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California slides down the rabbit hole

Unitedwestand13 said:
Suppose if certain citizans offer sanctuary to undocumented migrants
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That's called aiding and abetting, and could be harboring a fugitive from the law, and or even conspiracy to defraud the government, or a number of other criminal offenses.

Like my sig says, they will be making the choices and will have to deal with the consequences of their choices. The law calls them illegal aliens, not immigrants, and not undocumented. We don't call a bank robber an undocumented withdrawer.
 
Sabre said:
Down the rabbit hole with sanctuary cities, then further down when we became a sanctuary state, now Governor Moonbeam is pushing this - another slide down.

From the Register newspaper.

Bill would allow some non-citizens to govern


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(Don’t know about you but the last physician I would expect to visit would be an illegal alien, OK, maybe it would be the last I would visit, ever.)

Next we could expect the whine: we can serve and make all these decisions but we can’t vote.
OK, if you hold an office we will allow you to vote... Down the hole further.

Then the whine again: how can we represent people like us if they cannot vote?
OK, all illegals will now have the right to vote, it’s only fair… The rabbit hole just became a bottomless abyss.

There used to be an old saying that said- as California goes so goes the nation. Hopefully it's just that, an old saying.
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Would you give a link to that article, please? I'm familiar with the Orange County Register, and although it is unapologetically conservative (I lived in Orange County for decades), it is does not usually deliberately misrepresent facts, so I'd like to read the article in context.
 
apdst said:
California should be cut off from all it's Federal money, too.
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California (like many blue states, unlike most red states) gives more money to the fed than it receives.

If the fed cuts us off, and we retaliate and cut them off, we wind up with keeping more money.

So, bring it on.
 
Fishking said:
Sure...which doesn't have to include support of federal dollars.
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California ( like many blue states, unlike most red states ) gives more money to the fed that it receives from them.

So, if the fed cuts off CA and CA retaliates and cuts the fed off, then CA will then, at that point, wind up ahead.


So, bring it on.
 
DiAnna said:
Would you give a link to that article, please? I'm familiar with the Orange County Register, and although it is unapologetically conservative (I lived in Orange County for decades), it is does not usually deliberately misrepresent facts, so I'd like to read the article in context.
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As I mentioned before, that was scanned in from my printed copy of Friday 31, however, jamesrage had access to the on-line info and posted a link to the article in post # 4.
 
Cordelier said:
Why? Ohhh... I don't know... probably because we're a little sick and tired of talking about personalities and want to talk more about policies and ideas?

Seriously... who the hell cares whether or not you dislike Brown or that I like him? I know he doesn't give a damn one way or the other. What matters is the substance of his policies.
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And yet one of the predominant arguments in threads here is that the character, or personality if you choose, has everything to do with the substance of ones policies and decisions .
 
Sabre said:
And yet one of the predominant arguments in threads here is that the character, or personality if you choose, has everything to do with the substance of ones policies and decisions .
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Have you ever seen me make that argument?

Personality and policy are two separate discussions.
 
Beaudreaux said:
That's called aiding and abetting, and could be harboring a fugitive from the law, and or even conspiracy to defraud the government, or a number of other criminal offenses.

Like my sig says, they will be making the choices and will have to deal with the consequences of their choices. The law calls them illegal aliens, not immigrants, and not undocumented. We don't call a bank robber an undocumented withdrawer.
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I don’t know about rest of it, but I do know it is only harboring a fugitive if the person being harbored has a warrant out for their arrest (which most illegals don’t) and the person doing the harboring is aware of the warrant.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I don’t know about rest of it, but I do know it is only harboring a fugitive if the person being harbored has a warrant out for their arrest (which most illegals don’t) and the person doing the harboring is aware of the warrant.
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That may be true. I'll take your word for it.

If the person harboring knows the person broke the law (illegally entering the country or illegally overstaying their visa), and then shelters that person then that person can be charged with aiding and abetting at least.
 
Linc said:
Why the bold type on ‘monkey up’, Roadvirus?
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It's my way of mocking the poor saps who think what DeSantis said was racist.


California and our Illinois continue to be ‘giver’ states to RED ‘taker’ states!!
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California is a morally bankrupt state.
Illinois is a financial mess and is really run by a crooked Chicago chump named Madigan.
 
