Trump vs. McCain: Trump won

ataraxia · Aug 28, 2018

John McCain's passing is being solemnly honored all over the country. He was known as a great statesman, as someone who put country and lofty ideals and American values above petty partisanship and tribalism. He respected his rivals, because he knew that even if he disagreed with them, that didn't make them bad people or people who deserved to be insulted. At the height of his presidential campaign against Obama, he stopped a woman who was starting to call Obama a Muslim, and saying how she was afraid. He reassured her that although he disagreed with Obama, he was a good man, and she had nothing to worry about. He will be remembered for his great legislative accomplishments and campaigns, such as his bipartisan pushes on immigration policy, or campaign finance legislation, or his crusade to ban the torture of terror suspects. He clashed with Trump on multiple fronts, including his support for free trade as being the best long term trade policy for the US, his support of the free press as the backbone of democracy, his revulsion for Russian strongman Vladimir Putin, his support for NATO, his championing of human rights all over the world, including for those seeking asylum from war-torn and unstable countries around the world, and his belief in a spirit of cooperation and bipartisanship.

"We argue and compete and sometimes even vilify each other in our raucous public debates", McCain wrote in his final farewell address. " But we have always had so much more in common with each other than in disagreement."

But as much as McCain is being honored today by decent Americans all over the country, the war for the soul of the Republican Party has been squarely won by Donald Trump and his brand of petty, relentlessly vindictive, and small-minded tribalism. He has learned that division, fear and hate-mongering, and paranoia are what the base wants. That Republican base is now squarely the party of Donald Trump. Trump's approval rating among registered Republicans now stands at 90%, compared to McCain at 32%.

So although Trump's insulting behavior and rhetoric toward McCain, both during his life and now as he has passed away, draws much disgust among Americans at large, it is unlikely to have much effect among his deplorable base. And it is unlikely we are ever going to see McCain's brand of politics from the GOP again for a very, very long time.

RIP, senator McCain. And thank you for your lifetime of service to our country.

Mycroft · Aug 28, 2018

It's easy to idolize a man when one deliberately forgets that man's failings.

JustHanging · Aug 28, 2018

Mycroft said:
It's easy to idolize a man when one deliberately forgets that man's failings.

Or just outright support them. On a daily, sometimes hourly, basis.

Mach · Aug 28, 2018

Mycroft said:
It's easy to idolize a man when one deliberately forgets that man's failings.

I assume you're referring to Trump.

Most people appear to respect McCain and lament the loss of him in the Senate. They don't idolize him.

JustHanging · Aug 28, 2018

ataraxia said:
John McCain's passing is being solemnly honored all over the country. He was known as a great statesman, as someone who put country and lofty ideals and American values above petty partisanship and tribalism. He respected his rivals, because he knew that even if he disagreed with them, that didn't make them bad people or people who deserved to be insulted. At the height of his presidential campaign against Obama, he stopped a woman who was starting to call Obama a Muslim, and saying how she was afraid. He reassured her that although he disagreed with Obama, he was a good man, and she had nothing to worry about. He will be remembered for his great legislative accomplishments and campaigns, such as his bipartisan pushes on immigration policy, or campaign finance legislation, or his crusade to ban the torture of terror suspects. He clashed with Trump on multiple fronts, including his support for free trade as being the best long term trade policy for the US, his support of the free press as the backbone of democracy, his revulsion for Russian strongman Vladimir Putin, his support for NATO, his championing of human rights all over the world, including for those seeking asylum from war-torn and unstable countries around the world, and his belief in a spirit of cooperation and bipartisanship.

"We argue and compete and sometimes even vilify each other in our raucous public debates", McCain wrote in his final farewell address. " But we have always had so much more in common with each other than in disagreement."

