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Tibbetts death not about immigration: family

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Mollie Tibbetts’s death is about violence against women, not immigration, says a family member

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Friends and family of Mollie Tibbetts during a news conference in Montezuma, Iowa, on August 21, 2018.

8/27/18
When 20-year-old Mollie Tibbetts was found dead near her Iowa hometown, President Donald Trump quickly seized on the tragedy as a political talking point. The reason: The man charged with her murder, Cristhian Bahena Rivera, may be an unauthorized immigrant. Now, a member of Tibbetts’s family is pushing back on Trump’s narrative. Rivera’s immigration status is irrelevant, Tibbetts’s cousin Sandi Tibbetts Murphy wrote in a Facebook post on Friday. “He could have been a citizen, born in this country; he could have been an older, white man from anywhere; he could have been a man from Mollie’s world.” What really matters, Murphy argues, are the apparent circumstances of Tibbetts’s death: “Mollie was murdered because a man denied her right to say no.” For Murphy, the tragedy isn’t about the supposed dangers of illegal immigrants, as Trump has claimed. Instead, it’s about toxic masculinity. Tibbetts’s killer, she wrote, “is a man who felt entitled to impose himself on Mollie’s life, without consequence. He is a man who, because of his sense of male entitlement, refused to allow Mollie the right to reject his advances — the right to her own autonomy.”

“We must be willing to address the way we raise our boys and young men, so that violence is not a part of their response to this world,” she wrote. “Like the recent murders of the Colorado family or the similarly tragic homicide of Kate Steinle, Mollie’s death is further example of the toxic masculinity that exists in our society.” Other members of Tibbetts’s family have also resisted attempts to turn her death into anti-immigrant propaganda. “I’m a member of Mollie’s family and we are not so ****ing small-minded that we generalize a whole population based on some bad individuals,” Tibbetts’s cousin Samantha Lucas tweeted last week. Murphy closed her post with a similar sentiment. “You do not have permission to callously use this tragedy to demonize an entire population for the acts of one man,” she wrote. “No. We reclaim our Mollie.”

It is sickening how Trump and his brain-dead lemmings use Mollie's murder as a political cudgel. Her family also finds Trump's bottom-feeding-ways disgusting.

Related: Mollie Tibbetts's Father Ignores Trump, Thanks Hispanic Community for Search Help During Eulogy
 
Tibbetts' disappearance was about yet another missing coed. Her death is about sexual predators and also violence against women...and it's also, because the murderer is here illegally, about illegal immigration. There is no either/or here.
 
Tibbetts' disappearance was about yet another missing coed. Her death is about sexual predators and also violence against women...and it's also, because the murderer is here illegally, about illegal immigration. There is no either/or here.

It's really not. Immigrants of every kind commit crime less than citizens.
 
Tibbetts' disappearance was about yet another missing coed. Her death is about sexual predators and also violence against women...and it's also, because the murderer is here illegally, about illegal immigration. There is no either/or here.

Well said. I hadn't been keeping up with this story. I did not know that there was also a rape situation involved in this. Though unfortunately it doesn't surprise me that is the case. Anyways, it is quite possible that a single situation can cover multiple political topics. Which is what I think you're driving at. I just wish more people would understand that.

However, I am going to point out, in regards to what that family member said, that saying "toxic masculinity" does not help resolve the divide that's been going on. Masculinity in and of itself is not toxic. Saying things like that only puts the blame on an entire gender. Doing so is no more right than blaming all blacks for crimes or blaming homosexuals for HIV/AIDS or all Muslims for terrorist activities or all Christians for wanting to restrict women's Rights. Every group has bad actors in it. That does not make the entire group bad.
 
Illegal immigrants by their very nature commit more crimes than citizens

We could probably include the "better life" charge and they still commit less crime per cap.
 
Illegal immigrants by their very nature commit more crimes than citizens

Nonsense.

Just another fact-free, fake news comment.

There are actual FACTS out there that prove that undocumented immigrants commit FEWER crimes than the native American population.
 
Mollie Tibbetts’s death is about violence against women, not immigration, says a family member

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Friends and family of Mollie Tibbetts during a news conference in Montezuma, Iowa, on August 21, 2018.



It is sickening how Trump and his brain-dead lemmings use Mollie's murder as a political cudgel. Her family also finds Trump's bottom-feeding-ways disgusting.

Related: Mollie Tibbetts's Father Ignores Trump, Thanks Hispanic Community for Search Help During Eulogy

Victims dont decide for me what is reality or what I think or what I say.

They get to decide for themselves only just like everyone else.

Victim Culture has rotted out this society.

We lost our sense.
 
Even with the Tibbetts family correcting them, the Trumpers march right on with their bigoted delusions.
 
Nonsense.

Just another fact-free, fake news comment.

There are actual FACTS out there that prove that undocumented immigrants commit FEWER crimes than the native American population.

No the facts prove that legal immigrants commit less crimes. The median american commits less than 1 crime, and illegal immigrants by definition have committed 1 crime

Just another person who thinks they know a fact but in reality just know enough to make themselves look stupid
 
No the facts prove that legal immigrants commit less crimes. The median american commits less than 1 crime, and illegal immigrants by definition have committed 1 crime

Just another person who thinks they know a fact but in reality just know enough to make themselves look stupid

Where is your citations? Or are you an authority?
 
Tibbetts' disappearance was about yet another missing coed. Her death is about sexual predators and also violence against women...and it's also, because the murderer is here illegally, about illegal immigration. There is no either/or here.

