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Educated guess-- I think the NYT op-ed piece was written by Dan Coates.

Linc said:
You seem to think these Republicans have any honor, as they supposedly did in 1974. That was all about polls then, still is, once McConnell finishes stealing the Federal Bench.

McConnell will force DEMs to impeach trump, expecting a ‘Clinton’ backlash. Trump serves one term for McConnell, the Devil’s art of the deal.

The ‘hypothetical’ Kavanaugh Court will kill the Mueller Report. More Patriots will come forth with damning reports held secret by GOPutins.
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I don't think it will. kavanaugh suggested that a prez shouldn't be bothered with investigations, but he did stipulate that congress would have to pass a law for it in order for him to back it, that was the gist of what he said, I forgot his exact words. Kavanaugh is a textualist.
 
OscarLevant said:
I don't think it will. kavanaugh suggested that a prez shouldn't be bothered with investigations, but he did stipulate that congress would have to pass a law for it in order for him to back it, that was the gist of what he said, I forgot his exact words. Kavanaugh is a textualist.
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We need good judges who do not try to overturn American laws and traditions to serve the leftist agenda.
 
Bum said:
I dont think it was Pence; though the word "loadstar" was tossed into the Op/Ed, it is a very unique and not often used word that has already been attributed to Pence in recent usage....I do not think Pence would make such a glaring error.
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He could have. As my governor I can tell you he's not terribly bright. An attribute he shares with Trump. He's also a religious nut job. I've been scratching my head trying to figure out how he could get along with someone like Trump.
 
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OscarLevant said:
I thought about that, but no way would she confront her father, nor would Jared.
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The writing style and inside knowledge doesn't come from someone like her.
 
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marke said:
We need good judges who do not try to overturn American laws and traditions to serve the leftist agenda.
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Dude why don't you go back to your sandbox end play and let the grown ups talk. Your posts never make sense let alone have anything to do with the thread at hand.
 
Bum said:
I dont think it was Pence; though the word "loadstar" was tossed into the Op/Ed, it is a very unique and not often used word that has already been attributed to Pence in recent usage....I do not think Pence would make such a glaring error.
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I would bet that lodestar was thrown in as a red herring or that Pence uses it more often in private talk and the op-ed author has picked it up
 
Crovax said:
I would bet that lodestar was thrown in as a red herring or that Pence uses it more often in private talk and the op-ed author has picked it up
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That was my thought as well....dont get me wrong, there is a chance that Pence really is that stupid and unaware, but I dont think its as likely an explanation.


I think it is a not so subtle attempt at being subtle in order to plant a false flag.....its the kind of thing I would expect from a 12 year old though..
 
DiAnna said:
I hope it isn't Coats. I'd be disappointed if it was; I honestly thought he was a man of integrity.

Truthfully, I'm still not certain what to make of this anonymous letter. Despite my total revulsion at having Trump in the WH, I can't shake off the scent of self-aggrandizing with a hint of heroic martyr while reading it.

A real hero would sign his/her name, not allow a panicked and paranoid WH witch hunt to turn the Executive Branch upside down, destroying any poor sot who can't provide an immediate alibi.

Like I've said, I don't know what to think of this; nothing even close has ever happened in my lifetime.
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That's a pretty good point. There's a case to be made that this is an action of cowardice rather than heroism, if honestly they felt this strongly about the subject they'd invoke the 25th or at least speak out publicly. It's pretty apparent that most of the people in this administration don't want to be there and are setting themselves up to be the person that "tried to stop all the madness."
 
StillBallin75 said:
That's a pretty good point. There's a case to be made that this is an action of cowardice rather than heroism, if honestly they felt this strongly about the subject they'd invoke the 25th or at least speak out publicly. It's pretty apparent that most of the people in this administration don't want to be there and are setting themselves up to be the person that "tried to stop all the madness."
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Which leads me to believe this may not be an actual insider that wrote the Op/Ed;

If you are outgunned and outmanned, then it is reasonable to conclude that stealth and anonymity are your greatest assets...if one truly is attempting to undermine executive actions they deem to be a threat to the nation, it serves no tactical purpose to announce it to the world at large knowing full well it will bring unwanted and intense scrutiny to the actions of anyone working behind the scenes to mitigate anything being done by the president.


