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Kaepernick is an idiot.

Tebow wasn't blackballed at all. He kept getting signed, until he refused to switch positions. He'd still be in the league if he'd agreed to play TE. Tebow couldn't get a job because he was a bad quarterback.

Kap is, statistically, a Top 20 all time QB.

Just fyi.

Below is a ranking of the top 32 quarterbacks in the NFL, regardless of team. Players like Blake Bortles, Colin Kaepernick, AJ McCarron and Mitchell Trubisky just missed the cut. Let's go:
 
incoherent meltdown in the OP a side on a side note Kap also hit is goal of donating a million dollars to charity this year and he sold a limited jersey that sold out in a couple hours that he will also be giving that money to the know your rights org....

agree with him or not it "seems" like he is doing way more positive than anything else :shrug:
 
He was adopted into an affluent white family, so take your "I cant back up what I say" and prove it. Show his "oppression" history.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Kaepernick

I'm sorry, but this is just a clueless, yet entirely predicatable, rebuttal. :roll:

First, I imagine that almost everyone knows Kaepernick is biracial and was adopted by his family. Seemingly the only people who those are relevant (in ANY way) to raise as issues in the discussion of Kaepernick's views about police violence........are conservative white guys who (because of their own entitlement issues) really have no idea what racism is, how it presents, nor how prevalent it is in our society.

Secondly, just for the record, your wikipedia quote offered nothing about the socioeconomic status of Kaepernick's adopted family. Their "affluence", or lack thereof, is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the issues being raised by Kaepernick (and groups like #BLM). To my knowledge, their socioeconomic standing has never been reported. but what HAS been reported about them has been their UNWAVERING and COMPLETE SUPPORT for their son and the patriotic stand that he has taken. Too bad more right wingers haven't taken note of it.

Lastly, neither Colin Kaepernick, nor ANYONE else, is required to "prove" a personal "oppression history" in order to understand the history of police violence and mistreatment toward black and brown Americans. That SHOULDN'T be a hard concept for people to understand. And yet, for some people, it is. And it's no small coincidence that those people tend to fall into a very narrow demographic subset of people in this country.
 
I see. Fit the facts to the preferred narrative. Whatever. Kapernick took his shot and he is getting what could have been expected.

:lamo "Whatever" is about right. But you're confused about your source of the intellectual dishonesty, here.

I'm not one of the football geniuses (i.e. the "fit the facts to preferred narrative" idiots) who have attempted to argue that Kaepernick was a bad NFL QB as a way of rationalizing what is clearly a blackballing job by NFL owners.

The simple FACT of the matter is that CK's career stats place him among the top 2 dozen QB's of all-time. Of course, I realize that when these kinds of discrediting FACTS are presented to the Fake News crowd, they are never well-received. So your deflection here is not unexpected.

But I do like the fact that you acknowledge in your quote above, that Kaepernick as clearly been colluded against by the NFL owners. I think there is a decent possibility that his case against them is ruled similarly.
 
:lamo "Whatever" is about right. But you're confused about your source of the intellectual dishonesty, here.

I'm not one of the football geniuses (i.e. the "fit the facts to preferred narrative" idiots) who have attempted to argue that Kaepernick was a bad NFL QB as a way of rationalizing what is clearly a blackballing job by NFL owners.

The simple FACT of the matter is that CK's career stats place him among the top 2 dozen QB's of all-time. Of course, I realize that when these kinds of discrediting FACTS are presented to the Fake News crowd, they are never well-received. So your deflection here is not unexpected.

But I do like the fact that you acknowledge in your quote above, that Kaepernick as clearly been colluded against by the NFL owners. I think there is a decent possibility that his case against them is ruled similarly.

K. tried to mix million-dollar football success with black racist activism. He found that did not play well. Maybe he has learned his lesson.
 
:lamo "Whatever" is about right. But you're confused about your source of the intellectual dishonesty, here.

I'm not one of the football geniuses (i.e. the "fit the facts to preferred narrative" idiots) who have attempted to argue that Kaepernick was a bad NFL QB as a way of rationalizing what is clearly a blackballing job by NFL owners.

The simple FACT of the matter is that CK's career stats place him among the top 2 dozen QB's of all-time. Of course, I realize that when these kinds of discrediting FACTS are presented to the Fake News crowd, they are never well-received. So your deflection here is not unexpected.

But I do like the fact that you acknowledge in your quote above, that Kaepernick as clearly been colluded against by the NFL owners. I think there is a decent possibility that his case against them is ruled similarly.

To be fair, Kaepernick played for a great team, which stacked his numbers. In my humble opinion was not a starting QB in the NFL. (Disclosure: Seahawks fan :p ), but he would definitely, without any question in my mind, be one of the best backups. No doubt here that they blackballed him.

So once again cadet "Bone Spurs" Snowflake, or is that cadet "Snowflake" Bone Spurs, used the bully pulpit to make a cowardly attack.
 
Oh be real...

