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The Wizard of the Saddle

LewisTT said:
How*am I ignoring slavery? I'm the one who brought up how the South was meeting their end of the "supply and demand" chain.*

They rebelled when the North levied taxes against the South without representation.*

"NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION"*

Ring a bell? It should. It was the war cry of the American Revolution.*

Funny that the slavery situation was well established long before the Civil War, and that none of the great Northern politicians had a problem with it until MONEY was involved. Want me to pull up a Google list of all the American presidents who were slave owners?
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He was the Butcher of Fort Pillow
 
vegas giants said:
Did George Washington murder hundreds of surrendered troops?
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He admitted*he was a terrorist

but THIS thread is about the*greatest calvary leader in American history... Nathan Bedford Forrest
 
LewisTT said:
He admitted*he was a terrorist

but THIS thread is about the*greatest calvary leader in American history... Nathan Bedford Forrest
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It is about

The Butcher of Fort Pillow
 
LewisTT said:
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Even*his enemies admire the greatest calvary leader in American history
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Isn't this a bit of a "sensitive" thread to be starting?
I would welcome a discussion of N B Forrest if this was in the HISTORY section, but putting in the POLITICAL section?
As a member with only 87 posts, might it be best to post less sensitive topics until people have gotten to know you?
Do what you want to do, but dang.

I think Ching Shih was the most successful pirate in the world, but she started out as a whore and worked her way up to commanding 1800 ships and over 80, 000 pirates. But how she got there does not make for enjoyable reading.
 
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LewisTT said:
tell*everyone all about it Vegas ...

go ahead....


but you wont cause it was a great victory for Forrest
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I will. This is your hero


Forrest's Confederate forces were accused of subjecting Union captured soldiers to extreme brutality, with allegations of back-shooting soldiers who fled into the river, shooting wounded soldiers, burning men alive, nailing men to barrels and igniting them, crucifixion, and hacking men to death with sabers.[100] Forrest's men were alleged to have set fire to a Union barracks with wounded Union soldiers inside
 
LewisTT said:
are*you immune to facts? Facts to you are like kryponite to Superman right


the mans tactics were taught at West Point. Forrest was born an American and died an American and he was the greatest American cavalry solider this country ever produced.
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He only died as an American because the CSA was defeated by Americans.
 
vegas giants said:
I will. This is your hero


Forrest's Confederate forces were accused of subjecting Union captured soldiers to extreme brutality, with allegations of back-shooting soldiers who fled into the river, shooting wounded soldiers, burning men alive, nailing men to barrels and igniting them, crucifixion, and hacking men to death with sabers.[100] Forrest's men were alleged to have set fire to a Union barracks with wounded Union soldiers inside
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Wrong
 
LewisTT said:
Wrong
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Forrest's Confederate forces were accused of subjecting Union captured soldiers to extreme brutality, with allegations of back-shooting soldiers who fled into the river, shooting wounded soldiers, burning men alive, nailing men to barrels and igniting them, crucifixion, and hacking men to death with sabers.[100] Forrest's men were alleged to have set fire to a Union barracks with wounded Union soldiers inside]
 
LewisTT said:
Wrong
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The slaughter was awful. Words cannot describe the scene. The poor deluded negroes would run up to our men fall upon their knees and with uplifted hands scream for mercy but they were ordered to their feet and then shot down. The white men fared but little better. Their fort turned out to be a great slaughter pen. Blood, human blood stood about in pools and brains could have been gathered up in any quantity.
 
vegas giants said:
The slaughter was awful. Words cannot describe the scene. The poor deluded negroes would run up to our men fall upon their knees and with uplifted hands scream for mercy but they were ordered to their feet and then shot down. The white men fared but little better. Their fort turned out to be a great slaughter pen. Blood, human blood stood about in pools and brains could have been gathered up in any quantity.
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You’re*disconnected from reality.

Just in case you have forgotten or never learned about US History, let's take a look at what was going on in the US at the time.*

There was the establishment in the NE, and then there was a huge amount of open territory to the West. That caused this to happen:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

"The*Trail of Tears*was a series of*forced relocationsof*Native American peoples*from their ancestral homelands in the*Southeastern United States, to areas to the west (usually west of the*Mississippi River) that had been designated as Indian Territory. The forced relocations were carried out by government authorities following the passage of the*Indian Removal Act*in 1830. The relocated peoples suffered from exposure, disease, and starvation while en route to their new designated reserve, and many died before reaching their destinations. The forced removals included members of the*Cherokee,*Muscogee*(Creek),*Seminole,*Chickasaw,*Choctaw,*Ponca, and Ho-Chunk/Winnebago nations. The phrase "Trail of Tears" originates from a description of the removal of many Native American tribes, including the infamous Cherokee Nation relocation in 1838.[1][2][3]*"
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But*there's more.

