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So basically Trump's not even denying his own guilty anymore...

longview said:
Not really, if Trump ordered Cohen to pay hush money, then it is NOT a crime.
It is only a crime, if Cohen acting on his own paid Hush money with no expectation of reimbursement,
because it could then be viewed as an undocumented campaign contribution.
A candidate is allowed to spend as much of his own money on his campaign as he wants to , and for whatever
legal purpose he wants to, and paying hush money is legal.
One could almost say that the special prosecutor is suborning perjury, by allowing Cohen to plead
guilty to something that they know is not a crime.
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The payments did not appear in the FEC filings.
 
MrWonka said:
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article...mpeachment-cohen-manafort?utm_source=vicefbus



So basically at this point, Trump isn't even trying to deny that he's guilty of any of the crimes he's been accused of. Instead, he's trying to argue that despite his crimes we shouldn't impeach him because he's doing a phenomenal job, and our entire economy would collapse and be destroyed if not for him and him alone in the White House keeping it afloat.

As if somehow our economy wasn't already doing fairly well before he came along. As if our economy hasn't been phenomenal at countless other times in the past with completely different leadership(most of which was Democrats).


Alright, Trumpsters... What's it going to be now? Your own president isn't even denying he's guilty anymore. Are you still denying it? Are you going to ignore a criminal president because apparently, our economy couldn't survive any other president besides him? Pence would destroy us?
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trump hasn't been charged with any crime. why wouldn't he?
 
MrWonka said:
Then why would he plead guilty to it? He's a lawyer that is specifically trained in this exact stuff. Even Rudy at first said Trump wasn't stupid enough to pay cash. Until of course, he did.
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Doesn't a lawyer have typically more than 2 clients?
 
jc456 said:
no it's not. but why post facts.

Dershowitz: Trump Did Not Commit a Crime If He Paid Women Out of His Own Pocket | Fox News Insider

"Harvard Law professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz said Thursday on "America's Newsroom" that it was "absolutely not" a crime if President Trump paid two women out of his own pocket."
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So now you're relying on the guy that got O.J. Simpson off huh?

Cohen committed a crime. He pled guilty to that crime, and Trump is the one who told him to commit it. It's really that simple.
 
MrWonka said:
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article...mpeachment-cohen-manafort?utm_source=vicefbus



So basically at this point, Trump isn't even trying to deny that he's guilty of any of the crimes he's been accused of. Instead, he's trying to argue that despite his crimes we shouldn't impeach him because he's doing a phenomenal job, and our entire economy would collapse and be destroyed if not for him and him alone in the White House keeping it afloat.

As if somehow our economy wasn't already doing fairly well before he came along. As if our economy hasn't been phenomenal at countless other times in the past with completely different leadership(most of which was Democrats).


Alright, Trumpsters... What's it going to be now? Your own president isn't even denying he's guilty anymore. Are you still denying it? Are you going to ignore a criminal president because apparently, our economy couldn't survive any other president besides him? Pence would destroy us?
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what crimes?

so far there are no crimes has been accused of.
that is the problem with you guys when constantly asked what crimes you can't come up with anything.

No evidence of obstruction
no evidence of collusion with russia so far.

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/403072-did-president-trump-violate-campaign-finance-laws
Dershowitz: Trump 'more correct than his critics are' with claims about Daniels, McDougal payments | Fox News

check your TDS at the door.
 
longview said:
Not really, if Trump ordered Cohen to pay hush money, then it is NOT a crime.
It is only a crime, if Cohen acting on his own paid Hush money with no expectation of reimbursement,
because it could then be viewed as an undocumented campaign contribution.
A candidate is allowed to spend as much of his own money on his campaign as he wants to , and for whatever
legal purpose he wants to, and paying hush money is legal.
One could almost say that the special prosecutor is suborning perjury, by allowing Cohen to plead
guilty to something that they know is not a crime.
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Exactly!!!!
 
ludin said:
what crimes?

Dershowitz: Trump 'more correct than his critics are' with claims about Daniels, McDougal payments | Fox News
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Really? This is the best you got huh? Relying on the guy who got O.J. Simpson off to get Trump off too?
 
MrWonka said:
So now you're relying on the guy that got O.J. Simpson off huh?