Sabre said:
And yet one of the predominant arguments in threads here is that the character, or personality if you choose, has everything to do with the substance of ones policies and decisions .
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Seriously, Saber, we need to get over this personality fixation and start talking some serious facts.... because Governor Brown isn't going to be in office in a couple of months time, but the problems are still going to exist.

Roughly speaking, GDP=(Labor Force) x (Productivity)

In 2000, the situation looked like this

China
GDP (Million US$): 1,211,347
Labor Force (Millions): 734.8
Productivity (US$ per Worker): 1,649

US
GDP (Million US$): 10,284,779
Labor Force (Millions): 146.8
Productivity (US$ per Worker): 70,060

Fast forward to 2017, and the numbers look like this:

China
GDP (Million US$): 12,237,700
Labor Force (Millions): 786.7
Productivity (US$ per Worker): 15,556

US
GDP (Million US$): 19,390,604
Labor Force (Millions): 163.5
Productivity (US$ per Worker): 118,597

So we've made big gains in productivity over the last 17 years, but the growth is nothing compared to China's. We're losing ground in this race. Now we can probably afford to restrict trade or choke off immigration... that's what we did before the First World War, when we had a pretty protectionist economy. But we made up for that by opening the borders to immigration. We welcomed an influx of immigrants from Ireland, Italy, Germany, Russia, Poland and pretty much everywhere in the world that vastly expanded our labor force and kept the economy going strong. But when that influx of immigrants was cut off in the 1920's and combined with even more restrictive trade policies (ie, Smoot-Hawley), well, the results weren't very happy for our economic growth, were they?
 
Cordelier said:
Yeah... you know, they always say pretty much the same thing about any major infrastructure investment project. Whether it's the Erie Canal or the Transcontinental Railroad or anything else you can think of... there are always the nay-saying hand-wringers who say it'll never work or it'll cost too much and all of the rest. And then on the other side of the coin are the hard-fighting people of vision who go out into the ring and make it happen. It's called progress... look into it.
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There's progress..... and then there is what we see in Cali. A giant incinerator to dump cash into endlessly.
 
Cordelier said:
Uh-huh... you do realize that California is running a pretty substantial budget surplus, right?
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And they waste that money on protecting illegals and handing out free needles to druggies.
 
Roadvirus said:
And they waste that money on protecting illegals and handing out free needles to druggies.
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Well, as I've said a couple of times now, illegals came here to work... and in doing so, they add to the economy. Sure, we can crack down on them to the point where they can't work... but they've still got to eat. If you force them to choose between stealing and starving, guess which one they're going to pick.

Junkies aren't going to stop using drugs just because they don't have access to free needles... but at least if they do have access to them, then it reduces the chances they will contract Hepatitus or AIDS or other similar diseases that would cause them to be a further drain on the healthcare system. It just seems like common sense to me.
 
apdst said:
California should be cut off from all it's Federal money, too.
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I agree, and I live in Kalifornia, born and bred.

Pains me to see my home devoured by the cancerous left. But, what the hell, all good things come to an end.
 
Cordelier said:
Junkies aren't going to stop using drugs just because they don't have access to free needles... but at least if they do have access to them, then it reduces the chances they will contract Hepatitus or AIDS or other similar diseases that would cause them to be a further drain on the healthcare system. It just seems like common sense to me.
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I don't pay taxes so some drugged-up prick can keep his habit going with some politician's blessing.

And besides which, those needles end up on the ground where innocent people get pricked and possibly some disease.
 
Roadvirus said:
I don't pay taxes so some drugged-up prick can keep his habit going with some politician's blessing.

And besides which, those needles end up on the ground where innocent people get pricked and possibly some disease.
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Jesus... I don't know what to tell you. Maybe it's just not a good idea to go around barefoot the next time you visit your local Drug Den?
 
Cordelier said:
Jesus... I don't know what to tell you. Maybe it's just not a good idea to go around barefoot the next time you visit your local Drug Den?
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The needles aren't lying around in just govt sanctioned "Shoot up" joints. They're all over the ****ing cities!
 
Roadvirus said:
The needles aren't lying around in just govt sanctioned "Shoot up" joints. They're all over the ****ing cities!
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I can't say I've ever availed myself of the service, but it's my understanding that the Government free needle programs are pretty much done on an exchange basis, are they not?
 
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