Just a few years before*the Civil War began, there were a little bit of attention drawn to the unsettled territories here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Gold_Rush

" The*California Gold Rush*(1848–1855) began on January 24, 1848, when*gold*was found by*James W. Marshall*at*Sutter's Mill*in*Coloma, California.[1]*The news of gold brought approximately 300,000 people to*California*from the rest of the United States and abroad.[2]*The sudden influx of gold into the money supply reinvigorated the American economy, and the sudden population increase allowed California to go rapidly to statehood, in the*Compromise of 1850. The Gold Rush had severe effects on*Native Californiansand resulted in a precipitous population decline from disease,*genocide*and starvation. By the time it ended, California had gone from a thinly populated ex-Mexican territory, to having one of its first two U.S. Senators,*John C. Frémont, selected to be the first presidential nominee for the new*Republican Party, in 1856
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So*yes, Virginia, it was about the same thing all wars have been about. MONEY and POWER. Both sides of the conflict wanted to be able to lay claim to the unsettled territories in the US and the resources they contained. Slavery was a*part of it, but not the main cause.

*I'm just pointing out that politicians back then were not much different from the ones we have now.

The*Gold Rush happened immediately before the Civil War, and a lot of unsettled territories were up for grabs. The South thought that they could become their own country and lay claim to those territories and the unknown resources they contained. Slavery was the "line in the sand" drawn by both sides, similar to the WMDs in Iraq.
 
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LewisTT said:
You’re*disconnected from reality.

Just in case you have forgotten or never learned about US History, let's take a look at what was going on in the US at the time.*

There was the establishment in the NE, and then there was a huge amount of open territory to the West. That caused this to happen:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears


But*there's more.

Just a few years before*the Civil War began, there were a little bit of attention drawn to the unsettled territories here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Gold_Rush



So*yes, Virginia, it was about the same thing all wars have been about. MONEY and POWER. Both sides of the conflict wanted to be able to lay claim to the unsettled territories in the US and the resources they contained. Slavery was a*part of it, but not the main cause.

*I'm just pointing out that politicians back then were not much different from the ones we have now.

The*Gold Rush happened immediately before the Civil War, and a lot of unsettled territories were up for grabs. The South thought that they could become their own country and lay claim to those territories and the unknown resources they contained. Slavery was the "line in the sand" drawn by both sides, similar to the WMDs in Iraq.
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Uh...ok. He still murdered surrending soldiers. He is a murderer
 
All of a sudden the REAL AMERICAN got very quiet. LOL
 
vegas giants said:
Me too. What unit did you serve in?
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US*NAVY, INTEL, mostly in GTMO BEFORE it became famous for a little over 3 years, then to the US NAVY TOP GUN school*in Nevada, Fallon NAVAL AIR.
 
LewisTT said:
US*NAVY, INTEL, mostly in GTMO BEFORE it became famous for a little over 3 years, then to the US NAVY TOP GUN school*in Nevada, Fallon NAVAL AIR.
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I call BS
 
LewisTT said:
Try reading the content. N. B.*Forrests*tactics were taught at West Point.

The*fact that you sensitive liberals hate American heroes just makes you guys commie lovers.
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Here you go:
The soldier who engineered this tactical masterpiece at Tishomingo Creek provides the warfighter with an experience that epitomizes
the intent of FM 100-5. Generations of leaders have studied this battle to determine how General Nathan Bedford Forrest achieved
the virtual annihilation of a better equipped and supplied Union army that outnumbered his forces almost three to one. The battlefield
is a virtual tactical time capsule.

The battle duplicated Hannibal's tactics at Cannae and was considered by Rommel as a classic. Forrest's victory at Brice's Cross Roads was the subject of a class taught at the French War College by Marshal Ferdinand Foch before World War I, and his mobile campaigns were studied by the German general Erwin Rommel, who as commander of the Afrika Korps in World War II emulated his tactics on a wider scale, with tanks and trucks.
 
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