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Illegal immigrant kills grandmother and behead 13 year-old

RabidAlpaca said:
Well according to many of the posters here, if you support LEGAL immigration then you are directly responsible for any crimes those immigrants commit. Sound stupid? Yeah, I thought so too. Cherry picking crimes to demonize an entire group is bull****.
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Who is saying that?
 
Fletch said:
Who is saying that?
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The arguments being made can equally be applied to illegal immigrants, legal immigrants, whites, blacks, or any group of people you want to demonize.

"If you support group X being allowed to be in this country, every crime any one of them commits is blood on YOUR hands."

Sound completely stupid and unconvincing? I agree.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
The things you say about illegal immigrants can equally apply to legal immigrants, white people, black people, or any other group you choose to demonize. Their immigration status and the crimes a cherry picked one of them commit have nothing to do with each other. You might as well say "look at this black person who committed murder! As long as you Negro synoathizers allow them to be in our country, the blood is on your hands!"

It's a stupid argument from people with an obvious agenda.

The vast, vast majority of immigrants, legal or otherwise, do not commit violent crimes. Constantly parading around the rare crimes they do commit just exposes your own bigotry and agenda.
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Again....you fail to admit that the murders by these illegals wouldn't have happened if they weren't here to begin with.

There isn't one ounce of honesty about you.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
The arguments being made can equally be applied to illegal immigrants, legal immigrants, whites, blacks, or any group of people you want to demonize.
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But they arent, so you just made that **** up.

"If you support group X being allowed to be in this country, every crime any one of them commits is blood on YOUR hands."

Sound completely stupid and unconvincing? I agree.
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It is a 'stupid and unconvincing' argument, but then again, you are the only one making it.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Again....you fail to admit that the murders by these illegals wouldn't have happened if they weren't here to begin with.

There isn't one ounce of honesty about you.
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Again, you fail to admit that if white people weren't allowed in America we'd have a lot less mass shootings and would all be safer.
 
FreeWits said:
Using your ridiculous numbers,
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Woah down there! The Washington Post is a reputable source. What evidence do you have that they are wrong?

you're saying that Trump was aiming to piss off 75% of his base,
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Woah down there! When did I say "Trump was aiming to piss off 75% of his base"?

As far as I can tell Trump publicly supporting the KKK and Neo Nazis by saying some are "very fine people" didn't piss off any of his base. They just deny it ever happened. That's what you do right?

because if 25% of his base supports Neo-Nazis, 75% doesn't.
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As I said above, the other 75% just deny it ever happened.

And again, that's using your ridiculous numbers.
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Yes, I know. I gave a reputable source and you claim it's wrong because.....Luggenpresse!!

It's hilarious how you think that as a country we went from electing and then reelecting a Black President
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Yeah, that sure pissed off a lot of Americans. Including Trump. He kept the racist Birther Movement going strong that whole time. Many of the people in that movement became his base.


to electing a President with supposedly masses of White Supremacists.
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"masses"? When did I ever say "masses"?

Just overnight, suddenly there were all these White Supremacists.
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Just overnight? The racist Birther Movement has been going strong since before Obama was elected. Were you out of the country the last 10 years?
 
D_NATURED said:
Not from me. I'm accusing you of being a hysterical ninny. By your standard, those who exceed the speed limit (a crime) should probably be investigated for unsolved murders.
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You seem to be projecting your ninny-ness outwards. You speed, pay a ticket, life goes on. You cross into another country illegally and you're virtually always illegal from that point on -- no passing Go -- no collecting of a green card. Everyday an illegal wakes up and hides his/her status is another day they choose to continue committing the crime. A crime in perpetuity.

There is a vast difference betweenentering the US illegally to feed your family and murdering people. It's THAT logical stretch that makes you seem not just anti-migrant but anti-human.
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Of course there is -- we're talking about a predisposition to committing additional crimes.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Again, you fail to admit that if white people weren't allowed in America we'd have a lot less mass shootings and would all be safer.
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You are the one that turned it into a...….but.....but.....but..... "white thing"

You are not honest enough to answer a direct question that I had asked of you.

You are the one that turns every direct question asked of you into something else whenever you run out of answers.


Again......if that murderer was not in the country to begin with, how could he have committed this murder?
 