They say that they protest the higher likelihood that blacks are shot at the hands of law enforcement -- only we know that's not true -- based on the Harvard study, which indicated blacks were at no greater risk of being shot than whites.

It's a false narrative.

Based on "the Harvard study"? LOL, what nonsense. You're obviously another conservative who informs him/herself by watching, rather than reading. So let me tell you a few things about that "Harvard study":

1. First, it wasn't a study. It was an unpublished working paper written by a guy (Roland Frye) who happens to also hold a faculty position at Harvard (currently suspended pending sexual harrassment allegations, btw). But again, it was just a working paper. The difference between the a working paper and a peer-reviewed "study" is akin to the difference between a doctor and a medical student. Ultimately, that working paper from a couple of years ago was discredited due to faulty methology and lack a basic transparency (he refused to reveal who funded his work...and HUGE no-no and red-flag in academic circles); and was never peer-reviewed and never published in an academic journal. This was an independently (and secretly) funded paper from a Harvard faculty member. Neither Harvard, nor ANY other credible research university would EVER allow it's name to be connected to such shoddy work. Clearly, you wouldn't know the whole story of your "Harvard study", because it wasn't covered by the conservative fake news media. They gave you the original headline (with big help from the NYTimes), and that was all you needed, right?

2. If you'd ever bothered the READ Frye's actual working paper, you would have noted that Frye's conclusions were based almost entirely on voluntary statements submitted by the police officers involved in violenct acts primarily in two cities (Houston and NYC)....HARDLY the best source for impartial information. Even Frye, himself, never intended to imply that his results and conclusions be applied to the rest of the country. He stated so, clearly, within the text of the paper, itself.

3. In fact, Frye (whose field of expertise as a tenured Harvard Professor is completely unrelated to police violence) began his paper with a stunningly ignorant asssumption (i.e. that his paper was the first research of it's kind dealing with racial disparities in police violence) which basically discredited his work.

4. There already exists (quite literally) scores of peer-reviewed, credible academic studies on this issue, EVERY ONE of which has demonstrated an increased prevalence of police violence and unarmed shootings against blacks as compared to white in this country. Example. Example. Example.. Example.. Example.

But, not all black players kneel -- and those who don't can be quite vocal as to why they don't kneel -- because it's disrespectful.

LOL, no one cares what you think,nor what you think others think. You just can't get that essential reality through your head, for some reason. The unfortunate truth, for you, is that THEY (i.e. the protesters themselves) are the only people who get to decide why they are protesting, and what the protest means to them. The feelings of people like you (and everyone else like you) don't matter. Sorry.

So, yeah, I get to draw the assumptions that I draw, based on the facts at hand.

:lamo Only in your own "precious" mind. That's about all. You already demonstrated that your idea of "facts" tends to have little relation to THE facts.

During Obama's term, we saw a lot of anti-American sentiment develop in certain segments of society.

Yes we did. The Tea Party people were chief among them. They, along with the rest of their fake patriot allies really showed their true colors during the Obama era.

Now we have a president who doesn't support those kinds of shenanigans -- but the simple fact is -- the majority of Americans think the kneelers are wrong to do what they're doing. You're in the minority.

More alternative reality nonsense. Most Americans disagree with you and your ilk. Most Americans agree that silent, kneeling protests are NOT unpatriotic, and are NOT disrespectful. But again, it really doesn't matter what you people think about this.
 
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K. tried to mix million-dollar football success with black racist activism. He found that did not play well. Maybe he has learned his lesson.

Aren't you the guy who posted that misguided bit about "fitting the facts to the preferred narrative", earlier? Well, let me be the one to tell you that your ideas about justice are irrelevant to the discussion.

That said, at least we know that YOU are hoping CK has been put in his place by the colluding NFL owners. Does it make you feel good to believe that? .

Unfortunately, for you, Kaepernick seems to getting along quite well. And he's probably going to win his suit against the NFL, to boot.

You'll be upset about that, won't you?:lamo
 
Aren't you the guy who posted that misguided bit about "fitting the facts to the preferred narrative", earlier? Well, let me be the one to tell you that your ideas about justice are irrelevant to the discussion.

That said, at least we know that YOU are hoping CK has been put in his place by the colluding NFL owners. Does it make you feel good to believe that? .

Unfortunately, for you, Kaepernick seems to getting along quite well. And he's probably going to win his suit against the NFL, to boot.

You'll be upset about that, won't you?:lamo

The real concern I have is that so many in America are tied up seeking temporal pleasures and the money to fund those pleasures while ignoring God to their own hurt.
 
The real concern I have is that so many in America are tied up seeking temporal pleasures and the money to fund those pleasures while ignoring God to their own hurt.

What does god have to do with the thread topic?
 
The real concern I have is that so many in America are tied up seeking temporal pleasures and the money to fund those pleasures while ignoring God to their own hurt.

Be that as it may, it's pretty clear you make plenty of time for other (more partisan and cynical...and less Biblically motivated) concerns as well.
 