Cohen committed a crime. He pled guilty to that crime, and Trump is the one who told him to commit it. It's really that simple.
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dude, not sure how to help you. He is one of the most respected lawyers in the country. I'll take his word over any of you in here any day. And it's called flipping. someone pleading guilty to a noncrime to flip someone else. It's done all the time. one merely needs to know the law. And trump can spend all the money on his own campaign he wants. Now, you can look it up and learn, take the lead from Dershowitz or stay uninformed.
 
Bucky said:
My point is this.

Since you do not like Trump you think he is guilty.

If you did like Trump you would call this a witch hunt.
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No, I would never like a candidate so erratic, idiotic, egotistical, and dishonest in the first place because I would recognize how likely he was to be corrupt and criminal before I voted for him.
 
MrWonka said:
Really? This is the best you got huh? Relying on the guy who got O.J. Simpson off to get Trump off too?
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I believe it was the jury that got OJ acquitted. And name something he did that wasn't legal.
 
MrWonka said:
No, I would never like a candidate so erratic, idiotic, egotistical, and dishonest in the first place because I would recognize how likely he was to be corrupt and criminal before I voted for him.
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I bet you voted for slick willie. Just saying.
 
MrWonka said:
No, I would never like a candidate so erratic, idiotic, egotistical, and dishonest in the first place because I would recognize how likely he was to be corrupt and criminal before I voted for him.
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This is exactly the view that the "Not Hillary" voters had when they voted for Trump.
 
Cardinal said:
And that campaign finance violation was a Federal Crime.
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It would only be a violation, if Cohen contributed his money without any expectation of being repaid.
Since he actually billed Trump for the money, he clearly expected to be repaid.
 
jc456 said:
dude, not sure how to help you. He is one of the most respected lawyers in the country.
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He's a Trump supporter, and just like one of Trump's lawyers he's trying to get him off the hook the same way he got O.J. off the hook.

jc456 said:
I'll take his word over any of you in here any day.
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You don't need to take mine. You can take Cohen's. He's also a lawyer who deals with this exact thing. He chose to plead guilty because he knew damn well what he did was a crime, and he wanted to make sure the boss who told him to do it went down with him.

jc456 said:
And it's called flipping. someone pleading guilty to a noncrime to flip someone else. It's done all the time.
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Right, but in this case, Cohen wouldn't have needed to flip remember? The guy he flipped on can pardon him. He could have kept his mouth shut and said it was all his own doing. If all he was trying to do was avoid jail time Trump would have been more than happy to pardon him after the fact. He chose to flip because he recognizes how corrupt and dangerous Trump is.
 
MrWonka said:
Really? This is the best you got huh? Relying on the guy who got O.J. Simpson off to get Trump off too?
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i posted two articles that you dishonestly not only left bout but didn't bother reading go figure on that one.
both say you are 100% wrong.

in fact one says that trump is more correct than you and he is.
that should trigger you more than what you are.

also you have failed to list any crime that trump has been charged with or that there is evidence for.

Comey admitted that there was no obstruction on the stand. so there goes your obstruction charge.
there has been nothing that shows that he has colluded with russia.

if anything the TRUmp campaign (not trump) failed to disclose a campaign donation which is nothing more than a fine to the campaign.
obama campaign had to pay 360k dollars for the same thing.

you should read actual facts instead of your tds rant ones.
it will help make you better informed.

He knows what he is talking about you do not that is the difference.
 
Holy Cow..I reported yesterday that American Media Chief Pecker was "cooperating" with the Government prosecutors on the McDougal catch and kill payoff. Now he has cut an immunity deal???? They don't just give those out. He's got something to trade and probably on Trump himself.
 
longview said:
It would only be a violation, if Cohen contributed his money without any expectation of being repaid.
Since he actually billed Trump for the money, he clearly expected to be repaid.
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also it would only be a violation by cohen not the campaign.
the campaign could be fined for not disclosing it but that is about it.

again the obama campaign had to pay about 360k dollars in fines for the same thing.
 
Mach said:
Their narrative shifts, which means there is awareness/calculation. The constant muddying the water is just a tactic. And it's not a legal defense.
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The narrative shifts? By who- Trump?? A week and half ago it was Trump jr who spelled the end-- before that it was a various collection of Pages, Stones and PapaD's.
 
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