RetiredUSN said:
You are the one that turned it into a...….but.....but.....but..... "white thing"

You are not honest enough to answer a direct question that I had asked of you.

You are the one that turns every direct question asked of you into something else whenever you run out of answers.


Again......if that murderer was not in the country to begin with, how could he have committed this murder?
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He couldn't have, just as if we removed all the white people they never could do all of these mass shootings. It's a stupid point you're trying to make.
 
RetiredUSN said:
You are the one that turned it into a...….but.....but.....but..... "white thing"

You are not honest enough to answer a direct question that I had asked of you.

You are the one that turns every direct question asked of you into something else whenever you run out of answers.


Again......if that murderer was not in the country to begin with, how could he have committed this murder?
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How exactly could you have stopped the murderer from being in the country?

He's an evil criminal, like the argument for guns say you can't stop criminals from using guns for crimes which is a price of freedom to own guns, we can't stop all criminals from somehow getting into the country and committing crimes. Or no?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
He couldn't have, just as if we removed all the white people they never could do all of these mass shootings. It's a stupid point you're trying to make.
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As is your inability to be honest with most subjects, especially refusing to admit that illegals that have murdered people in the USA would have never murdered within the USA the first place if they were not breaking laws already by being here.

Making it into a race issue as you always do is just dishonest.
 
RetiredUSN said:
As is your inability to be honest with most subjects, especially refusing to admit that illegals that have murdered people in the USA would have never murdered within the USA the first place if they were not breaking laws already by being here.

Making it into a race issue as you always do is just dishonest.
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If there were none of those pesky whites in the US all of their victims would still be alive. How is this a convincing argument?

What's the difference between legal and illegal immigrants when judging murders? You'd have us shut the border to literally everyone just to be safe? Stop living in fear.
 
HowardBThiname said:
You seem to be projecting your ninny-ness outwards. You speed, pay a ticket, life goes on. You cross into another country illegally and you're virtually always illegal from that point on -- no passing Go -- no collecting of a green card. Everyday an illegal wakes up and hides his/her status is another day they choose to continue committing the crime. A crime in perpetuity.
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Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor. All of the "pattern of criminality" BS is humorous but dumb. In your great wisdom and humanity you seem to think that people should allow their children to starve rather than take a job without the proper credentials. That's not reasonable, it's naive and cruel.



Of course there is -- we're talking about a predisposition to committing additional crimes.
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Are all crimes and criminals equal in your right wing paranoid state? This argument you're making is utterly lacking in nuance. Whenever the right tries to present complex issues so ignorantly, you know they've already lost not just the high intellectual and moral ground but the debate itself.

Save your piss poor excuses to hate for the angry white denizens of the Murka first crowd. They've already accepted their apathy and ignorance as normal and acceptable. I've got only disdain for such resolute inhumanity.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I don't broadcast or dismiss crimes from any groups because I don't have an agenda to push by doing so. Why are you only so passionate about labeling liberals and immigrants as criminals? When a white guy shoots a dozen people you come along saying "Now now, we shouldn't judge all whites or gun owners by the action of a single rogue!" when it's a brown immigrant you parade it around and say everyone who supports immigration has blood on their hands for letting the evil brown people in. You have an agenda to oush.
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Again...………..you are making skin color your entire argument.


:lamo



What part of the term illegal alien is it that you just can't grasp?

If the guy was never here, does the murder ever happen?
 
D_NATURED said:
Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor. All of the "pattern of criminality" BS is humorous but dumb. In your great wisdom and humanity you seem to think that people should allow their children to starve rather than take a job without the proper credentials. That's not reasonable, it's naive and cruel.





Are all crimes and criminals equal in your right wing paranoid state? This argument you're making is utterly lacking in nuance. Whenever the right tries to present complex issues so ignorantly, you know they've already lost not just the high intellectual and moral ground but the debate itself.

Save your piss poor excuses to hate for the angry white denizens of the Murka first crowd. They've already accepted their apathy and ignorance as normal and acceptable. I've got only disdain for such resolute inhumanity.
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Illegals are living in a constant state of crime -- everyday they make the choice once again -- to remain criminals.

Quite a bit different from a speeding ticket.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Again...………..you are making skin color your entire argument.


:lamo



What part of the term illegal alien is it that you just can't grasp?

If the guy was never here, does the murder ever happen?
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If white people aren't here, does the mass shooting ever happen?
 
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