But as much as McCain is being honored today by decent Americans all over the country, the war for the soul of the Republican Party has been squarely won by Donald Trump and his brand of petty, relentlessly vindictive, and small-minded tribalism. He has learned that division, fear and hate-mongering, and paranoia are what the base wants. That Republican base is now squarely the party of Donald Trump. Trump's approval rating among registered Republicans now stands at 90%, compared to McCain at 32%.

So although Trump's insulting behavior and rhetoric toward McCain, both during his life and now as he has passed away, draws much disgust among Americans at large, it is unlikely to have much effect among his deplorable base. And it is unlikely we are ever going to see McCain's brand of politics from the GOP again for a very, very long time.

RIP, senator McCain. And thank you for your lifetime of service to our country.

Neither Trump nor McCain won.

The USA lost, again, just like it's been doing for the last 1 1/2 years. Sad to see such a great country go through such a big losing streak.

Acadia · Aug 28, 2018

ataraxia said:
John McCain's passing is being solemnly honored all over the country. He was known as a great statesman, as someone who put country and lofty ideals and American values above petty partisanship and tribalism. He respected his rivals, because he knew that even if he disagreed with them, that didn't make them bad people or people who deserved to be insulted. At the height of his presidential campaign against Obama, he stopped a woman who was starting to call Obama a Muslim, and saying how she was afraid. He reassured her that although he disagreed with Obama, he was a good man, and she had nothing to worry about. He will be remembered for his great legislative accomplishments and campaigns, such as his bipartisan pushes on immigration policy, or campaign finance legislation, or his crusade to ban the torture of terror suspects. He clashed with Trump on multiple fronts, including his support for free trade as being the best long term trade policy for the US, his support of the free press as the backbone of democracy, his revulsion for Russian strongman Vladimir Putin, his support for NATO, his championing of human rights all over the world, including for those seeking asylum from war-torn and unstable countries around the world, and his belief in a spirit of cooperation and bipartisanship.

"We argue and compete and sometimes even vilify each other in our raucous public debates", McCain wrote in his final farewell address. " But we have always had so much more in common with each other than in disagreement."

But as much as McCain is being honored today by decent Americans all over the country, the war for the soul of the Republican Party has been squarely won by Donald Trump and his brand of petty, relentlessly vindictive, and small-minded tribalism. He has learned that division, fear and hate-mongering, and paranoia are what the base wants. That Republican base is now squarely the party of Donald Trump. Trump's approval rating among registered Republicans now stands at 90%, compared to McCain at 32%.

So although Trump's insulting behavior and rhetoric toward McCain, both during his life and now as he has passed away, draws much disgust among Americans at large, it is unlikely to have much effect among his deplorable base. And it is unlikely we are ever going to see McCain's brand of politics from the GOP again for a very, very long time.

RIP, senator McCain. And thank you for your lifetime of service to our country.

The real losers are McCain's family, whose recent suffering and loss is being used as a cudgel against Trump.
They had a feud.
It's over.
Let the man be eulogized and buried in peace.

Like a bunch of craven vultures on a carcass. It's grotesque.

Mycroft · Aug 28, 2018

Mach said:
I assume you're referring to Trump.

Most people appear to respect McCain and lament the loss of him in the Senate. They don't idolize him.

Why would you think I am talking about him? I didn't see anything in the OP that idolizes Trump.

ttwtt78640 · Aug 28, 2018

Mycroft said:
It's easy to idolize a man when one deliberately forgets that man's failings.

The praising McCain's "brand of politics" (bipartisan efforts?) while supporting a resist, resist resist demorat party leadership position is also amusing. Upping the alleged percentage of "deplorables" among the republicant base from 50% to 90% is not exactly in line with McCain's "brand of politics" either. IMHO, much of the praise now (when it no longer matters?) for McCain is simply because McCain shared a dislike for Trump and not for any agreement with McCain's policy positions or "brand of politics".