That's why this entire matter strikes me as being conducted by an outsider rather than an insider.
 
StillBallin75 said:
That's a pretty good point. There's a case to be made that this is an action of cowardice rather than heroism, if honestly they felt this strongly about the subject they'd invoke the 25th or at least speak out publicly. It's pretty apparent that most of the people in this administration don't want to be there and are setting themselves up to be the person that "tried to stop all the madness."
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I can't get the "likes" to work at the moment, but agree with your post.
 
DiAnna said:
Maybe. Pence is more polite, politically savvy, and diplomatic, but he's just as power hungry as Trump; plus Trump can't fire his ass, and he knows it.

But if the VP is behind the scenes engineering a Presidential coup d'etat, it would precipitate the biggest constitutional crisis of my lifetime, and perhaps in the history of our country.
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Frankly, I'd be surprised if it's anyone having "household name" status.


Red:
Of all Admin. personnel, the VPOTUS is one for whom anonymity is professionally unnecessary. On a personal level, the only reason Pence has a relationship with Trump is because Pence is the V.P. Pence has little, if anything, to gain from anonymity, particularly insofar as sooner or later the person's identity will be revealed, and one thing we can be sure of is that if Pence is the writer, the instant Trump is removed from office -- in fact or in effect -- that he is the author would be immediately disclosed, and that would not bode well for his chances of obtaining support among "grass roots" Trumpkins (people who will clamor and queue to attend Trump rallies and others sycophantic devotees who would go, but who for some reason cannot).


That said, the number of folks who know about the mulling of implementing the 25th's provisions is a very small number of folks. Of the folks who might reasonably be party to such conversations, Don McGahn or another of the WH Counsel attorneys, Dan Coates, and Secy. Mattis strikes me as likely authors of the essay.



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A slightly more expansive view of the cabinet and others who are close enough to be privy to cabinet-level discussions


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Linc said:
We’re seeing Another fine False-Equivalence of Coats being gutless, as trump called him. The gutless ones have no idea what Coats and the rest are protecting us from, and indeed the entire Planet 🌍.

The Author of the letter would have been Decimated by the hack alt-Rightists out of the gate. Spineless lefties would have continued being Spineless, with their alt-Rightists friends continuing to obstruct Justice.

The only thing we know about tomorrow is that it will be worse than today.
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Well if they had stopped "protecting" us Trump would be really on the way out and we would not be dealing with this two track Presidency which is BS. They are old line Republicans trying to thread the needle. They are trying to convince the country that THEY have saved us from Trump so that the GOP can recover from the embarrassment of having pushed this idiot forward, having given him the platform to become President. They have decided the end is near, that they were going to be decimated at the very least in the House in November. They have decided they will have gotten all they wanted out of Trump and its time to cut him loose.
 
Bum said:
Which leads me to believe this may not be an actual insider that wrote the Op/Ed;

If you are outgunned and outmanned, then it is reasonable to conclude that stealth and anonymity are your greatest assets...if one truly is attempting to undermine executive actions they deem to be a threat to the nation, it serves no tactical purpose to announce it to the world at large knowing full well it will bring unwanted and intense scrutiny to the actions of anyone working behind the scenes to mitigate anything being done by the president.


That's why this entire matter strikes me as being conducted by an outsider rather than an insider.
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That makes little to no sense. If the NYT's has gotten this wrong it actually represents an existential threat to the paper. The decision to publish this went all the way to the Publisher and likely the board itself. No Editor makes this decision unilaterally.

The NYT's knows who it is. Its anonymous to us, not to them.
 
DiAnna said:
I hope it isn't Coats. I'd be disappointed if it was; I honestly thought he was a man of integrity.

Truthfully, I'm still not certain what to make of this anonymous letter. Despite my total revulsion at having Trump in the WH, I can't shake off the scent of self-aggrandizing with a hint of heroic martyr while reading it.

