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Louisiana town bans purchases of all Nike products

Yeah im not seeing anything illegal by electing not to carry to vertain companies products. It would be ironic if running that ad cost nike everything. Not saying it would but i am curious how bad sales wpuld need to get before they dumped the ad. What is their price?

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It doesn’t violate Nike’s speech rights. The government, in expenditure of its money to purchase products, like sports apparel, to be owned and used by the government, isn’t constrained by the 1st Amendment speech clause.


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How is Nike censored by the government’s refusal to buy Nike products with taxpayer dollars? Nike isn’t censored. Nike is not prohibited from speaking.

I never said they were censored. Not sure where you got that from.

It’s ludicrous to think a public school district cannot refuse to purchase school books from a business making/publishing those books on the basis the books glorify the racist ideology of the Confederacy, because such refusal would violate the free speech rights of the business making/publishing those books.

That is very ludicrous indeed. But not the same thing as what we are discussing. I'm not arguing in any way that stopping the city from purchasing any Nike products is illegal, and I'm definitely not saying that it violates Nike's freedom of speech. I strongly encourage you to stick to exactly what I have said, not what you think I'm saying. Also, I strongly encourage a simple question to ensure that I actually think what you think I think.

The thing we are discussing is an instance where a government is directing funds based on politics. I'm not sure if this example is illegal or not, but I can think of similar examples. Such as when Louisiana tried to stop the funding of Planned Parenthood for non abortion related services from medicaid. The judge declared that the decision was politically motivated and biased, therefor issued an injunction against it. Mind you, this ruling was in line with numerous other rulings by other courts. So in my mind, if a court can say "you aren't allowed to block this completely legal medical organization from government funds simply because you don't like their politics" it might be similar to "you can't block government funding from this apparel company simply because you don't like their politics."
 
Wondering what conservatives Independents and liberals on this forum think about this

https://sports.yahoo.com/louisiana-town-bans-purchases-nike-products-202823528.html

No worse than the mayor of SF ordering city employees to not visit Rapid City, SD on business due to political reasons.
...or the black mayor of Vicksburg, MS telling the city to only contract with black-owned businesses.

Racism and political favoritism is alive and well in the USA.
Both the right and left do it all the time.
 
I don't mind this move. I love shopping at Kohl's (department store) because they give awesome discounts. One of the few brands they're not allowed to give discounts on is Nike, per Nike's policy. They want to be politically discriminating and greedy, don't be surprised when people don't want your product anymore.
 
I never said they were censored. Not sure where you got that from.



That is very ludicrous indeed. But not the same thing as what we are discussing. I'm not arguing in any way that stopping the city from purchasing any Nike products is illegal, and I'm definitely not saying that it violates Nike's freedom of speech. I strongly encourage you to stick to exactly what I have said, not what you think I'm saying. Also, I strongly encourage a simple question to ensure that I actually think what you think I think.

The thing we are discussing is an instance where a government is directing funds based on politics. I'm not sure if this example is illegal or not, but I can think of similar examples. Such as when Louisiana tried to stop the funding of Planned Parenthood for non abortion related services from medicaid. The judge declared that the decision was politically motivated and biased, therefor issued an injunction against it. Mind you, this ruling was in line with numerous other rulings by other courts. So in my mind, if a court can say "you aren't allowed to block this completely legal medical organization from government funds simply because you don't like their politics" it might be similar to "you can't block government funding from this apparel company simply because you don't like their politics."

Well, what you originally said didn’t make any sense at all, so in an attempt to make sense of your post, I construed the phrase “based on politics” to reference free speech. Why?

Because the notion the government cannot generally refuse to spend its money on the product of a company on the basis of the company’s politics made no sense. There’s NO court case I’m aware of saying otherwise.

Second. In the case you reference, the preliminary injunction wasn’t issued on any notion the State didn’t “like their politics.” Rather, the district court found Louisiana violated a statutory created right of “free choice of provider” under federal statute 42 U.S.C. § 1396a(a)(23). They invoked 42 U.S.C. 1983 to litigate their “free choice provider right” under the Medicaid provisions.

From the appeals court,”The district court entered a preliminary injunction on the basis of the Individual Plaintiffs’ claims that LDHH’s termination of PPGC’s Medicaid provider agreements violates their free-choice-of-provider rights under 42 U.S.C. § 1396a(a)(23).”

So, okay, I’ll adhere to what you are saying. What you said isn’t what happened in the district court case you cited and made no sense.

So, it’s not illegal, at least not on the basis of “don’t like their politics.” The case you cited isn’t parallel, as I have no evidence of a federal, state, county, or municipal law creating a statutory right Nike can invoke as being violated, like the case you cited.

Maybe there’s a contracts claim if they had a contract with Nike.

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It's the East Bank. What can ya say? :lamo

Stupid, but it's "fackin' Kenna"...lol

Do you support it?

I would support a boycott for a good reason. But, I think the reason here is rather petty. This is all subjective stuff.

However, sometimes a boycott is not practical. For example, the L.A. Boycott of Arizona, the city often waived their own boycott for things they really needed from Arizona, like Tasers.
 