To the atheistic liberal God has nothing to do with anything good but has everything to do with evil. Go fogger.

Take it easy with the victimhood stuff.

Atheist and Liberal are not synonyms, you know. 70% of all self-described liberals claim belief in God (compared to 92% of Conservatives).

There are a LOT of conservative and right wing atheists.....and Liberals are not all (or even mostly) atheistic. 45% of all non-believers self-identify as political conservative or moderate.

I know it's easy (and convenient) for Christian conservatives to view themselves as THE representatives of the Faith. But that is both ignorant and arrogant.
 
You guys have to remember, guys like CK are young and they tend to be very idealistic and think they can change the world.
His heart is in the right place I think, but at the end of the day he isnt gonna change a damn thing.
No cop in the world is gonna have Kaepernick on his (or her) mind before he blows the next black guy away, just ask Ms. Guyger.

If he really wants to exact change he should push for mandatory bodycams on all police officer throughout the US.
Now that will make a difference!!

And also push for a law that says if a cop's bodycam suddenly stops functioning in the middle of a shooting, that cop should never work the streets again
 
Take it easy with the victimhood stuff.

Atheist and Liberal are not synonyms, you know. 70% of all self-described liberals claim belief in God (compared to 92% of Conservatives).

There are a LOT of conservative and right wing atheists.....and Liberals are not all (or even mostly) atheistic. 45% of all non-believers self-identify as political conservative or moderate.

I know it's easy (and convenient) for Christian conservatives to view themselves as THE representatives of the Faith. But that is both ignorant and arrogant.

Hitler identified as a Christian, but he was not.
 
Hitler identified as a Christian, but he was not.

Yes, he certainly did claim to be a Christian. So have most purveyors of racism and anti-semitism throughout history. As do most supporters of racism and religious bigotry (and the policies promoted by those sentiments) in American politics today. Whether, or not, they (Hitler included) in fact, were/are actually believers in their hearts, is unanswerable. And while many people, including many non-conservatives, have expressed that very same "Hitler was a Christian" argument in reflections about Hitler's rise to power over the years. Claims of religious faith are hardly unique among those who promote evil, unfortunately.

The irony of your statement, above, is that you don't realize that most people use that statement to analogize the attitudes and behavior of right wing Christians in America today (and throughout American history). People like Joe McCarthy and Father Coughlin. People like Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms. People like most Southern Confederates before, during and after the Civil War. People like Donald Trump, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Mike Pence, etc. etc etc in American politics today.

The sad reality is that the greatest worldly threat to Christianity is not "liberalism" or "secularism"......but the public and private behvior of SOME Christians themselves. The most UNCHRISTIAN "Christians" in public life today tend to be right wing evangelical and conservative Catholic "Christians". They are the examples (through their public words and behaviors) and the reason why most young Christians reject organized religion today.
 
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You guys have to remember, guys like CK are young and they tend to be very idealistic and think they can change the world.
His heart is in the right place I think, but at the end of the day he isnt gonna change a damn thing.
No cop in the world is gonna have Kaepernick on his (or her) mind before he blows the next black guy away, just ask Ms. Guyger.

If he really wants to exact change he should push for mandatory bodycams on all police officer throughout the US.
Now that will make a difference!
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And that is, indeed, ONE of the issues he has raised in his protests....along with (among other things) the fact that it takes twice as long to become a licensed cosmetologist in most states, than to become a police officer with a license to make life and death decisions on the street every day.
 
Yes, he certainly did claim to be a Christian. So have most purveyors of racism and anti-semitism throughout history.

Nearly all the famous race-baiting black racists in America over the last three decades have claimed to be "reverends." Go figger.
 
Nearly all the famous race-baiting black racists in America over the last three decades have claimed to be "reverends." Go figger.

Spoken like a classic Christianist. :lamo

"Race-bating", huh? A phase that is ONLY used by a certain type of person in the white community. No one cares who someone like you thinks is a racist...just as no one takes it seriously when Trump accuses others of being racists. The reason for that is obvious, to most people.

Clearly, you felt convicted by my previous remarks and you're lashing out now....and attempting to change the subject at the same time.

But...remember when I said that Christianity's greatest worldly threat is not "liberals" and "secularists"...but, instead, right wing conservatives who profess (much more loudly than anyone else) their Christian faith, yet who exemplify ignorance, hatred and bigotry to the world around them?

Well......:bravo:....congratulations on helping to DEMONSTRATE exactly the kind of person I was talking about.

The FACT of the matter is that my previous remarks stand, unrebutted...because you and I both know that you cannot rebut them. That must sting a little, huh? :lamo
 
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To the atheistic liberal God has nothing to do with anything good but has everything to do with evil. Go fogger.
Nearly all the famous race-baiting black racists in America over the last three decades have claimed to be "reverends." Go figger.

One of these days you will learn how to spell the word "figure".
 
Nike sales up since introducing the Kaepernick ad campaign.
 
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