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Hospital Closings

PTF said:
Unaffordable healthcare.
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If the ACA made health care "unaffordable," then why did the number of uninsured drop?

Do you really want to remove the following:
• Insurers cannot refuse to cover individuals with pre-existing conditions
• Insurers cannot drop coverage for policy holders who become ill
• Parents can keep their kids on their insurance until they are 26
• Insurance exchanges which make it easy for you to compare plans
• Closing the "Donut Hole" in Medicare Part D coverage
• Generic versions of biologic drugs are allowed
• Coverage for preventative care
• Insurers who pay more than 20% of premiums on administrative costs and profits have to refund policy holders

The reality is that most Americans really like the benefits of the ACA. What they don't like is that they have to pay for those benefits. What a surprise.

And yes, this can't work without the mandate -- which, by the way, was originally a conservative innovation (Romney called it the "personal responsibility principle"). Without the mandate, people can sign up for insurance only when they get sick, and drop it when they get healthy again; the mandate solves the freeloader problem.


Monthly premiums has skyrocketed.
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* bzzt * wrong, premiums were skyrocketing for years before the ACA. Premiums rose less under the ACA than before it.

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By the way, hospitals don't pay insurance premiums.


my girlfriend had paid $75.00 a month before obamascare took hold. The cheapest premium she's paying now is $535 a month with high deductibles.
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Riiiiiiiight


Many hospitals and carriers has taken a exit from this dude's healthscare. Why pay for healthcare for illegals and such ?
obamascare must go.
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Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for health insurance via the ACA.

Undocumented immigrants did not sink a hospital in rural Tennessee that is 87% white and 10% black.

The laws requiring emergency rooms to treat anyone regardless of insurance or ability to pay dates back to 1986. The ACA has actually made this better for hospitals in most states, because people who otherwise could not pay now have coverage. Tennessee is one of the states that refused the Medicaid expansion, and that probably contributed to this specific hospital's failure.

Oh, really? So you want to go back to double-digit increases in health insurance premiums? To insurers finding any excuse to fight with policy holders over coverage? To insurers refusing to cover people on the flimsiest of excuses? Pass.
 
Greenbeard said:
Sort of sounds like this town of 5,000 couldn't support a 45-bed hospital.
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Exactly. Rural hospitals are pretty much a thing of the past in most other states. The health program of sparsely populated counties in Texas involves getting patients to a big city with vans or ambulances and then maybe having a nurse practitioner come out one or two days a week to take care of immunizations and the like. In Texas, rural hospitals were cut down 50 years ago by Medicare regulations that made it too expensive for them to operate. It sounds like Tennessee has kept them open with state subsidies all this time.
 
LewisTT said:
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/consequences-deadly-as-more-tn-hospitals-close

Good. **** ObamaCare. It was stealing money from the wage-earners to pay for bums.*


I hope this continues until someone gets a handle on Healthcare. It has to get worse before it gets better.
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Actually what we're experiencing in small local hospitals is something we're going to be seeing more of if any Trump proposed additional cuts in Medicaid spending gets passed. 13M more people will become uninsured in the next decade, and many face premium increases of up to 10%. Less people are paying for health insurance since Trump repealed the mandatory enrollment in the ACA. That was one big costly mistake on the part of Republicans because it drives the cost of healthcare up for millions of others who can't afford it, and don't have any healthcare insurance at all. Now, instead of going for routine preventative checkups they're crowding the emergency rooms. Hospitals that are earning less per patient treated, sometimes far less money than it cost to provide the care. You don’t need to have an MBA to know that this practice is unsustainable. This is a strain on any hospital's budget. Most people seeking what should be routine medical care through emergency room visits can't be denied medical care. So, free care for them and costly expenditures for hospitals. It's making hospitals who already had a very narrow profit margin, go broke.

We're going to see more and more local hospitals close their doors, it's just not a viable business when their bottom line is always red. Hospitals that aren't profitable will not be used as a big charity for people without health insurance. The repeal of the ACA mandate hurt hospitals and destabilized the insurance markets which contributed to rising premiums resulting in millions of people losing health insurance.

People on the right cheered when the individual mandate of the ACA was repealed, little did they know what a monster they were unleashing on the American public.
 
Oh yes, one other thing. In his quest to destroy anything to do with the ACA, your president and the Republican Congress wants the pre-existing clause removed from the new healthcare act. You heard it I'm sure, but do people really, and I mean really understand what that will mean for millions of people?

Thank God that the Democrats filed a lawsuit in June to stop this from happening. It's in the courts hands now. The Texas-led lawsuit filed earlier this year claims that Congress’ decision to eliminate the individual mandate penalty, which goes into effect in 2019, should render the entire health care law invalid. Once the heart of the ACA—the individual mandate—is declared unconstitutional, the remainder of the ACA must also fall. Thus the pre-existing clause that now exists will also disappear.

Trump and his administration are taking steps to lower premiums, increase choice and foster competition in the health insurance market. All of that sounds good -- until one realizes that the changes are coming largely at the expense of millions of Americans with pre-existing conditions.

Obamacare revolutionized health insurance for people with pre-existing conditions. Under the health reform law, insurers could no longer deny coverage to consumers because of their medical history or base premiums on it. Also, carriers were required to cover 10 essential health benefits, including maternity care, mental health services and prescription drugs. All of that will immediately go away with the repeal of the ACA.