Actually, it's the kind of thing that if/when someone "on the left" says that another mass shooting might give reason to consider a way of keeping guns out of the hands of the kind of mentally damaged person to do that, many "on the right" pile on that person and accuse them of politicizing a tragedy with nary a peep from other people on the right.

In fact, you can comments in threads on Tibbetts' death where people who used her murder to talk about illegal immigration justifying doing so via whattaboutisms regarding gun control.



They must feel they're sitting pretty, what with the ability to use murders to talk about illegal immigration while also slamming "liberals" for using mass murders to talk about gun control.
 
Mollie Tibbetts’s death is about violence against women, not immigration, says a family member

mollie-tibbetts-press-conf-ap-ml-180822_hpMain_16x9_608.jpg

Friends and family of Mollie Tibbetts during a news conference in Montezuma, Iowa, on August 21, 2018.



It is sickening how Trump and his brain-dead lemmings use Mollie's murder as a political cudgel. Her family also finds Trump's bottom-feeding-ways disgusting.

Related: Mollie Tibbetts's Father Ignores Trump, Thanks Hispanic Community for Search Help During Eulogy

Sorry, but neither Mollys cousin, nor you, get to determine how this issue is framed or discussed. If you dont want it to be about illegal immigration, too bad.
 
Tibbetts' disappearance was about yet another missing coed. Her death is about sexual predators and also violence against women...and it's also, because the murderer is here illegally, about illegal immigration. There is no either/or here.

The fact the man was an illegal does not change anything. There is 1 rape every minute of the day in the United States and 1000 corpses every year from sexual predators and though this 1 death may have been prevented if this man had not entered the U.S. illegally, it does not mean that illegal immigrants are what is causing the problem. It is sexual predating that is causing the problem. 1 out of 1000 is not a good reason for Trump to go bananas over this and blame illegal immigration. What Trump should actually be doing is keying on sexual predators and not on trying to simply please his base.

https://www.thenation.com/article/rape-minute-thousand-corpses-year/
 
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Victims dont decide for me what is reality or what I think or what I say.

They get to decide for themselves only just like everyone else.

Victim Culture has rotted out this society.

We lost our sense.

What a fake victim that MURDERED person is.

:roll:




Are you trying to win an award for most absurdly provocative and equally stupid statements made on the first page of threads?
 
The point here is, the Tibbetts family believes Cristhian Bahena Rivera killed Mollie solely because he is a sexual predator, not because he is an immigrant or a Hispanic.
 
Illegal immigrants by their very nature commit more crimes than citizens

You really need to get your FACTS straight.

Trump has frequently pointed to sympathetic crime victims to justify his get-tough policies at the Southern border. But experts say the president's rhetoric overstates the threat posed by immigrants, who tend to commit crime at lower rates than people who are born in the United States.

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/622540331/fact-check-trump-illegal-immigration-and-crime

and.....

While any death is tragic, a February 2018 study by the Cato Institute using 2015 crime statistics from Texas found immigrants in the country illegally were 25 percent less likely to be convicted of homicide than native-born Americans. (Legal immigrants were 87 percent less likely.)

According to the study, immigrants in the country illegally were also 11.5 percent less likely than native-born Americans to be convicted of sexual assault and 79 percent less likely to be convicted of larceny.
 
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Mollie Tibbetts’s death is about violence against women, not immigration, says a family member

mollie-tibbetts-press-conf-ap-ml-180822_hpMain_16x9_608.jpg

Friends and family of Mollie Tibbetts during a news conference in Montezuma, Iowa, on August 21, 2018.



It is sickening how Trump and his brain-dead lemmings use Mollie's murder as a political cudgel. Her family also finds Trump's bottom-feeding-ways disgusting.

Related: Mollie Tibbetts's Father Ignores Trump, Thanks Hispanic Community for Search Help During Eulogy
First off, both parties are equally as guilty of using a tragedy to promote a political agenda as the other. Hours after the shooting in Jacksonville, there was already people advocating for more gun control. Secondly, despite the fact that the family is greiving, once they open to the political spectrum (by saying her death has nothing to do with immigration), their opinion is fair game for criticism.
 
What a fake victim that MURDERED person is.

:roll:




Are you trying to win an award for most absurdly provocative and equally stupid statements made on the first page of threads?

You are not known for your comprehension failures.
 
No the facts prove that legal immigrants commit less crimes. The median american commits less than 1 crime, and illegal immigrants by definition have committed 1 crime

Just another person who thinks they know a fact but in reality just know enough to make themselves look stupid

Of course, you can prove that if you use a 'crime study' that omits that obvious prerequisite federal crime - thus it wipes the slate clean of those immigration law violations.
 
First off, both parties are equally as guilty of using a tragedy to promote a political agenda as the other. Hours after the shooting in Jacksonville, there was already people advocating for more gun control. Secondly, despite the fact that the family is greiving, once they open to the political spectrum (by saying her death has nothing to do with immigration), their opinion is fair game for criticism.

You of course you have nothing to lose. They lost their beloved child.

I'll go with their intimate and more informed opinion.
 
First off, both parties are equally as guilty of using a tragedy to promote a political agenda as the other. Hours after the shooting in Jacksonville, there was already people advocating for more gun control. Secondly, despite the fact that the family is greiving, once they open to the political spectrum (by saying her death has nothing to do with immigration), their opinion is fair game for criticism.

All who step up to the politics plate to tell me what I should think and feel are fair game for my withering criticism.
 
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