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    Re: Distributions of wealth in this country

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Sure we can. They do it to us ALLLLL the damn time. And for all these HUGE corporations that end up paying 0$ in taxes.... It needs to be upped to 5% directly to the people. This is the only logical way to redistribute wealth. Small mom and pop shops are exempt but all corporate entities are taxed an unnegotiable 5%. Maybe this will lead corporations to establishing Co-ops with locals instead of just flushing them out of the market! They could even accept a monthy due for the mom&pops to be a part of the Co-op. All this will trickle money BACK TO THE PEOPLE.
    No one takes your money. You pay taxes as a citizen. They are not the same thing. There are millions of people in the lower classes who pay nothing in taxes, and in fact pay a negative amount in taxes. There is no logical way to redistribute wealth. It is not acceptable to take money from someone just because they have more than you at all. I've already said it once before on this thread. Consumers determine where the money is going. If you want to see mom and pop stores making a larger share of the consumer spending then consumers need to shop there. It is stupid to expect that mom and pop stores get the money you spend at wal-mart and on amazon. If you feel like they have too much money - stop giving them money. And if you already don't, encourage others. This is a free market. Consumers rule it. If even 1/3rd of the 325 million people did the majority of their shopping in smaller locally owned businesses you'd see a large shift in the wealth disparity. But those consumers dont. Consumers want Walmart, Amazon, Pepsi ect to have all the money and it is their choice to make. Right or wrong - for better or worse - it is up to the consumers in America.
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    Re: Distributions of wealth in this country

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    No one takes your money. You pay taxes as a citizen. They are not the same thing. There are millions of people in the lower classes who pay nothing in taxes, and in fact pay a negative amount in taxes. There is no logical way to redistribute wealth. It is not acceptable to take money from someone just because they have more than you at all. I've already said it once before on this thread. Consumers determine where the money is going. If you want to see mom and pop stores making a larger share of the consumer spending then consumers need to shop there. It is stupid to expect that mom and pop stores get the money you spend at wal-mart and on amazon. If you feel like they have too much money - stop giving them money. And if you already don't, encourage others. This is a free market. Consumers rule it. If even 1/3rd of the 325 million people did the majority of their shopping in smaller locally owned businesses you'd see a large shift in the wealth disparity. But those consumers dont. Consumers want Walmart, Amazon, Pepsi ect to have all the money and it is their choice to make. Right or wrong - for better or worse - it is up to the consumers in America.
    So why can we sin-tax sugars and cigarettes but not greed? You may have double standards.
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    Re: Distributions of wealth in this country

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    So why can we sin-tax sugars and cigarettes but not greed? You may have double standards.


    Do you know what you are even talking about anymore? You want to tax mentalities and emotion?
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    Re: Distributions of wealth in this country

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post


    Do you know what you are even talking about anymore? You want to tax mentalities and emotion?
    No. Tax the raw profits of corporations who shove mom and pop shops of every town out of existence. Tax the profits of people who commonly pay 0% in taxes even though they made billions in profits. And to keep it out of the hands of bureaucracy by giving it directly to the people to spend how they see fit. We need checks and balances and right now corporations and corporate lobbying have a giant leverage on the average person. We need a direct balance. Which this 5% would definitely give. If corporations are gonna buy out our lobbyists at least let the people benefit from it too. Directly.
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    Re: Distributions of wealth in this country

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    No. Tax the raw profits of corporations who shove mom and pop shops of every town out of existence. Tax the profits of people who commonly pay 0% in taxes even though they made billions in profits. And to keep it out of the hands of bureaucracy by giving it directly to the people to spend how they see fit. We need checks and balances and right now corporations and corporate lobbying have a giant leverage on the average person. We need a direct balance. Which this 5% would definitely give. If corporations are gonna buy out our lobbyists at least let the people benefit from it too. Directly.
    A corporation does not have the authority to shove a mom and pop store out of a town. Legally they aren't allowed. They cannot force consumers to shop at their stores. They cannot force consumers to boycott mom and pop stores. All a corporation can do is open its doors. Consumers in this free country choose. Support your friends and neighbors or give money to billionaires. The choice is made millions of times a day. Sucks but you cannot just decide that because the poor can't stop themselves from giving money to the rich that you are going to force the rich to give money away for no reason.
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    Re: Distributions of wealth in this country

    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    You can't give all the new wealth of a country to just a few golden few. Capitalism dies when the incentive of the possibility to get ahead is taken away. Which it has been the case since 1981. I would like the greatest most powerful richest country in the world, to stay capitalistic and a Republic. Not caring about the fact that the golden few get it all and in no way deserve it all is selling out my country.
    Only the socialists and tinfoil hat crowd really believe it is impossible to get ahead because of income inequality. The fact is that the huge majority of the wealthy in this country are first generation wealthy and a generous plurality started with pretty much nothing when they began what would become their financial empires. Talent, ability, and work ethic is far more important than starting out with material advantage.

    And with a few exceptions here and there, the only truly poor people in this country are those who refused to do what most people do to be unpoor, i.e. educate themselves, forego welfare in favor of McJobs that got their foot in the door and enabled them to develop work ethic and get experience and references to move up and onward, and who refrained from illegal substances and activities in order to possess a positive image and reputation.

    It is mostly government regulation and micromanagement that creates most of the income inequaity in a democratic free market system. But those of us who were born with pretty much nothing have no barriers to accomplishing a comfortable living in such a system. And those who think poorer people would be more rich if other people were just less rich indicate they have absolutely no clue in how such a system works.
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    Re: Distributions of wealth in this country

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Hmm... if capitalism died in 1981 then how are we (still?) the greatest, most powerful, richest country in the world?
    The first two are the result of massive tax income expentitures on the military.

    The last, while true, doesn't say how few people make up that "richest" part .
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    Re: Distributions of wealth in this country

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    They benefit from them - however - the majority of their money comes from transactions. Take the Walton family. Walmart brings in billions of dollars a year. People literally line up to hand them money and then complain that they have too much money. It is incredible. Some things are unavoidable like utilities but almost everything else you have a choice. The choices consumers make determine where that money goes. Consumers, more than any other factor, choose to increase the wealth gap.
    This is another area where basic needs leverage wealth and power.

    Walmart is the only game in town in some areas. And most of the money a community pays into it leaves and never returns.

    It used to trickle up to the top tier, contributing to local economies. Now its a waterfall going up.
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    Re: Distributions of wealth in this country

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    This is another area where basic needs leverage wealth and power.

    Walmart is the only game in town in some areas. And most of the money a community pays into it leaves and never returns.

    It used to trickle up to the top tier, contributing to local economies. Now its a waterfall going up.
    I don't know that to be true. If it has devolved to the point where Walmart is literally the only store in a town then drive to the next town if it is that important to you. And Walmart didn't just appear in a place where no business was being done prior. Consumers chose Walmart. Now don't get me wrong. I don't like Walmart. I strongly prefer smaller business. However I also support choice. Consumers in those areas shut down those mom and pop stores out of greed.
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    Re: Distributions of wealth in this country

    It has been clearly demonstrated why so many leftists are so poor. They think someone is going around 'distributing wealth'.

    Silly people.

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