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As it turns out, the FBI, SDNY prosecutors, Cohen and his lawyers and the Judge are all incompetent idiots. They all went along with Cohen pleading guilty to two counts that are not even illegal. What a bunch of morons. What would we do without Trump to tell us what is and isn't legal?

"Michael Cohen plead [sic] guilty to two counts of campaign finance violations that are not a crime," Trump wrote in a tweet.
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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/22/trump-obama-campaign-finance-violations-791377
 
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prometeus said:
As it turns out, the FBI, SDNY prosecutors, Cohen and his lawyers and the Judge are all incompetent idiots. They all went along with Cohen pleading guilty to two counts that are not even illegal. What a bunch of morons. What would we do without Trump to tell us what is and isn't legal?


https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/22/trump-obama-campaign-finance-violations-791377
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Only conservative laws matter.
Only what Hannity says is news.
Only what the GEOTUS says is truth.
 
prometeus said:
As it turns out, the FBI, SDNY prosecutors, Cohen and his lawyers and the Judge are all incompetent idiots. They all went along with Cohen pleading guilty to two counts that are not even illegal. What a bunch of morons. What would we do without Trump to tell us what is and isn't legal?


https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/22/trump-obama-campaign-finance-violations-791377
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You don't have to believe Trump if you don't want to, but you probably should believe the former Chairman of the FEC. He says the same thing Trump does.
 
Mycroft said:
You don't have to believe Trump if you don't want to
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Really? I thought it was mandatory and that is why you are such an ardent devotee.

but you probably should believe the former Chairman of the FEC. He says the same thing Trump does.
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He does? When and where?
 
prometeus said:
So what? How does a thread or the opinion of a former half of the FEC chair, especially one who was and is against campaign financial rules, make a difference?
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Ummm...

This guy knows the law.
 
prometeus said:
So what? How does a thread or the opinion of a former half of the FEC chair, especially one who was and is against campaign financial rules, make a difference?
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Oh now, so what? :lamo
 
Trump talking out of his ass as usual.
 
Trump went to law school that graded tests with smiley faces.
 
Let me see if I am understanding the defense logic (term used loosely) of the Trump supporters here regarding Cohen:
Cohen (an attorney) pleads guilty to a crime that Trump says is not a crime.
A Judge (with a law degree) accepts a guilty plea from Cohen for a crime that Trump claims is not a crime.
So, Cohen is now guilty of a "non crime"? How exactly can you be GUILTY of no wrongdoing?

As Spock would say, "Illogical Captain".
 
Bajaoutlaw said:
Let me see if I am understanding the defense logic (term used loosely) of the Trump supporters here regarding Cohen:
Cohen (an attorney) pleads guilty to a crime that Trump says is not a crime.
A Judge (with a law degree) accepts a guilty plea from Cohen for a crime that Trump claims is not a crime.
So, Cohen is now guilty of a "non crime"? How exactly can you be GUILTY of no wrongdoing?

As Spock would say, "Illogical Captain".
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Judge Kimba Woods, 2nd failed Bill Clinton AG appointee ---- prejudiced, maybe? She already divulged prejudicially Cohen's other, unrelated clients to the public for no valid reason... other than to possibly embarrass.

Would you plead guilty to a non-existent crime to get a much lesser sentence for real crimes it is undeniable you committed?


Additinally, all campaigns have irregularities, slenderman in 2008 election paid the largest fines in US history. The hold overs from the slenderman DOJ have a hard on for Trump and will do anything to anybody associated even tangentially with the current president... this is the result.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Judge Kimba Woods, 2nd failed Bill Clinton AG appointee ---- prejudiced, maybe? She already divulged prejudicially Cohen's other, unrelated clients to the public for no valid reason... other than to possibly embarrass.

Would you plead guilty to a non-existent crime to get a much lesser sentence for real crimes it is undeniable you committed?


