What's wrong with being a SJW?

Wasn't Martin Luther King Jr a SJW? Wasn't Gandhi a SJW? Were abolitionists SJWs?

Is it that there is no more injustice? Are we living in a paradise ruined by SJW's who are in denial of the perfection of our society?

SonOfDaedalus said:

Wasn't Martin Luther King Jr a SJW? Wasn't Gandhi a SJW? Were abolitionists SJWs?

Is it that there is no more injustice? Are we living in a paradise ruined by SJW's who are in denial of the perfection of our society?

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the people pretending to be sjw are not. they are people that just riot in the streets, burn down businesses, and force people to think their way. its fascist.

they cover their faces at a bunch of their rallies too. much like the klan does.

the antifa/sjw are just the lefts version of the hateful klan.

biglawnmower said:

the people pretending to be sjw are not. they are people that just riot in the streets, burn down businesses, and force people to think their way. its fascist.

they cover their faces at a bunch of their rallies too. much like the klan does.

the antifa/sjw are just the lefts version of the hateful klan.

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It sounds like you're talking about Antifa. Is everyone who cares about social justice an Antifa member?

SonOfDaedalus said:

Wasn't Martin Luther King Jr a SJW? Wasn't Gandhi a SJW? Were abolitionists SJWs?

Is it that there is no more injustice? Are we living in a paradise ruined by SJW's who are in denial of the perfection of our society?

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I don't think either of your examples would appreciate being called warriors of any sort.

Certainly there is injustice, and it should be confronted, but I think there's a distinction between convincing people you are right, and shaming them because you think they are wrong.

SonOfDaedalus said:

It sounds like you're talking about Antifa. Is everyone who cares about social justice an Antifa member?

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they are one in the same

WillyPete said:

I don't think either of your examples would appreciate being called warriors of any sort.

Certainly there is injustice, and it should be confronted, but I think there's a distinction between convincing people you are right, and shaming them because you think they are wrong.

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I'm pretty sure MLK's strategy of non-violent resistance was to shame White America into seeing that what they were doing was wrong.

I'm curious, what social injustices do you care about?

I didn't know Gandhi was a Single Jewish Woman.

SonOfDaedalus said:

Wasn't Martin Luther King Jr a SJW? Wasn't Gandhi a SJW? Were abolitionists SJWs?

Is it that there is no more injustice? Are we living in a paradise ruined by SJW's who are in denial of the perfection of our society?

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Everything.

And no, MLK nor Ganhi were SJW's. They were products of their time. And the term SJW is a term of OUR time. Hilarious how any modern day SJW would compare themselves to be even close to the same league as MLK or Gandhi.... there are no similarities, whatsoever.

The biggest thing that is wrong with being an SJW is their collectivist tribal outlook on the world. It breeds an environment of collectivism and tribalism when we need less.

Another thing that is wrong with being an SJW is the concept of truth being subjective... that the world is not guided by truth, but power-struggles between groups.

Nazi's were SJWs. Very little difference... they felt the German race was being dealt a large injustice, and it was their time to rise.... they also found racial and ideological enemies. The National socialist party of Germany was extremely collectivist, all government resources and regulations were made to benefit the overall country itself, bottom 50% of the population paid zero taxes, public utilities were taken by the government, and rationing.

Individualism is what is just. It is the idea of individualism that made MLK's speech permanently welded into history, that we may all one day treat each other by the content of our character and not the color of our skin.
SJWs do the opposite, they WANT us to judge people by the color of their skin and not their character. You are to forget character and embrace equality of outcome instead... anything that is not equal is due to injustice.

SJW's make the very things they supposedly want to improve, worse. They tribalise people, and are anti-individualists.

SonOfDaedalus said:

I'm pretty sure MLK's strategy of non-violent resistance was to shame White America into seeing that what they were doing was wrong.

I'm curious, what social injustices do you care about?

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I'll admit I'm not particularly knowledgeable about MLK, Jr., but I don't recall him pronouncing shame upon them. He showed them a positive examples of black America. If they felt shame as they struggled to rationalize treating them poorly without the usual excuses, that's a bit different, though perhaps by not so much.

I see the elites actively hoarding power at the expense of the masses as the largest injustice in the U.S. today.

biglawnmower said:

they are one in the same

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As noted elsewhere, I presume you are including MLK, Ghandi, Cesar Chavez, et al. Heck, why not toss in Raul Wallenberg, an old-time guy, a Nazi party member, who cared about social justice. I suppose he was profa and antifa at the same time. .