chuckiechan · Aug 28, 2018

ataraxia said:
John McCain's passing is being solemnly honored all over the country. He was known as a great statesman, as someone who put country and lofty ideals and American values above petty partisanship and tribalism. He respected his rivals, because he knew that even if he disagreed with them, that didn't make them bad people or people who deserved to be insulted. At the height of his presidential campaign against Obama, he stopped a woman who was starting to call Obama a Muslim, and saying how she was afraid. He reassured her that although he disagreed with Obama, he was a good man, and she had nothing to worry about. He will be remembered for his great legislative accomplishments and campaigns, such as his bipartisan pushes on immigration policy, or campaign finance legislation, or his crusade to ban the torture of terror suspects. He clashed with Trump on multiple fronts, including his support for free trade as being the best long term trade policy for the US, his support of the free press as the backbone of democracy, his revulsion for Russian strongman Vladimir Putin, his support for NATO, his championing of human rights all over the world, including for those seeking asylum from war-torn and unstable countries around the world, and his belief in a spirit of cooperation and bipartisanship.

"We argue and compete and sometimes even vilify each other in our raucous public debates", McCain wrote in his final farewell address. " But we have always had so much more in common with each other than in disagreement."

But as much as McCain is being honored today by decent Americans all over the country, the war for the soul of the Republican Party has been squarely won by Donald Trump and his brand of petty, relentlessly vindictive, and small-minded tribalism. He has learned that division, fear and hate-mongering, and paranoia are what the base wants. That Republican base is now squarely the party of Donald Trump. Trump's approval rating among registered Republicans now stands at 90%, compared to McCain at 32%.

So although Trump's insulting behavior and rhetoric toward McCain, both during his life and now as he has passed away, draws much disgust among Americans at large, it is unlikely to have much effect among his deplorable base. And it is unlikely we are ever going to see McCain's brand of politics from the GOP again for a very, very long time.

RIP, senator McCain. And thank you for your lifetime of service to our country.

I hate long good bye's... It's over. Let it be over. Can't you find some fresh "ink". Mc Cain was a republican because there was no "independent" party for him to run with.

SonOfDaedalus · Aug 28, 2018

Acadia said:
The real losers are McCain's family, whose recent suffering and loss is being used as a cudgel against Trump.
They had a feud.
It's over.
Let the man be eulogized and buried in peace.

Like a bunch of craven vultures on a carcass. It's grotesque.

I'm sure Trump's staffer saying he doesn't matter because "he's dying anyway" brought them great comfort.

It's just a fact that Trump (aka Private Bone Spurs) said McCain wasn't a war hero and never apologized for it.

The Republican party has chosen a man without a shred of character to lead them. It says a lot about the 90% of Republicans who support him.

SonOfDaedalus · Aug 28, 2018

ttwtt78640 said:
IMHO, much of the praise now (when it no longer matters?) for McCain is simply because McCain shared a dislike for Trump and not for any agreement with McCain's policy positions or "brand of politics".

No. People praise McCain because:

1. He always tried to reach across the aisle
2. In 2008 he defended his opponent, Obama, when some supporter called him a Muslim.

McCain showed he was an honorable man who refused to stoop low to try and win. Trump is the opposite. Trump has no honor or integrity and will lie and insult everyone.

Linc · Aug 28, 2018

Mycroft said:
It's easy to idolize a man when one deliberately forgets that man's failings.

Imagine any of us idolizing #45 while forgetting the man’s failings.

PirateMk1 · Aug 28, 2018

Mach said:
I assume you're referring to Trump.

Most people appear to respect McCain and lament the loss of him in the Senate. They don't idolize him.

I wish McCain had left the senate a lot earlier. He was a decent pilot and a war hero, and crappy politician who was in DC way too long.

Acadia · Aug 28, 2018

SonOfDaedalus said:
I'm sure Trump's staffer saying he doesn't matter because "he's dying anyway" brought them great comfort.

It's just a fact that Trump (aka Private Bone Spurs) said McCain wasn't a war hero and never apologized for it.

The Republican party has chosen a man without a shred of character to lead them. It says a lot about the 90% of Republicans who support him.

