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Distributions of wealth in this country

Kreton said:
A corporation does not have the authority to shove a mom and pop store out of a town. Legally they aren't allowed. They cannot force consumers to shop at their stores. They cannot force consumers to boycott mom and pop stores. All a corporation can do is open its doors. Consumers in this free country choose. Support your friends and neighbors or give money to billionaires. The choice is made millions of times a day. Sucks but you cannot just decide that because the poor can't stop themselves from giving money to the rich that you are going to force the rich to give money away for no reason.
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You are talking to a wall

He doesn’t want to listen or understand
 
AlbqOwl said:
Only the socialists and tinfoil hat crowd really believe it is impossible to get ahead because of income inequality. The fact is that the huge majority of the wealthy in this country are first generation wealthy and a generous plurality started with pretty much nothing when they began what would become their financial empires. Talent, ability, and work ethic is far more important than starting out with material advantage.

And with a few exceptions here and there, the only truly poor people in this country are those who refused to do what most people do to be unpoor, i.e. educate themselves, forego welfare in favor of McJobs that got their foot in the door and enabled them to develop work ethic and get experience and references to move up and onward, and who refrained from illegal substances and activities in order to possess a positive image and reputation.

It is mostly government regulation and micromanagement that creates most of the income inequaity in a democratic free market system. But those of us who were born with pretty much nothing have no barriers to accomplishing a comfortable living in such a system. And those who think poorer people would be more rich if other people were just less rich indicate they have absolutely no clue in how such a system works.
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This mindset ignores history.

Over and over wealth and power concentrates in the hands of fewer and fewer people until this results in collapse or revolution.

For decades everybody got fatter at about the same rate.

Then in the mid seventies that abuptly ended.

And since that time corporate and private wealth has skyrocketed and wages have been flat.

Hunger for wealth/power is an addiction to neurochemicals.

And while not everybody who is wealthy or has power is an addict, the junkies set the tone for everything.

Because the advantages they get from being ruthless threaten the wealth and power of everybody else at their level and they follow suit to protect what they have.

History says that there IS something to be concerned about when almost all new wealth ends up in the hands of those who already have most of it.

Every revolt and social collapse not attributable to natural disaster is the result of this phenomenon.

We learn this lesson or repeat it.
 
Kreton said:
They benefit from them - however - the majority of their money comes from transactions. Take the Walton family. Walmart brings in billions of dollars a year. People literally line up to hand them money and then complain that they have too much money. It is incredible. Some things are unavoidable like utilities but almost everything else you have a choice. The choices consumers make determine where that money goes. Consumers, more than any other factor, choose to increase the wealth gap.
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Daggum lower income folks, choosing to increase their standard of living, even when their doing so also benefits rich people! :mad:
 
Bullseye said:
Not really true. Big companies are big because they consistently deliver quality goods and services at prices lower than their competitors.
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Because they're subsidized by the government directly and indirectly, and the efficiency of size.
 
What if...? said:
This mindset ignores history.

Over and over wealth and power concentrates in the hands of fewer and fewer people until this results in collapse or revolution.

For decades everybody got fatter at about the same rate.

Then in the mid seventies that abuptly ended.

And since that time corporate and private wealth has skyrocketed and wages have been flat.

Hunger for wealth/power is an addiction to neurochemicals.

And while not everybody who is wealthy or has power is an addict, the junkies set the tone for everything.

Because the advantages they get from being ruthless threaten the wealth and power of everybody else at their level and they follow suit to protect what they have.

History says that there IS something to be concerned about when almost all new wealth ends up in the hands of those who already have most of it.

Every revolt and social collapse not attributable to natural disaster is the result of this phenomenon.

We learn this lesson or repeat it.
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The mid 70's was about when the full effects of the so-called Great Society initiatives fully kicked in. I say again that it is mostly government policy/regulation and micromanagement that has created most of the income inequality in the United States.
 
What if...? said:
This mindset ignores history.

Over and over wealth and power concentrates in the hands of fewer and fewer people until this results in collapse or revolution.

For decades everybody got fatter at about the same rate.