Additinally, all campaigns have irregularities, slenderman in 2008 election paid the largest fines in US history. The hold overs from the slenderman DOJ have a hard on for Trump and will do anything to anybody associated even tangentially with the current president... this is the result.
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Obama's issue was late filing, not an effort to conceal an illicit affair from voters. That said, you need to save the rest of that "dribble" for somebody that buys into ridiculous conspiracy theories. The point that you sorely missed is that in a court of law, you CANNOT be charged or plead guilty to that which IS NOT a crime.
 
Bajaoutlaw said:
Let me see if I am understanding the defense logic (term used loosely) of the Trump supporters here regarding Cohen:
Cohen (an attorney) pleads guilty to a crime that Trump says is not a crime.
A Judge (with a law degree) accepts a guilty plea from Cohen for a crime that Trump claims is not a crime.
So, Cohen is now guilty of a "non crime"? How exactly can you be GUILTY of no wrongdoing?

As Spock would say, "Illogical Captain".
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The argument is that the law on the point is vague and can go either way.
Trump uses personal funds to pay off a ex-girlfriend from several years ago and doesnt declare it as a donation. The claim is that its an illegal campaign donation as its purpose was to silence somebody who could influence the election in a negative manner.
But lets say Trump had used campaign funds to pay off his ex-girlfriend from several years ago. The law also says this is an illegal use of campaign funds for personal use (how damaging would it have really been to Trump to learn that he had an affair?).

Mueller has his choice of interpretations (he no doubt would tell Giulliani that the truth is not the truth). And Cohen probably doesnt have the $$$$ for a protracted legal battle over Muellers version of the truth. So Cohen settles.
 
Bajaoutlaw said:
Obama's issue was late filing, not an effort to conceal an illicit affair from voters. That said, you need to save the rest of that "dribble" for somebody that buys into ridiculous conspiracy theories. The point that you sorely missed is that in a court of law, you CANNOT be charged or plead guilty to that which IS NOT a crime.
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Conceal an "illicit affair"? Really. Donald Trump had an affair? Who'd a thunk it?

Besides, with respect to Obama, the law is the law. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse, ect ect

With respect to Cohen, as has been pointed out, there could have been a crime had campaign funds been used to pay the girlfriend.
 
Bajaoutlaw said:
Let me see if I am understanding the defense logic (term used loosely) of the Trump supporters here regarding Cohen:
Cohen (an attorney) pleads guilty to a crime that Trump says is not a crime.
A Judge (with a law degree) accepts a guilty plea from Cohen for a crime that Trump claims is not a crime.
So, Cohen is now guilty of a "non crime"? How exactly can you be GUILTY of no wrongdoing?

As Spock would say, "Illogical Captain".
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The prosecutors made the claim of a violation of law. Cohen pleaded guilty to the claim. But the claim was never tested in any court proceedings for viability. And then we have a former FEC Chairman, who would presumably be very familiar with the actual law, saying that there is no violation. So yes, it is quite possible that Cohen is now considered guilty of a non-crime.

Perhaps it would have been better if the judge had not accepted the guilty plea for the campaign contribution charges? Perhaps the judge should have demanded that prosecutors actually prove that a crime was committed? Or, would that have opened up that judge to the scorn and attacks from the Trump haters?

I don't know.
 
Bajaoutlaw said:
Obama's issue was late filing, not an effort to conceal an illicit affair from voters. That said, you need to save the rest of that "dribble" for somebody that buys into ridiculous conspiracy theories. The point that you sorely missed is that in a court of law, you CANNOT be charged or plead guilty to that which IS NOT a crime.
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Yeah?

Prove it. We have right here a case in point in WHICH IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED, for godssakes.

And slendermans infraction was a little more complcated than that. Also was an actual violation assessed by the proper assessing authority. Not by the then DOJ that would not, simply refused to investigate its own. Trumps DOJ, heavy on the weaponization of the department with leftist deep state hold overs from the prior misadministration, will actually look into just mere alusions that Trump might have jay walked...

An impeachable offense, you know.
 
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