question (DOJ) in another there is no doubt. Comparing the two is a false equivalency. But you go ahead and continue that narrative as long as you would like. Follow it right down the rathole which is where Trump's polling is going and where negative national impressions of the Mueller Probe is going.

MrShangles · Sep 18, 2018

jnug said:
Anybody with a brain opposes the release of these docs at this time. These are the redacted parts of the FISA warrant docs that have already been released. There is no actual reason of merit to release this stuff at this time. This is Trump and his insane, completely self motivated effort to distract the American public at the least, save himself at the most.

Foreign agents will be able to pour through these segments that Justice and the FBI and the DNI have already determined should remain classified and they will learn how to reverse engineer them. This will put lives at risk, lives of American Agents and it will make other investigations harder to make because foreign agents will learn what to do to confound the efforts of US Agents.

Justice has already said there are too many text messages for them to damage assess their release. I actually don't get that one. Conduct the damage assessment no matter how long it takes.

If it were not for Trump doing some self serving thing virtually every day in the WH, this might quite likely go right to the top of the list of self-serving, Trump first, country last things he has done to date. .....The man is completely unscrupulous and completely disgusting.

Why are you worried, don’t you want to know for sure who are the traitors? I don’t remember you worried about other countries getting secrets from Hillary’s illegal private servers, or the DNC computer that they say got hacked but wouldn’t turn it over to FBI for inspection!

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jnug · Sep 18, 2018

MrShangles said:
Why are you worried, don’t you want to know for sure who are the traitors? I don’t remember you worried about other countries getting secrets from Hillary’s illegal private servers, or the DNC computer that they say got hacked but wouldn’t turn it over to FBI for inspection!

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Already covered in very recent posts in this very thread. Not going to repeat myself for your benefit. Try to keep up.

RetiredUSN · Sep 18, 2018

jnug said:
False equivalency, a usual tactic of the Right.

I admitted that at least there is a question that is in the process of being answered with regard to DOJ. There is no question about what is going on with this release. It is entirely an effort of betrayal in Trump's insane, never ending pursuit of personal political gain and self-aggransizement. In one case there is a question (DOJ) in another there is no doubt. Comparing the two is a false equivalency. But you go ahead and continue that narrative as long as you would like. Follow it right down the rathole which is where Trump's polling is going and where negative national impressions of the Mueller Probe is going.

Tactics.... lol

I don't give a **** about Trump, so please stop building your entire argument out of assumptions.

Grokmaster · Sep 18, 2018

jnug said:
False equivalency, a usual tactic of the Right.

I admitted that at least there is a question that is in the process of being answered with regard to DOJ. There is no question about what is going on with this release. It is entirely an effort of betrayal in Trump's insane, never ending pursuit of personal political gain and self-aggransizement. In one case there is a question (DOJ) in another there is no doubt. Comparing the two is a false equivalency. But you go ahead and continue that narrative as long as you would like. Follow it right down the rathole which is where Trump's polling is going and where negative national impressions of the Mueller Probe is going.

Accusing the right of what you are doing; typical tactic of the left.

Not surprisingly, it is the DEMOCRATS OPPOSE THE TRUTH BEING KNOWN by the American people...the GOP does not.

It will be called a "threat to our democracy" be these sleazy co-conspirator LIARS by the end of the week.

That fact alone, SPEAKS VOLUMES.

Now ,hurry up and COMMENT on posting style, or some other IRRELEVANT BULLCRAP....

Kal'Stang · Sep 18, 2018

jnug said:
Release them in their time in redacted form PERIOD! You don't release docs that are part of an ongoing investigation. How many times do you want to do that? Once for Trump or any old time Trump or anybody else wants to? Do you think Intelligence Agencies hold onto better methods and use less effective methods? Change methods to what, something less effective? This release is BS...utter BS.

Do you really think that these documents are going to release all tactics? Or that they're the best ones we have? That new ones can't be formulated that are just as good...possibly better?

Why are you so angry at getting to the truth of the matter? Why are you so complacent about possible government corruption?

I'd bet that if CNN had gotten a hold of those documents and released them to the public you wouldn't care. Because you'd know that if CNN released them then there MUST be dirt on Trump. With Trump releasing them you're afraid that it will show Trump in a light different than what you want him shown in and you don't want that. RESIST! ... Right?

Kal'Stang · Sep 18, 2018

HumblePi said:
You're so very very wrong if you don't think that this will most certainly lead to the demand for more and more, eventually destroying the credibility of our intelligence agencies, (there are 7 of them) and destroy the confidence of the American people in those agencies. People have absolutely no understanding of what our federal agencies to to protect this country, no idea whatsoever. This debacle is Putin's dream, we are under his heel now. Be ready for the worst to come people, and it's not going to be Trump being impeached, it will be that he won't be.

What I want to be made public are Trump's income tax returns. I want to see what's inside the David Pecker secret vault. I want to see all the text messages and communications between Roger Stone, Julian Assange and Guccifer 2.0. I want to see all the emails between Don Jr., Manafort, Kushner, Trump Sr. and the Russians prior to the Trump Tower meeting. I want to see all the emails sent between Devin Nunes, Sean Hannity and Trump.

That's enough for starters.

If our intelligence community is conducting themselves with honor then no, it won't destroy the confidence of the American people in those agencies. In fact it would bolster it. If however they are not conducting themselves with honor then you're right, it would. And then new ones will be installed while the old ones go the way of the dodo. I have no problem with that.

jnug · Sep 18, 2018

Kal'Stang said:
Do you really think that these documents are going to release all tactics? Or that they're the best ones we have? That new ones can't be formulated that are just as good...possibly better?

Why are you so angry at getting to the truth of the matter? Why are you so complacent about possible government corruption?

I'd bet that if CNN had gotten a hold of those documents and released them to the public you wouldn't care. Because you'd know that if CNN released them then there MUST be dirt on Trump. With Trump releasing them you're afraid that it will show Trump in a light different than what you want him shown in and you don't want that. RESIST! ... Right?

You cannot be serious. If the President is going to order the release of classified information that reveals sources and methods, worse from an ongoing investigation, where does it end? Does it end at the end of the FBI? Why does it not end with the end of the FBI as an investigative body? Does it not end at the end of the FBI because Donald will control himself? Trump supporters voted for Trump in many cases because he was going to be a wrecking ball and now that you have him in office you want to claim that wrecking balls have discretion. You just cannot be serious. You should read your own posts and then try to reach a logical conclusion instead of yammering incessantly in defense of Donald the First, your new royal master.

What about people in the field right now. Suppose they don't get the memo that they are blown? Honesty the closer and closer Mueller gets to the Trump gang the more absurd the arguments from Trumpets. LISTEN TO YOURSELVES or is it that you just do not know any better and do not care!

jnug · Sep 18, 2018

Kal'Stang said:
If our intelligence community is conducting themselves with honor then no, it won't destroy the confidence of the American people in those agencies. In fact it would bolster it. If however they are not conducting themselves with honor then you're right, it would. And then new ones will be installed while the old ones go the way of the dodo. I have no problem with that.

BS....in this political environment, information will be pulled apart, spun if not completely lied about. Just this morning, Sekulow this morning claiming that the Russia probe started with the Page FISA warrants, a complete and total spin job lie. So there ya' go. The material Trump is ordering released is not even out yet and Sekulow is already lying about it.

There is no purpose for this release other than furthering the political goals and self-agrandizement of one Donald Trump. Thats it. THAT is not worth one method, one source, one agent.