As many as 130 million adults under age 65 in the U.S. have pre-existing conditions that could result in their not being able to get insurance coverage in the private market, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. SO....if you have a mom with cancer or a dad with leukemia or Parkinson's, just keep praying to your kind Christian God to find them a cure, and fast.
 
LewisTT said:
The*Supreme Court said Obamacare bill was a tax.

When you want more Obamacare, you are literally wanting more taxes
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And you wind up paying less than if you allow states to let needed hospitals just close down. But you wouldn't understand that.

LewisTT said:
Leftist fools like Mark believes that the govt is benevolent enough to take my money and give it to foreign nationals that come here illegally because they need my money more than I do....
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The article makes NO mention of "immigrants", "aliens", or "illegals" whatsoever, so you're just throwing that in as a straw man argument.
The consequences of shutting down the ONLY emergency room in Carroll County affect EVERY single person living there, citizens and non-citizens alike.

Do YOU live in Carroll County? Do you even live IN Tennessee at all?
Leftist fools? I don't think that I get to refer to you as a Right Wing Retard in return, because it would be frowned upon.
 
Greenbeard said:
Sort of sounds like this town of 5,000 couldn't support a 45-bed hospital.
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Towns should not have to be able "to support" a hospital...medical care should be available anyway.
Because if you want a civilized country, that's what you have to do, you have to MAKE health care accessible, even in the small towns.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Towns should not have to be able "to support" a hospital...medical care should be available anyway.
Because if you want a civilized country, that's what you have to do, you have to MAKE health care accessible, even in the small towns.
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Consider that staffing dozens of beds that no one is occupying is a poor use of health care resources and funds that could be otherwise directed.
 
LewisTT said:
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/consequences-deadly-as-more-tn-hospitals-close

Good. **** ObamaCare. It was stealing money from the wage-earners to pay for bums.*
It has to get worse before it gets better.
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Here's what's getting worse, jerks who think that millions of working Americans "JUST DECIDED TO BECOME BUMS because they thought it might be fun".
There aren't very many "bums" in a rural county in the middle of Tennessee, it's not the kind of environment that is conducive to the bum lifestyle.
When it does get worse, at the point when the pitchforks come out, they're going to come after the assholes first because working people who can't make ends meet despite working their tails off don't take kindly to being called BUMS by random jerks.
 
LewisTT said:
Of*course if those hospitals didn't have to provide service to ILLEGALS draining the system they might still be in business....YOU SHOULD*START your own hospital and show the world how it's done.
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I guess you mean the imaginary illegals that live in the bubble in your mind.

CARROLL COUNTY TENNESSEE:

The racial makeup of the county was 87.68% White, 10.35% Black or African American, 0.24% Native American, 0.16% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 0.45% from other races, and 1.10% from two or more races. 1.41% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

Keep running your ignorant rants, it's amusing...well...at least at first.
 
PTF said:
Unaffordable healthcare.
Monthly premiums has skyrocketed. my girlfriend had paid $75.00 a month before obamascare took hold. The cheapest premium she's paying now is $535 a month with high deductibles. Many hospitals and carriers has taken a exit from this dude's healthscare. Why pay for healthcare for illegals and such ?
obamascare must go.
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Did she ever have to USE that prior 75 dollar a month policy for anything catastrophic?
And illegals don't even exist in Carroll County TN, the location of this story, so blathering ignorantly about illegals is blathering in ignorance. By all means please carry on.
 
PTF said:
80 percent coverage.
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Bullcrap, not because it did not SAY "80 percent coverage"...I'm sure the phrase popped up somewhere, but because a phrase like that doesn't begin to describe WHAT is covered, and NO health policy just covers "80 percent of EVERY THING across the board" for 75 bucks a month.
Don't insult our intelligence. People on DP buy health insurance, so they know your BS-ing.
 
Greenbeard said:
Consider that staffing dozens of beds that no one is occupying is a poor use of health care resources and funds that could be otherwise directed.
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Perhaps BUT if it is the ONLY operating ER in an entire COUNTY, losing it means that a lot of people are going to simply DIE.
They will! They will DIE, they will DIE from preventable issues, things like a minor heart attack going to "holy krap" level on the one hour ambulance ride to the next county, for instance.
Babies which stop breathing will DIE because they can't get to an ER quick enough.


Simply put, the number of people who don't HAVE to DIE - - BUT WHO WILL DIE, is going to double or triple in Carroll County Tennessee.
COUNT on it.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Perhaps BUT if it is the ONLY operating ER in an entire COUNTY, losing it means that a lot of people are going to simply DIE.
They will! They will DIE, they will DIE from preventable issues, things like a minor heart attack going to "holy krap" level on the one hour ambulance ride to the next county, for instance.
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Then perhaps what they need is a freestanding emergency department, not a 45-bed acute care facility.

As it is, looks like there's an emergency department ten miles away.

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PTF said:
Unaffordable healthcare.
Monthly premiums has skyrocketed. my girlfriend had paid $75.00 a month before obamascare took hold. The cheapest premium she's paying now is $535 a month with high deductibles. Many hospitals and carriers has taken a exit from this dude's healthscare. Why pay for healthcare for illegals and such ?
obamascare must go.
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How does that effect the hospital's decision to stay open? All you have presented is a better case for single-payer.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
1.41% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.
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Sure, only a small percent, but they're the rapists, murderers, bringing crime, and they're brown skinned people who might want to date our daughters! Although some, I assume, are good people.

Trump told us so!

The moral of the story: Don't be a Trump Chump.
 
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