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Hospital Closings

The article the OP went with does not support the OP’s conclusions.
 
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/consequences-deadly-as-more-tn-hospitals-close

Good. **** ObamaCare. It was stealing money from the wage-earners to pay for bums.*


I hope this continues until someone gets a handle on Healthcare. It has to get worse before it gets better.


That news story had nothing to do with ObamaCare ... except the suggestion that if Tennessee had signed onto the Medicaid Expansion they might have saved the hospital and saved some lives.

But Tennessee didn't accept the Medicaid expansion so any hospitals which close and any people who die for lack of access to a nearby hospital ... all on Tennessee.

I guess I understand your hope to find some way to blame this on Obama instead of on Tennessee's failure to take care of their citizens ... but Obama had nothing to do with Tennessee's failures
 
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The article the OP went with does not support the OP’s conclusions.

That’s not what the OP is about....


Slash and burn...........flame out in a blaze of glory.....
 
At my last forum there one guy was always holding Tennessee up as a model of fiscal responsibility and ability to take care of its people.

Maybe I should peek in to see what he has to say about this.
 
That news story had nothing to do with ObamaCare ... except the suggestion that if Tennessee had signed onto the Medicare Expansion they might have saved the hospital and saved some lives.

But Tennessee didn't accept the Medicaid expansion so any hospitals which close and any people who die for lack of access to a nearby hospital ... all on Tennessee.

I guess I understand your hope to find some way to blame this on Obama instead of on Tennessee's failure to take care of their citizens ... but Obama had nothing to do with Tennessee's failures

The*Supreme Court said Obamacare bill was a tax.

When you want more Obamacare, you are literally wanting more taxes

Leftist fools like Mark believes that the govt is benevolent enough to take my money and give it to foreign nationals that come here illegally because they need my money more than I do....
 
Sort of sounds like this town of 5,000 couldn't support a 45-bed hospital.
 
The*Supreme Court said Obamacare bill was a tax.

When you want more Obamacare, you are literally wanting more taxes

Leftist fools like Mark believes that the govt is benevolent enough to take my money and give it to foreign nationals that come here illegally because they need my money more than I do....


And this has NOTHING to do with Tennessee failing to provide adequate hospital access to its citizens.

This is all on Tennessee. You trying to find a way to blame Obama for this is very strange.
 
I blame the hospital closing on gay marriage.
 
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/consequences-deadly-as-more-tn-hospitals-close

Good. **** ObamaCare. It was stealing money from the wage-earners to pay for bums.*


I hope this continues until someone gets a handle on Healthcare. It has to get worse before it gets better.

That is a bit harsh...

But the problem I see is America's previous administrations have embarked on a war against work!

We bring in cheap immigrants to replace citizens' middle class jobs, then we put those citizens on the social safety net AKA, welfare of one sort of another. Yet the social costs of many immigrants eventually land on the social burden of the country in one way or another. And one way is the excessive use of Medicaid and ER visits for the poor, which make hospitals run on a loss. Add that to Medicare of an aging population, and slimmed down medical plans due to Obamacare, and hospital system begins to die.

Rich or poor, your $250,000 heart attack is paid by someone, usually at 50 cents on the dollar.

We seem to have predetermined that business has the right to keep wages so low 25% of jobs have become "jobs American's won't do", and we allow excessive immigration to guarantee it.

The result of that attitude is accepting the fact that low wages don't pay the true cost of employment and the taxpayers pick up the difference.

The only solution is higher employment.
 
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/consequences-deadly-as-more-tn-hospitals-close

Good. **** ObamaCare. It was stealing money from the wage-earners to pay for bums.*


I hope this continues until someone gets a handle on Healthcare. It has to get worse before it gets better.

Your article states that TN not expanding Medicaid is a (major?) factor in deciding to close that hospital - how does that make PPACA the cause? It would seem that the cause is EMTALA (the forced granting of unpaid care), but not the option to have much of that care paid for by expanding Medicaid.
 
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/consequences-deadly-as-more-tn-hospitals-close

Good. **** ObamaCare. It was stealing money from the wage-earners to pay for bums.*

I hope this continues until someone gets a handle on Healthcare. It has to get worse before it gets better.
You hope that what continues? That rural hospitals will continue to shut down? That rural residents will have to travel further to reach an emergency room? That more births will take place on the side of the road, instead of in a hospital?