Then in the mid seventies that abuptly ended.

And since that time corporate and private wealth has skyrocketed and wages have been flat.

Hunger for wealth/power is an addiction to neurochemicals.

And while not everybody who is wealthy or has power is an addict, the junkies set the tone for everything.

Because the advantages they get from being ruthless threaten the wealth and power of everybody else at their level and they follow suit to protect what they have.

History says that there IS something to be concerned about when almost all new wealth ends up in the hands of those who already have most of it.

Every revolt and social collapse not attributable to natural disaster is the result of this phenomenon.

We learn this lesson or repeat it.
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And yet, every year there are more and more millionaires.

You people are a crack up. You have it in your mind that 1-there is a magic distribution fairy that only gives wealth to the very wealthy and 2-that there is a finite number of pennies in the world and the rich are stealing all of the pennies from the poor.

No one is oppressing you. No one is limiting you. Well..no one but that person that stares back at you from your mirror telling you how unfair life is and how your dismal failures arent really your fault.
 
Bullseye said:
There you go being logical! A simple concept - the wealthy get that way ONLY WHEN people are willing to purchase their goods and services and when those goods and services are superior to the ones others sell.
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They are not superior - just cheaper. You think those $3 t shirts at walmart are superior to the ones sold in small stores? Not even close.
 
it is simple and can be fixed just as simply.

it is the tax code that has created income inequality in America. Trickle Down has worked just as designed.
 
Kreton said:
They are not superior - just cheaper. You think those $3 t shirts at walmart are superior to the ones sold in small stores? Not even close.
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Not what I think, it's what the consumer thinks. He patronizing businesses where he gets fair value for his money.
 
jbander said:
You can't give all the new wealth of a country to just a few golden few. Capitalism dies when the incentive of the possibility to get ahead is taken away. Which it has been the case since 1981. I would like the greatest most powerful richest country in the world, to stay capitalistic and a Republic. Not caring about the fact that the golden few get it all and in no way deserve it all is selling out my country.
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LOL. What a bunch of trash. You really are a piece of work. You want capitalism as long as it is socialism.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Being more snarky does not make you become any more correct.
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Oh good grief all you people need your hand held through everything -"you will die if you get cancer" tells you the same thing as
"Capitalism dies when the incentive of the possibility to get ahead is taken away. Which it has been the case since 1981." Neither one says when your going to die, it only says it will cause death and in no way says as you say that it means Capitalism died in 1981. Now do you want me to make a picture for you.
 
jbander said:
You can't give all the new wealth of a country to just a few golden few.
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Ok, I won't.

Capitalism dies when the incentive of the possibility to get ahead is taken away. Which it has been the case since 1981.
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Oh, really? Since that particular year, huh? Let me guess, the entire world abruptly changed on precisely January 20th, 1981. Before this date, there was glorious capitalism ripe with opportunity, and after this date, the opportunity was gone. Did I get that right?

Partisanship is a cognitive deficit.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Its really simple. You take 5% of all corporation profits and deposit it into every single Americans bank account at the end of each month. Americans turn around and put that 5% right back into the best corporations that are worth shopping at. This becomes a tax for bad corporations and a boon for good corporations. Eventually all the bad corporations die. The better the economy the more Americans get paid and can turn around and spend it right back into the economy. This can make it so that even the homeless become members of the economy!

This might turn the ultra rich into putting their money into investments only but eventually they have to get on board the corporate froth train or the world will move on without um.

5% peoples tax on corporations. Paid DIRECTLY to the people's pesonal bank account each month. No political skimming. No reroute of funds for "emergencies". Its THE PEOPLE's. Period.