I would support a boycott for a good reason. But, I think the reason here is rather petty. This is all subjective stuff.

However, sometimes a boycott is not practical. For example, the L.A. Boycott of Arizona, the city often waived their own boycott for things they really needed from Arizona, like Tasers.

There's nothing wrong with it, you just disagree?
 
Because bringing up "Louisiana town bans purchases of all Nike products" would be offensive to residents of Louisiana...right...even though that's the title of the thread.

Got it.

Funny. Where did I say that it would be offensive to the residents? I didn't. Sorry you couldn't grasp the economic impact to such a worthless move to ban the sales of nike product.

So Louisiana Governor doesn' t like the new Nike commercial (neither do I). To punish Nike the Governor bans saies of Nike items. Wonder if the sport shops that sell Nike approve of such a move. Besides if someone in Louisiana who wants a Nike product can just order on line or go else where to shop. :mrgreen:
 
Funny. Where did I say that it would be offensive to the residents? I didn't. Sorry you couldn't grasp the economic impact to such a worthless move to ban the sales of nike product.

So Louisiana Governor doesn' t like the new Nike commercial (neither do I). To punish Nike the Governor bans saies of Nike items. Wonder if the sport shops that sell Nike approve of such a move. Besides if someone in Louisiana who wants a Nike product can just order on line or go else where to shop. :mrgreen:

You brought up California in a thread about a town in Louisiana and it's apparent that your only reason for doing so is because it's an inoculation.
"Don't look at THAT shiny thing in Lousiana, look at the shiny thing in CALIFORNIA!"
 
Sure, when the government has created a forum and the speech of the/a speaker(s) is censored by the government in the forum, but this isn’t a government created forum here, and Nike isn’t censored or precluded from speaking.


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That’s not the argument I’m making. The First amendment isn’t just about supresssing speech. It’s also about the government putting its stamp of approval or disapproval on certain messages. By choosing to not purchase Nike products you can argue that the government is signaling it’s disapproval of Kaepernick’s actions. The government isn’t allowed to take a position one way or another on a speech issue.

It’s similar to cities that have tried to not accept advertising on buses for companies or messages that local bureaucrats disagree with. Those have been found to violate the First Amendment because the government must be viewpoint neutral.
 
You brought up California in a thread about a town in Louisiana and it's apparent that your only reason for doing so is because it's an inoculation.
"Don't look at THAT shiny thing in Lousiana, look at the shiny thing in CALIFORNIA!"

Good grief. Your so wrong and over the top.
 
That’s not the argument I’m making. The First amendment isn’t just about supresssing speech. It’s also about the government putting its stamp of approval or disapproval on certain messages. By choosing to not purchase Nike products you can argue that the government is signaling it’s disapproval of Kaepernick’s actions. The government isn’t allowed to take a position one way or another on a speech issue.

It’s similar to cities that have tried to not accept advertising on buses for companies or messages that local bureaucrats disagree with. Those have been found to violate the First Amendment because the government must be viewpoint neutral.

This isn’t correct.

The buses analogy isn’t parallel because they constitute as a created forum and generally the government must be viewpoint neutral in regards to created forums. These facts do not involve any created forum.

But there is no case, no evidence, historical or otherwise, that the government generally must be viewpoint neutral and can’t take a position on a speech issue. To the contrary, the government as speaker can take a specific position on a speech issue, so long as it doesn’t violate the religion clauses, and the Court and case law have long taken this view.

There isn’t any generalized prohibition that the government cannot, in its capacity, signal its disapproval of a viewpoint. Government has done the exact opposite with the Court’s blessing and supported by the historical evidence of the 1st Amendment.



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The town can likely ban purchase of a particular line of goods for the town's purposes. I doubt it can be done by order of the Mayor.

It's the standard Trumpian politcs by distraction. "Don't look at this mess I just made, look at that black guy disrespecting the anthem."
 
This isn’t correct.

The buses analogy isn’t parallel because they constitute as a created forum and generally the government must be viewpoint neutral in regards to created forums. These facts do not involve any created forum.

But there is no case, no evidence, historical or otherwise, that the government generally must be viewpoint neutral and can’t take a position on a speech issue. To the contrary, the government as speaker can take a specific position on a speech issue, so long as it doesn’t violate the religion clauses, and the Court and case law have long taken this view.

There isn’t any generalized prohibition that the government cannot, in its capacity, signal its disapproval of a viewpoint. Government has done the exact opposite with the Court’s blessing and supported by the historical evidence of the 1st Amendment.



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Thank you. I’ve read more on the subject and my initial understanding was simplistic. There’s a lot to sort out so I’ll drop this line of reasoning until I understand it better.

Another objection to what the mayor is doing that I did come across is that his order is actually to private organizations (booster clubs I think they’re called) may be doing most of their purchasing with donated funds and not government money. If that’s the case I’d think there’s a good case that the mayor has gone pretty far beyond his authority. If there’s government money involved .... I don’t know.
 
Remove N.O. and Louisiana would have the GDP of a traveling circus.
 
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