As noted, this hospital isn't closing because of the ACA. If Tennessee had opted for the Medicaid expansion under the ACA, it might not need to close.

And who are these "bums?" 60% of Medicaid patients work; 14% are ill or disabled; 12% take care of someone in the home; 6% are students; 3% are retired.
 
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/consequences-deadly-as-more-tn-hospitals-close

Good. **** ObamaCare. It was stealing money from the wage-earners to pay for bums.*


I hope this continues until someone gets a handle on Healthcare. It has to get worse before it gets better.

Actually the Obamacare, ACA actually helped both doctors and hospital, especially those with ER's get paid. Before most hospitals had huge uncollectible accounts due to people lacking health insurance. Many times those without health insurance would go to the local ER to get care when needed, then the hospital would have to write off the visits as uncollectible. Our locally owned hospital had uncollectible accounts of over 1 million dollars over a two year period. These became much less as more people had some form of insurance. So the OP's argument that the ACA caused hospitals to close is wrong.
 
Of*course if those hospitals didn't have to provide service to ILLEGALS draining the system they might still be in business....YOU SHOULD*START your own hospital and show the world how it's done.
 
But the problem I see is America's previous administrations have embarked on a war against work!
Please.


We bring in cheap immigrants to replace citizens' middle class jobs, then we put those citizens on the social safety net AKA, welfare of one sort of another. Yet the social costs of many immigrants eventually land on the social burden of the country in one way or another.
Yeah, that's all nonsense.

The US has enacted increasingly strict immigration policies for years. Ironically, the strict policies backfire. When the border was easy to cross, migrants would come to the US to work, and then turn around and go home. As crossing the border becomes more difficult and expensive and outright dangerous, those migrants come to the US and stay in the US.

Foreign migrants aren't taking middle-income jobs, they're taking low-income and low-education jobs, such as farming, or the low end of construction, or in sweat shops. It is automation that has mostly killed the low-education middle-income job, notably in manufacturing. They do displace some workers, but they aren't displacing a lot of middle-income jobs.

And again, strict enforcement of immigration laws backfires. If companies can't hire cheap labor in the US, they will automate or outsource it. US companies can either hire cheap labor in the US or hire it elsewhere; what's your preference?

Immigrants (documented and otherwise) don't produce a massive "social burden." They increase growth, because while in the US they need to buy food, rent homes, drive to work, buy clothes and so on. Many of them pay taxes for services they will never receive, too.

Blaming immigrants for the health system Americans created, mostly by conservatives demanding free-market solutions, does not fly.


And one way is the excessive use of Medicaid and ER visits for the poor, which make hospitals run on a loss. Add that to Medicare of an aging population, and slimmed down medical plans due to Obamacare, and hospital system begins to die.
Try again.

People overuse emergency rooms because they don't have access to decent health care, and the ER can't turn people away based on the ability to pay. If we had a more rational system, where doctors were better distributed and routine office visits were mostly covered (i.e. pretty much everywhere except the US), there would be far less inappropriate use of ERs.

For this very reason, Medicaid isn't bankrupting hospitals. In fact, in the OP's article, the hospital failed because Tennessee refused to expand Medicaid. Instead of getting paid to help poor people, they simply bill them and the bills go unpaid.


The only solution is higher employment.
Uh, hello? Unemployment is below 4%. It's been falling since 2009. Unemployment hasn't been this low in decades.

Employment isn't the problem, especially since fewer and fewer jobs now offer health insurance. It's that we have this screwed-up system which turns medicine into a profit center, which produces all sorts of inappropriate incentives; and to cope with it, we have an awful system where insurers act as middle men, driving up prices while trying to profit by covering as little as possible, and setting up games where hospitals pretend to charge $250,000 for a heart attack because that's the start of negotiations with the insurers.
 
Of*course if those hospitals didn't have to provide service to ILLEGALS draining the system they might still be in business....YOU SHOULD*START your own hospital and show the world how it's done.

How many illegals was this hospital in rural Tennessee inundated by?
 
Please.



Yeah, that's all nonsense.