A real hero would sign his/her name, not allow a panicked and paranoid WH witch hunt to turn the Executive Branch upside down, destroying any poor sot who can't provide an immediate alibi.

Like I've said, I don't know what to think of this; nothing even close has ever happened in my lifetime.
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Well done!

I agree
 
jnug said:
That makes little to no sense. If the NYT's has gotten this wrong it actually represents an existential threat to the paper. The decision to publish this went all the way to the Publisher and likely the board itself. No Editor makes this decision unilaterally.

The NYT's knows who it is. Its anonymous to us, not to them.
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Its no threat to the paper...big media always weathers any bad story, they just kick the journalist, editor, etc, to the curb as a scape goat...


CBS with the Dan Rather producing falsified documents on President Bush Air Guard story...CBS is there here.

Rollingstones hoax rape story....Rollingstones still here

NBC Brian Williams "conflated being shot at in a helicopter" story.....NBC still here

NBC deliberate editing of George Zimmerman 911 call..NBC still here

NYT reporter Jayson Blair busted making up stories...New York Times still here.

Dateline NBC rigs a truck to explode In 1993 to "prove how unsafe it is"......Dateline NBC still here

Washinton Post hoax story about an 8 year old heroin addict......WaPost still here


Just a few examples...so, I wouldn't be too concerned about the continued existence of any media outlets when they can toss a faceless drone out as a sacrificial lamb when the pay off is more people tuning in to them or buying thier paper.
 
Bum said:
Its no threat to the paper...big media always weathers any bad story, they just kick the journalist, editor, etc, to the curb as a scape goat...


CBS with the Dan Rather producing falsified documents on President Bush Air Guard story...CBS is there here.

Rollingstones hoax rape story....Rollingstones still here

NBC Brian Williams "conflated being shot at in a helicopter" story.....NBC still here

NBC deliberate editing of George Zimmerman 911 call..NBC still here

NYT reporter Jayson Blair busted making up stories...New York Times still here.

Dateline NBC rigs a truck to explode In 1993 to "prove how unsafe it is"......Dateline NBC still here

Washinton Post hoax story about an 8 year old heroin addict......WaPost still here


Just a few examples...so, I wouldn't be too concerned about the continued existence of any media outlets when they can toss a faceless drone out as a sacrificial lamb when the pay off is more people tuning in to them or buying thier paper.
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They won't be able to throw out some faceless drone because nobody with a brain will believe this did not go at least to the Publisher for a decision if not the Board of the Times.
 
jnug said:
They won't be able to throw out some faceless drone because nobody with a brain will believe this did not go at least to the Publisher for a decision if not the Board of the Times.
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That'll be for the NYT publisher or Board to worry about....not my concern.

Whatever the case may be, it'll come out eventually.
 
marke said:
We need good judges who do not try to overturn American laws and traditions to serve the leftist agenda.
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No you need you need judges to further a right-wing agenda. This interpret law bs is merely a ruse. I sincerely doubt the law was intended to further the interest of Republicans 70% of the time which coincides with Kavanagh rulings.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
Dude why don't you go back to your sandbox end play and let the grown ups talk. Your posts never make sense let alone have anything to do with the thread at hand.
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Homosexual Judge Vaughn Walker struck down popular California Proposition 8 because the homosexual judge did not think it was fair to homosexuals. Maybe a judge appointed by Trump will strike down abortion because he does not think it is fair to the little unborn babies.
 
Bum said:
That'll be for the NYT publisher or Board to worry about....not my concern.

Whatever the case may be, it'll come out eventually.
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You are right...it will absolutely be their problem. But it simply does not make any sense to think they did not know that going into the decision to print this op-ed.

Looking across media, the notion that this will be a big nothingburger if either:
a) the source is not a senior official (asst. Dep. Sec or above IMO)
b) the story is simply false

does not seem to wash. The Times will be in serious trouble as a news organization if they screwed this up as their entire profile is to be a print media based organization focused on investigative reporting and well in the group of 5 papers/organizations nationally that fit that model. If they have in fact screwed this up, nobody alive today that follows communications and media as a category will forget it. No amount of apologies will wash that away.
 
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