Bravo! How long have you been holding the Kelli Ward card?:lamo
But with regard to your snark about "comfort", I bet it brought the McCains as much comfort as a leftist sicko saying the Trumps' son should be locked in a cage with a pedophile.

Linc · Aug 28, 2018

ttwtt78640 said:
The praising McCain's "brand of politics" (bipartisan efforts?) while supporting a resist, resist resist demorat party leadership position is also amusing. Upping the alleged percentage of "deplorables" among the republicant base from 50% to 90% is not exactly in line with McCain's "brand of politics" either. IMHO, much of the praise now (when it no longer matters?) for McCain is simply because McCain shared a dislike for Trump and not for any agreement with McCain's policy positions or "brand of politics".

Please continue with your false equivalence of trump versus a Real American Hero. Get ready to say Sen. O’Rourke.

On C-SPAN just now, SecDef Mattis and Joint Chiefs Chair Gen. Dunford were excellent. Thank Goodness

for our Generals.

It’s painfully obvious that the USA

and Israel

have sold out to Russia

around the Planet

Planet

holbritter · Aug 28, 2018

ataraxia said:
John McCain's passing is being solemnly honored all over the country. He was known as a great statesman, as someone who put country and lofty ideals and American values above petty partisanship and tribalism. He respected his rivals, because he knew that even if he disagreed with them, that didn't make them bad people or people who deserved to be insulted. At the height of his presidential campaign against Obama, he stopped a woman who was starting to call Obama a Muslim, and saying how she was afraid. He reassured her that although he disagreed with Obama, he was a good man, and she had nothing to worry about. He will be remembered for his great legislative accomplishments and campaigns, such as his bipartisan pushes on immigration policy, or campaign finance legislation, or his crusade to ban the torture of terror suspects. He clashed with Trump on multiple fronts, including his support for free trade as being the best long term trade policy for the US, his support of the free press as the backbone of democracy, his revulsion for Russian strongman Vladimir Putin, his support for NATO, his championing of human rights all over the world, including for those seeking asylum from war-torn and unstable countries around the world, and his belief in a spirit of cooperation and bipartisanship.

"We argue and compete and sometimes even vilify each other in our raucous public debates", McCain wrote in his final farewell address. " But we have always had so much more in common with each other than in disagreement."

But as much as McCain is being honored today by decent Americans all over the country, the war for the soul of the Republican Party has been squarely won by Donald Trump and his brand of petty, relentlessly vindictive, and small-minded tribalism. He has learned that division, fear and hate-mongering, and paranoia are what the base wants. That Republican base is now squarely the party of Donald Trump. Trump's approval rating among registered Republicans now stands at 90%, compared to McCain at 32%.

So although Trump's insulting behavior and rhetoric toward McCain, both during his life and now as he has passed away, draws much disgust among Americans at large, it is unlikely to have much effect among his deplorable base. And it is unlikely we are ever going to see McCain's brand of politics from the GOP again for a very, very long time.

RIP, senator McCain. And thank you for your lifetime of service to our country.

If you live your life by what polls might suggest, so be it. I for one do not believe Trump has won anything of the sort.
Where do you get this information that 90% of Republicans are Trump's base? Approval rating of what? How he is as a person, or economics? Policies? It makes a difference.

Felis Leo · Aug 28, 2018

ttwtt78640 said:
The praising McCain's "brand of politics" (bipartisan efforts?) while supporting a resist, resist resist demorat party leadership position is also amusing. Upping the alleged percentage of "deplorables" among the republicant base from 50% to 90% is not exactly in line with McCain's "brand of politics" either. IMHO, much of the praise now (when it no longer matters?) for McCain is simply because McCain shared a dislike for Trump and not for any agreement with McCain's policy positions or "brand of politics".

It certainly seems to support my working theory of how so many people (though not all) on the political left presently think and operate: to them, the only good conservative or Republican worthy of praise is a dead conservative or Republican.