The US has enacted increasingly strict immigration policies for years. Ironically, the strict policies backfire. When the border was easy to cross, migrants would come to the US to work, and then turn around and go home. As crossing the border becomes more difficult and expensive and outright dangerous, those migrants come to the US and stay in the US.

Foreign migrants aren't taking middle-income jobs, they're taking low-income and low-education jobs, such as farming, or the low end of construction, or in sweat shops. It is automation that has mostly killed the low-education middle-income job, notably in manufacturing. They do displace some workers, but they aren't displacing a lot of middle-income jobs.

And again, strict enforcement of immigration laws backfires. If companies can't hire cheap labor in the US, they will automate or outsource it. US companies can either hire cheap labor in the US or hire it elsewhere; what's your preference?

Immigrants (documented and otherwise) don't produce a massive "social burden." They increase growth, because while in the US they need to buy food, rent homes, drive to work, buy clothes and so on. Many of them pay taxes for services they will never receive, too.

Blaming immigrants for the health system Americans created, mostly by conservatives demanding free-market solutions, does not fly.



Try again.

People overuse emergency rooms because they don't have access to decent health care, and the ER can't turn people away based on the ability to pay. If we had a more rational system, where doctors were better distributed and routine office visits were mostly covered (i.e. pretty much everywhere except the US), there would be far less inappropriate use of ERs.

For this very reason, Medicaid isn't bankrupting hospitals. In fact, in the OP's article, the hospital failed because Tennessee refused to expand Medicaid. Instead of getting paid to help poor people, they simply bill them and the bills go unpaid.



Uh, hello? Unemployment is below 4%. It's been falling since 2009. Unemployment hasn't been this low in decades.

Employment isn't the problem, especially since fewer and fewer jobs now offer health insurance. It's that we have this screwed-up system which turns medicine into a profit center, which produces all sorts of inappropriate incentives; and to cope with it, we have an awful system where insurers act as middle men, driving up prices while trying to profit by covering as little as possible, and setting up games where hospitals pretend to charge $250,000 for a heart attack because that's the start of negotiations with the insurers.

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ONE*is*ONE TOO*MANY*
One single undocumented immigrant did not cause that hospital to go bankrupt.

It's a hospital in rural Tennessee. The county is not overwhelmed by immigrants. Your xenophobic impulse to blame anything and everything on immigrants is, to put it mildly, irrational and does not even remotely fit the facts of the situation.
 
Hospitals have been closing for 20 or 30 years.

The Right wing craziness is making more close now.

There are many causes, starting with kids leaving rural areas.

There is actually only one solution. Single payer.
 
Obamacare is to blame because?

Unaffordable healthcare.
Monthly premiums has skyrocketed. my girlfriend had paid $75.00 a month before obamascare took hold. The cheapest premium she's paying now is $535 a month with high deductibles. Many hospitals and carriers has taken a exit from this dude's healthscare. Why pay for healthcare for illegals and such ?
obamascare must go.
 
Unaffordable healthcare.
Monthly premiums has skyrocketed. my girlfriend had paid $75.00 a month before obamascare took hold. The cheapest premium she's paying now is $535 a month with high deductibles. Many hospitals and carriers has taken a exit from this dude's healthscare. Why pay for healthcare for illegals and such ?
obamascare must go.

Cheaper partial cover is no good when they tell you your illness doesn't fit your inadequate policy. Like having third party only cover when you crash your car, you get nothing.

As to "heathcare for illegals" (and fellow Americans) if their TB is treated then they can't give it to you.
 
Of*course if those hospitals didn't have to provide service to ILLEGALS draining the system they might still be in business....YOU SHOULD*START your own hospital and show the world how it's done.

Yeah, Carroll County is 87% white, 10% black, and about 2.5% Hispanic. The problem isn't "ILLEGALS" but good job blaming the bad brown people for problems in white, rural America.
 
Unaffordable healthcare.
Monthly premiums has skyrocketed. my girlfriend had paid $75.00 a month before obamascare took hold. The cheapest premium she's paying now is $535 a month with high deductibles. Many hospitals and carriers has taken a exit from this dude's healthscare. Why pay for healthcare for illegals and such ?
obamascare must go.

No one had real health insurance for $75 a month. :roll:
 
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