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After Kavanaugh, after the end of Roe, are birth controls next?

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https://www.vox.com/2018/9/7/17831508/brett-kavanaugh-confirmation-hearing-abortion-supreme-court
It seems that like many religious people, Kavanaugh thinks that at least some forms of birth control are abortion causing drugs. that may include what most refer to as the "pill". So I wonder if after Kavanaugh joins the SCOTUS and they reverse Roe, will birth control be somewhere done the road. SCOTUS already ruled that under the ACA, Obamacare, religious owned entities did not have to provide birth control as part of their health insurance programs. With Kavanaugh sitting on the bench, do you think that birth that many forms of birth control could be next?
Just remember one thing, the end of Roe does not make abortion illegal. Reversing Roe would only make abortion illegal if the states or the Federal government passed laws making it illegal to get one.
 
This hysteria is not going to end anytime soon.

For any of this to even be plausible would mean a government legislation action first then some challenge to that for there to be a new case before the courts putting Roe v Wade (and all subsequent rulings since) in conflict. The merit of the Roe v Wade decision would need to be in question with the new case.

Birth control is another matter entirely, as often with that debate we are talking about who pays for it. Obamacare, and the Health Insurance Industry in general, has struggled to get this right for long enough suggesting eventually that all these challenges on who pays for it end up with some horrible decision by the Supreme Court because Legislation forced the issue.

Kavanaugh's answers on birth control are of concern, but the issue on "restrict contraceptive access" by his potential decisions would be about forcing religious organizations to cover the costs via the healthcare programs they obtain.

We've muddied the issue, but that tends to happen when mixing one issue with another on the assumption of impact. And that tends to get worse when political ideology is looking for scare the public on some issue.
 
OrphanSlug said:
This hysteria is not going to end anytime soon.

For any of this to even be plausible would mean a government legislation action first then some challenge to that for there to be a new case before the courts putting Roe v Wade (and all subsequent rulings since) in conflict. The merit of the Roe v Wade decision would need to be in question with the new case.

Birth control is another matter entirely, as often with that debate we are talking about who pays for it. Obamacare, and the Health Insurance Industry in general, has struggled to get this right for long enough suggesting eventually that all these challenges on who pays for it end up with some horrible decision by the Supreme Court because Legislation forced the issue.

Kavanaugh's answers on birth control are of concern, but the issue on "restrict contraceptive access" by his potential decisions would be about forcing religious organizations to cover the costs via the healthcare programs they obtain.

We've muddied the issue, but that tends to happen when mixing one issue with another on the assumption of impact. And that tends to get worse when political ideology is looking for scare the public on some issue.
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You are right that at this time it is about who pays for birth control, but the religious right is strong within the GOP and getting stronger with their unlimited support of Trump. They are not going to be satisfied with just not having to pay for birth control, they are wanting to have control over it. I am stating my belief that some time in the future they will go after some forms of birth control through their partners both in the GOP and from the bench. I do not believe that my assumptions are that far off the mark. Many of the religious right see any form of birth control as "killing" babies and that sex is there only for procreation, not for just pleasure. So, if you think that I am off the mark, that is fine, but I have seen over the last 60 years how religion has become a very strong factor in our government and those elected to lead that government.
 
independentusa said:
You are right that at this time it is about who pays for birth control, but the religious right is strong within the GOP and getting stronger with their unlimited support of Trump. They are not going to be satisfied with just not having to pay for birth control, they are wanting to have control over it. I am stating my belief that some time in the future they will go after some forms of birth control through their partners both in the GOP and from the bench. I do not believe that my assumptions are that far off the mark. Many of the religious right see any form of birth control as "killing" babies and that sex is there only for procreation, not for just pleasure. So, if you think that I am off the mark, that is fine, but I have seen over the last 60 years how religion has become a very strong factor in our government and those elected to lead that government.
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The issues should be separate, in principle the idea of a Judicial Branch is to deal with an argument about some issue before them caused by Legislation.

That said you do have a point on a growing trend among more Social Conservative and Religious Groups calling various forms of birth control as causing an abortion (and I am talking about far more than just Plan B) from whatever junk science they want to present.

But that still means a legislative action because of that belief changing how Birth Control is defined, and a subsequent challenge to force the Judicial Branch to deal with it.

You could argue that somehow reversing Roe v Wade would be a prerequisite to this conversation but that also means some other legislative action and a subsequent challenge.
 
independentusa said:
https://www.vox.com/2018/9/7/17831508/brett-kavanaugh-confirmation-hearing-abortion-supreme-court
It seems that like many religious people, Kavanaugh thinks that at least some forms of birth control are abortion causing drugs. that may include what most refer to as the "pill". So I wonder if after Kavanaugh joins the SCOTUS and they reverse Roe, will birth control be somewhere done the road. SCOTUS already ruled that under the ACA, Obamacare, religious owned entities did not have to provide birth control as part of their health insurance programs. With Kavanaugh sitting on the bench, do you think that birth that many forms of birth control could be next?
Just remember one thing, the end of Roe does not make abortion illegal. Reversing Roe would only make abortion illegal if the states or the Federal government passed laws making it illegal to get one.
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1. What makes you think the Supremes will reverse Roe?

2. BC is safe, I'd say.
 
I wonder if those who doubted me when I said Roe was going to go down after Trump's election victory are having second thoughts.
 
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