A decade ago during the last presidential race, McCain was a stumbling, bloodthirsty dotard, like some kind of aged Ivan the Terrible, who was going to get the United States embroiled in a series of unending wars, then go non compos mentis, and leave the White House in the hands of an even more crazed Sarah Palin. Now that he has passed, he is lionized as a bipartisan peacemaker, a principled politician, and an overall good-spirited decent man. I'm glad to hear this is what so many people on the political left and in the media truly thought of him. I wish they had said these things more loudly during the 2008 presidential election.

Irwin Corey · Aug 28, 2018

Mycroft said:
Why would you think I am talking about him (tRump)? I didn't see anything in the OP that idolizes Trump.

But it's obvious YOU do! I'm assuming that's why.

Irwin Corey · Aug 28, 2018

chuckiechan said:
I hate long good bye's... It's over. Let it be over. Can't you find some fresh "ink". Mc Cain was a republican because there was no "independent" party for him to run with.

Mc Cain was a republican back to when Republicans were REPBULICANS, before the Koch's hi-jacked the party and (along with Reich wing hate media) convinced America's "forgotten that voting AGAINST their own interests was what they needed to do.

Linc said:
Imagine any of us idolizing #45 while forgetting the man’s failings.

Millions do!

Felis Leo said:
It certainly seems to support my working theory of how so many people (though not all) on the political left presently think and operate: to them, the only good conservative or Republican worthy of praise is a dead conservative or Republican.

B.S.!!!!!!!

Linc · Aug 28, 2018

Acadia said:
Bravo! How long have you been holding the Kelli Ward card?:lamo
But with regard to your snark about "comfort", I bet it brought the McCains as much comfort as a leftist sicko saying the Trumps' son should be locked in a cage with a pedophile.

Kelli Ward will split the crazy vote 🗳 with Joe Arpaio. She is the Future of the GOP.

Martha McSally presents herself as a cleaned up version of both.

Gone are the days of Goldwater and McCain

AncientGeek · Aug 28, 2018

Who wears it better, indeed.

Editorial cartoon: Chan Lowe on Trump and McCain - StarTribune.com

Irwin Corey · Aug 28, 2018

SonOfDaedalus said:
I'm sure Trump's staffer saying he doesn't matter because "he's dying anyway" brought them great comfort.

It's just a fact that Trump (aka Private Bone Spurs) said McCain wasn't a war hero and never apologized for it.

The Republican party has chosen a man without a shred of character to lead them. It says a lot about the 90% of Republicans who support him.

Amen!

ttwtt78640 · Aug 28, 2018

SonOfDaedalus said:
No. People praise McCain because:

1. He always tried to reach across the aisle
2. In 2008 he defended his opponent, Obama, when some supporter called him a Muslim.

McCain showed he was an honorable man who refused to stoop low to try and win. Trump is the opposite. Trump has no honor or integrity and will lie and insult everyone.

Hmm... do you see many demorats in congress (or running for POTUS) trying to reach accross the aisle or defending their opposition candidates? It is one thing to say that you support certain behavior in others but quite another to actually practice that behavior yourself. I certainly agree that McCain was a much better leader, human being and politician than Trump is but also note that you clipped much of my post to avoid addressing those other points.

Linc · Aug 28, 2018

StuPedaso said:
Amen!

Actually, it’s ‘Cadet Bone

Spurs, as coined by Illinois Sen. Tammy Duckworth.

Imagine, ‘My Vietnam

was not getting STDs’ being supported by Veterans and Farm Country.

Phony Patriotic Americans thinking

they own the USA

flag; with MAGA hats

Made in China

;

#45 disgracing an American Hero and hiding behind the flag he didn’t serve, trying to divide our Professional Sports because he wasn’t let in the club.

Linc · Aug 28, 2018

ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... do you see many demorats .

I put the stop

sign out here. Your Republicans control EVERYTHING right now.

Trump vs. McCain: Trump won

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