Why do some conservatives persist in the delusion that anyone who say, thinks women should be paid the same as men is no different than mask wearing destructive idiots? I don’t thing Marco Rubio is a Nazi, though he is pretty far to the right of me.

biglawnmower said:

the people pretending to be sjw are not. they are people that just riot in the streets, burn down businesses, and force people to think their way. its fascist.

they cover their faces at a bunch of their rallies too. much like the klan does.

the antifa/sjw are just the lefts version of the hateful klan.

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Stereotype much?:roll:

Nickyjo said:

As noted elsewhere, I presume you are including MLK, Ghandi, Cesar Chavez, et al. Heck, why not toss in Raul Wallenberg, an old-time guy, a Nazi party member, who cared about social justice. I suppose he was profa and antifa at the same time. .

Why do some conservatives persist in the delusion that anyone who say, thinks women should be paid the same as men is no different than mask wearing destructive idiots? I don’t thing Marco Rubio is a Nazi, though he is pretty far to the right of me.

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if you are equating mlk to the sjw nowadays that just assault police and burn down small businesses without an actual message...then congratulations. you proved us all right about the alt left nutjobs

SonOfDaedalus said:

Wasn't Martin Luther King Jr a SJW? Wasn't Gandhi a SJW? Were abolitionists SJWs?

Is it that there is no more injustice? Are we living in a paradise ruined by SJW's who are in denial of the perfection of our society?

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When those on the right use the term SJW it is typically used as a pejorative to those that typically go to the extreme and view everything through the social justice lense without taking in possible variables that could contribute to the injustice. I doubt you will find few, if any, that would classify MLK or Ghandi as SJWs on the right.

For instance, some would view Serena William's jump to sexism as the reasoning behind her treatment at the US open would constitute a SJW mentality. As Stephen A. Smith points out when discussing this issue, Ramos has a history of being a stickler for the rules and has treated men the same way so to blame sexism is not appropriate in this case.

Nickyjo said:

As noted elsewhere, I presume you are including MLK, Ghandi, Cesar Chavez, et al. Heck, why not toss in Raul Wallenberg, an old-time guy, a Nazi party member, who cared about social justice. I suppose he was profa and antifa at the same time. .

Why do some conservatives persist in the delusion that anyone who say, thinks women should be paid the same as men is no different than mask wearing destructive idiots? I don’t thing Marco Rubio is a Nazi, though he is pretty far to the right of me.

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Practically everyone (right, left, and center) in the US believes that women should be paid the same as men for equal work.

Nap said:

Practically everyone (right, left, and center) in the US believes that women should be paid the same as men for equal work.

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And yet they still aren't.

I think that goes to show us the whole right-left thing isn't the real struggle.

SonOfDaedalus said:

Wasn't Martin Luther King Jr a SJW? Wasn't Gandhi a SJW? Were abolitionists SJWs?

Is it that there is no more injustice? Are we living in a paradise ruined by SJW's who are in denial of the perfection of our society?

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Trump is a SJW, and he is doing a great job by normal standards.

WillyPete said:

And yet they still aren't.

I think that goes to show us the whole right-left thing isn't the real struggle.

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It is already illegal to pay women less than a man in the same position. The "gender pay gap" for the most part is trying to view a multivariate issue and simply saying sexism without objectively looking at the situation. When you account for hours worked, chosen profession, etc the pay gap is virtually eliminated. Are there some individuals that experience discrimination? Yes, and they should be exposed and prosecuted. As a group however, virtually every hurdle women faced to reaching equality of opportunity has been erased.

The problem isn’t being an SJW, it’s becoming radicalized and/or extremist.

Absolutely nothing, the rage against SJWs is rooted in the same logic as the rage against feminists. People go out of their way to bitch about the most extreme and unreasonable arguments of SJWs to set up a straw man they can then attack and feel good about themselves.

SonOfDaedalus said:

Wasn't Martin Luther King Jr a SJW? Wasn't Gandhi a SJW? Were abolitionists SJWs?

Is it that there is no more injustice? Are we living in a paradise ruined by SJW's who are in denial of the perfection of our society?

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The "SJW" slur has been overused to the point that is means almost nothing any more.

