MeToo about Men thread

[joko104]

hehe...I suspect you'd need to bring a metric crap ton of proof to get me to believe that. In fact, if you want to hold on tight to that assertion, I challenge you to produce that proof...or retract.

I was responding to someone claiming the opposite - with no proof.

 

[ludin]

At least she was changed with false statement to the police. But those 2 young men's athletic careers were ended regardless.

yep they were automatically expelled and everything else without due process etc ..
they didn't even wait for the trial which is why i think they are suing the school etc ...

as well as they should.

that is like all those cases where schools were on this just say yes kick and lost a ton of lawsuits due to
failed due process laws.

I know what it is like to go through false allegations. They treat you as if you are guilty before innocent.
some kid accused my son and another boy of doing something to him.

First thing i did was ensure my son was telling the truth. I knew he was when he told me what happened.
The other kid finally admitted he lied when the cops showed up at his house as well.

I told my son right there was why it is 100% important that you tell the truth.

 

[joko104]

Men have been sent to prison for decades for false rape accusations. No woman has been sent to prison for making such a false accusation. Rarely is any charge brought at all.

 

[OlNate]

I figured the worst person to discuss a man's rights with was a progressive SJW who doesn't believe in innocence until proven guilty. (Not talking about you)

Isn't an MRA also a SJW?

I'd agree, though, equally annoying on the subject...hehe

 

[joko104]

yep they were automatically expelled and everything else without due process etc ..
they didn't even wait for the trial which is why i think they are suing the school etc ...

as well as they should.

that is like all those cases where schools were on this just say yes kick and lost a ton of lawsuits due to
failed due process laws.

Schools and universities should NEVER involve in such cases but instead ALWAYS should tell the accuser "go to the police." Universities deal with these to try to cover the university's reputation, not as criminal justice. There should be be 100% presumption of innocence, with the safeguard of being ordered to stay away from the accuser until a POLICE investigation is concluded. GUILT would be considered true ONLY upon a CRIMINAL conviction, not before.

 

[OlNate]

I was responding to someone claiming the opposite - with no proof.

You don't have to prove common sense, bud. I'm not going to "prove" to you that the earth is round either, even if you tell me it's not after I say it is. :lol:

 

[joko104]

You don't have to prove common sense, bud. I'm not going to "prove" to you that the earth is round either, even if you tell me it's not after I say it is. :lol:

My view is "common sense." Accusations of "physical and mental cruelty and abuse" in divorce pleading by women in custody cases is so common it is part of the fill-in-the-blank divorce pleading forms.

 

[jghiretire]

So in each of these cases, it appears that a rape very clearly did happen it just appears as though the woman accused the wrong man of committing it?

Just out of curiosity...How many of those were black men raping a white woman?

Now tell me. How many men do you think there are out there that have in fact committed rape, but never went to prison for it because nobody took the woman seriously or she was afraid to come forward in the first place and deal with the backlash?


Perjury implies a lie under oath. If a woman thought she was raped by one man, and it turns out it was another then she didn't like she was just mistaken.


Really? If you're a woman there's a hell of a lot better ways to get money out of a man than this. Women want their rapists in jail so they can't hurt them or someone else again.

Maybe what we should do is to try and close the pay gap between men and women so women can more easily earn a good living without having to resort to things like this?


False. It is that all women should be taken seriously and not have their accusations deemed credible unless there is a reason not to.


Here's an idea. How about men put more care into choosing better partners that won't do these kinds of things. How about they try being better to women so they don't end up divorced in the first place. It's men that seem hellbent on ****ing everything that moves without taking the time to get to know them better. Maybe if you started putting the same effort into vetting your girlfriends as most women have to you wouldn't have to worry about this sort of thing.



I think you mean "MeTwo." From what I've seen you've only really presented two instances where there was definitely a false accusation and in both of those cases the men were exonerated fairly soon afterward. Meanwhile, there are likely hundreds of thousands of actual rapists who go free because they are powerful enough and have enough status in society that people will trust their word over that of any woman's.

A lot of women simply put up and shut up. We didn't always say anything. Why would we when we get shamed?? What were we wearing? What did we do to lead on the poor poor pitiful man, were we drunk? What's our sexual history?? How many partners have you had??"

One hell of a lot of women didn't want to sign up for that.

 

[OlNate]

My view is "common sense." Accusations of "physical and mental cruelty and abuse" in divorce pleading by women in custody cases is so common it is part of the fill-in-the-blank divorce pleading forms.

What do you base the assertion that those are false on? Care to link?

 

[jghiretire]

That message is as extreme attempt to derail this thread and TDS as it gets.

Horsepucky

 

[jghiretire]

Yeah, screw those men who were imprisoned for years and decades and to hell with men who lost even seeing their children to false accusations. At least in your message you acknowledge that is your opinion.

At least you admit that in your opinion it has nothing to do with evidence or proof, but rather the sole goal is to destroy the man's reputation.

This required no courage of the Kavanaugh accuser. She is having her 15 minutes of fame as a Democratic Party national hero and her lawyer will make a pile of money off of this.

Oh hell yeah and screw those women that told the truth but weren't believed. You want to try that side of the coin for a while??

 

[jghiretire]

Tell that to the man who had his life ruined to a false allegation of rape.

https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Police-Football-players-falsely-accused-of-rape-10950934.php

We have a justice system for a reason, I don't have to say **** to a victim and emotional appeals mean nothing to Lady Justice with her blindfold. Innocence until proven guilty MATTERS.

Yeah those poor poor pitiful men. It's not their fault they can't keep it in their pants??

 

[jghiretire]

Actually that is not a laughing matter at all. Most those imprisoned later proven innocent was because the woman figured because the police said the man is a suspect then it must have been him - so to be safe she swears it was. You are right, there are woman that would send 10,000 men to prison if there was a chance one of those was the guilty one.

.......and you would know this how??? You guys are so effing clueless.

 

[jghiretire]

I figured the worst person to discuss a man's rights with was a progressive SJW who doesn't believe in innocence until proven guilty. (Not talking about you)

Yeah?? What about a woman's?? Speaking of guilty until proven innocent. Do you guys understand what you're saying?? Does - 2 sides to every story mean anything??

 

[OlNate]

Oh hell yeah and screw those women that told the truth but weren't believed. You want to try that side of the coin for a while??

I don't think anyone who's is experiencing an injustice deserves consideration. If there are injustices happening towards men, that's just as important as injustices happening towards women. It doesn't have to be an OR outcome.

That said, trying to discuss that with an MRA is about as useful as explaining trigonometry to a garter snake. You'll never get past the exaggeration stage...or the assumption that their problems are more important than everyone else's...or that they should be able to expect help from other advocacy groups, while not extending the same. It's a useless exercise.

 

[joko104]

Yeah?? What about a woman's?? Speaking of guilty until proven innocent. Do you guys understand what you're saying?? Does - 2 sides to every story mean anything??

What value is "2 sides to every story" without other evidence? Congressional hearings are not a gossip fest.

 

[joko104]

.......and you would know this how??? You guys are so effing clueless.

Many men have faced false accusations from women and know often "justice" is extremely tilted towards women. Most notably in divorce court and custody cases when the women claims "mental and physical cruelty" with nothing but her word.

 

[joko104]

Yeah those poor poor pitiful men. It's not their fault they can't keep it in their pants??

Any man who wears pants should be sent to prison for years just because a woman says so. That is not rare.

There is absolutely no reason to believe the accuser against Kavanaugh other than she says so. If there is anything else to back it up, tell what that is - anything that would be admissible in court and not lawyer concocted.