I mean they are able to build their own personal froth funds on us by demanding mandatory health insurance and mandatory car insurance, inflating the prices for much less work. So why dont we do it to them?
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Not! the more corporation make does nothing in this country as far as wages are concerned . Even Adam Smith our first economist said in 179 something,"That at times the market doesn't control wages but business does." This is whats happening now and we have to stop it , it is in no way good for our economy or country- it's simply a small group of people saying they want it all but in no way deserve it all. But your idea is interesting.
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Kreton said:
Everything is wrong with this. First you are taking money from people for no reason. You are giving money to people for no reason. Then you are assuming that people will spend the money on "good corporations". Good business fail every day because they cannot compete with the bad ones. People will shop where it is cheap. All your plan does is give people free stuff from large corporations.
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Its the peoples bank account, doesn't say that any of them can draw from it , nor was that his point.
 
jbander said:
Look what happened in 81 the creation of the trickle down lie , that the whole world was sold on.
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OK, look how that was not reversed by the demorats when they had majority power - your claimed salvation mechanism.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Who cares those corporations dodge taxes and dick us all the time. Its our turn. The people need boost and we cant trust the government to spend our taxes right. So the people need a direct tax going direct to their bank account as a check and balance for modern times.
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Your right because taking away the incentive of the possibility to get ahead, then Capitalism dies and in this country this country dies with it. This has been the case since the trickle down lie of 1981, where everything was directed to the supply side and was sold to the public by the idea that it was suppose to trickle down. It didn't nor did they really think it would , they simply wanted it all and this was a way to do it. Since 81 2/3 of this country got none of the massive increase of new wealth in this country only the golden few did. That's the way the right wanted it and still wants it. But There are better ways to do it and it's a comedy act to suggest that cutting taxes, especially a massive cut on corporate tax is a route to anything other then getting it all to the top as fast as possible.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
OK, look how that was not reversed by the demorats when they had majority power - your claimed salvation mechanism.
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Yup the only reversals to this was done during democratic presidency's and then the hate party gets into office and turns it around and even makes it worse, the point is your party is a detriment to this country's economy . it always has been/
 
Kreton said:
I am all for more people getting more wealth, I really am. I do think the rich have too much money. However I do not support taking money from one person to give it to another. If you want to see wealth distributed more evenly then stop giving money to the uber wealthy. The poor and middle class of this country line up in droves to give money freely to those at the top.
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Instagram influencer...for example, now what the hell exactly is that?

I'm with ya on this. On the surface Jband's argument sounds good. But, when you dig a little deeper, it falls apart. Sure, no one wants the rich to just keep getting richer, but for decades now we've all known that standing still just means you fall further behind. And, IMO, our lower & middle class has, for the most part, been standing still. And, worse, they make detrimental financial decisions, like running up credit cards at 20% interest just to buy consumer goods.

Are they completely at fault? No. There are probably many factors at play for which they lack responsibility. For one, they are trapped in a system that sells the lie that people are rational. A system that villainizes laws and other government action designed to curtail irrational behavior is not exactly helping things. And, it is true, that we are bombarded with advertising which promote the irrational every day. So... :shrug:
 
AlbqOwl said:
Only the socialists and tinfoil hat crowd really believe it is impossible to get ahead because of income inequality. The fact is that the huge majority of the wealthy in this country are first generation wealthy and a generous plurality started with pretty much nothing when they began what would become their financial empires. Talent, ability, and work ethic is far more important than starting out with material advantage.

And with a few exceptions here and there, the only truly poor people in this country are those who refused to do what most people do to be unpoor, i.e. educate themselves, forego welfare in favor of McJobs that got their foot in the door and enabled them to develop work ethic and get experience and references to move up and onward, and who refrained from illegal substances and activities in order to possess a positive image and reputation.

It is mostly government regulation and micromanagement that creates most of the income inequaity in a democratic free market system. But those of us who were born with pretty much nothing have no barriers to accomplishing a comfortable living in such a system. And those who think poorer people would be more rich if other people were just less rich indicate they have absolutely no clue in how such a system works.
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Hear we go, the brain dead idea that there is socialism anywhere in this country, what a joke. When people say this they are simply saying that they have no idea what socialism is at all. , just there own definition of it . That's only done by weak minds.
 
VanceMack said:
It has been clearly demonstrated why so many leftists are so poor. They think someone is going around 'distributing wealth'.

Silly people.
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Good God, you poor people are as blind as a bat, I can tax all your wages away or tax none of your wages . So sorry the someone is actually a something , They are called taxes. Silly people
 
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