* You support LGBTQ rights? You're probably an "SJW."
* You don't like racism? You're probably an "SJW."
* You support women's rights? You're definitely an "SJW."
* You are willing to entertain the notion that some people have it harder than others, and it can't just be explained away by economics or personal decision making? You're probably an "SJW."

So when I hear people toss around the slur as if they were qualified enough to actually know what a social justice warrior is, I just roll my eyes and move onto the truth.

SonOfDaedalus said:

Wasn't Martin Luther King Jr a SJW? Wasn't Gandhi a SJW? Were abolitionists SJWs?

Is it that there is no more injustice? Are we living in a paradise ruined by SJW's who are in denial of the perfection of our society?

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I'm not particularly fond of the term, because I find that it's been rendered useless. For starters, given absolutely no context, 'Social Justice Warrior' actually sounds like a good thing, when I'm pretty sure that it never carried that implication. The second problem I have with the term, is that different people are going to label different types of people in this manner, I think the term becomes useless as an insult when it starts getting applied to literally anyone who voices any sort of empathy towards minorities and a liberal stance on social issues.

When differentiating between the far ends of the spectrum of social liberalism, I tend to just classify social lefties as either progressive or regressive. I feel like when you come out in favor of limiting free-speech for people you don't like, when tolerance starts to stretch into the territory of tolerating intolerance, when liberals start advocating for Nazi-punching and the like, that's not progressive.

No, I don't think MLK was an 'SJW'. The reason why he became the face of the 1950's/1960's civil rights movement, was because his tactics relied heavily on strict non-violence, which was a genius PR move in an age where TV was first starting to really kick off.

SonOfDaedalus said:

Wasn't Martin Luther King Jr a SJW? Wasn't Gandhi a SJW? Were abolitionists SJWs?

Is it that there is no more injustice? Are we living in a paradise ruined by SJW's who are in denial of the perfection of our society?

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"The perfection of our society"?

That's the problem right there. Just because one person thinks life would be perfect one way doesn't give him or her the right to impose that model on everyone else.

DH Kirkwood said:

I'm not particularly fond of the term, because I find that it's been rendered useless. For starters, given absolutely no context, 'Social Justice Warrior' actually sounds like a good thing, when I'm pretty sure that it never carried that implication. The second problem I have with the term, is that different people are going to label different types of people in this manner, I think the term becomes useless as an insult when it starts getting applied to literally anyone who voices any sort of empathy towards minorities and a liberal stance on social issues.

When differentiating between the far ends of the spectrum of social liberalism, I tend to just classify social lefties as either progressive or regressive. I feel like when you come out in favor of limiting free-speech for people you don't like, when tolerance starts to stretch into the territory of tolerating intolerance, when liberals start advocating for Nazi-punching and the like, that's not progressive.

No, I don't think MLK was an 'SJW'. The reason why he became the face of the 1950's/1960's civil rights movement, was because his tactics relied heavily on strict non-violence, which was a genius PR move in an age where TV was first starting to really kick off.

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Well said, particularly the bolded. :thumbs:

Phys251 said:

The "SJW" slur has been overused to the point that is means almost nothing any more.

* You support LGBTQ rights? You're probably an "SJW."
* You don't like racism? You're probably an "SJW."
* You support women's rights? You're definitely an "SJW."
* You are willing to entertain the notion that some people have it harder than others, and it can't just be explained away by economics or personal decision making? You're probably an "SJW."

So when I hear people toss around the slur as if they were qualified enough to actually know what a social justice warrior is, I just roll my eyes and move onto the truth.

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I do not think so. These are simply socially liberal positions, and one that many conservatives share. Progressivism has two interlinked branches to it. One is to provide rights to those progressives believe are oppressed; the second is to vanquish their oppressors. While the term is overused and I never apply the label "SJW" to anyone, in my mind what makes a "Social Justice Warrior" isn't simply cleaving to socially-progressive positions. It is when they actually try to destroy those they believe are oppressing the oppressed. Actively trying to ruin livelihoods, get people fired, making sure those that use the language of oppression are unable to speak publicly...these are the activities of so-called social justice warriors. In the fight against oppression, the oppressor must be destroyed.

Felis Leo said:

I do not think so. These are simply socially liberal positions, and one that many conservatives share.

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In what universe? Social conservatives are people who tend to think that something is wrong with people who identify as transgender. They can be so hypersensitive about exploring gender that you have to walk on eggshells with them just to get anywhere. How ironic--most people who decry hypersensitivity in others are some of the most hypersensitive people you will ever meet.