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Someone in the media finally seems to understand

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https://nypost.com/2018/08/22/why-trumps-supporters-wont-care-about-cohen-and-manaforts-convictions/

Along comes Trump in 2016. She cannot abide anything he tweets, finds his speeches a stream of consciousness that is hard to unscramble and considers his morals in the gutter. She reluctantly voted for him and knows she will vote for him again, something she admits even surprises her.

Why does he hold her support?

He delivers results.

“It’s just that simple.”
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Democrats are not making any efforts to drive a wedge between Trump and his voters. Instead, they’re running on issues like “abolish ICE.”

The party’s entire goal is get more Democrats to vote. It’s not to win back Trump voters. So how could you expect Trump voters to move away from him? Where would they go?
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If you don't read anything else in the article those two sections should be enough. It isn't love of Trump that put him in office or that keeps him there. It was an opportunity for something different that got him in office and, generally speaking, economic results that have kept him there. He didn't cave and become part of the machine.

Heck, the machine keeps trying to spit him out and he keeps going back in for more. It's kind of similar to why we liked the first Rocky movie a few decades ago.
 
Lutherf said:
https://nypost.com/2018/08/22/why-trumps-supporters-wont-care-about-cohen-and-manaforts-convictions/



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If you don't read anything else in the article those two sections should be enough. It isn't love of Trump that put him in office or that keeps him there. It was an opportunity for something different that got him in office and, generally speaking, economic results that have kept him there. He didn't cave and become part of the machine.

Heck, the machine keeps trying to spit him out and he keeps going back in for more. It's kind of similar to why we liked the first Rocky movie a few decades ago.
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It is important to remember Trump is the first motivational speaker elected president. Trump in many ways provides psychological support for not only his base, but the economy and country.

If consumers BELIEVE the economy is doing well, they will likely spend more. Trump in many ways is good for the economies on that end.
 
Lutherf said:
https://nypost.com/2018/08/22/why-trumps-supporters-wont-care-about-cohen-and-manaforts-convictions/



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If you don't read anything else in the article those two sections should be enough. It isn't love of Trump that put him in office or that keeps him there. It was an opportunity for something different that got him in office and, generally speaking, economic results that have kept him there. He didn't cave and become part of the machine.

Heck, the machine keeps trying to spit him out and he keeps going back in for more. It's kind of similar to why we liked the first Rocky movie a few decades ago.
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What delusional twaddle.

There is no need to drive any such wedge, because the ones smart enough to see through Trump's bull**** have already left him, and those who aren't will never leave him.

A. Dems are running on a LOT more than 'abolish ICE' and hardly any dems are including that in what they're campaigning on. Laughably dishonest to try and claim otherwise.
B. He's part and parcel of the machine. To deny that is to deny reality.
 
That should instead read: "I was told he delivers results, it's just that simple."
You learn about selling your soul for "results" as a child with fables, but you never expect to see grown ass adults bragging about selling their souls.

He drained that swamp eh? Glub glub.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
What delusional twaddle.

There is no need to drive any such wedge, because the ones smart enough to see through Trump's bull**** have already left him, and those who aren't will never leave him.

A. Dems are running on a LOT more than 'abolish ICE' and hardly any dems are including that in what they're campaigning on. Laughably dishonest to try and claim otherwise.
B. He's part and parcel of the machine. To deny that is to deny reality.
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Maybe we're just looking at different machines. Maybe that's part of the divide. Some of us see people as needing to protect themselves from government. Some of us see government as needing to protect itself from the people.
 
The machine is largely unaffected by Trump - immigration policy remains a mess as does federal meddling in medical care insurance (except for dropping the PPACA individual mandate - the 'large' employer mandate remains intact as does the barring of most actuarial risk factors in setting 'private' premium rates). Except for some minor (and temporary?) federal income tax reform, shoveling even more money to the MIC and appointing 'his' federal judges Trump has been largely (totally?) unable to get congress critters to get aboard the Trump train.

The federal government continues to grow, fueled by deficit spending, in both per capita cost and in power over the states and the people. The POTUS continues to make law via EO and other tricks whereby executive agencies make "rules" that serve as law.

Trump promised to tax less and to spend more (grow the federal government) which is why I refused to vote for him. Neither the republicants nor the demorats in congress will change federal immigration law (policy?) or adequately fund its enforcement - they only differ (mainly by party label) in their stated motives for actually doing nothing.
 
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Lutherf said:
Maybe we're just looking at different machines. Maybe that's part of the divide. Some of us see people as needing to protect themselves from government. Some of us see government as needing to protect itself from the people.
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Eh, I don't know, and don't necessarily see how that applies the article in your OP.

The gov't is a useful necessity that can also (and does also) act as an impediment to any progress or improvement in the public weal when it's as massively corrupt as it now is. It's not by nature a bad thing.

But that isn't really relevant to the obviously incorrect things his supporters stated in the article.
 
Ah yes the newest Con media lie and generalization. 'All Dems want to abolish ICE'..

Midterms this year so this lie will be added to 'All Dems hate God' and 'All Dems want to take your guns away'.

Sad thing is the lies and propaganda put out there by the Con media work on their audience.
 
All liberals had to do was act normal for a few years. Now that the powder is loaded and primed they won't be able to pull the trigger because they're hopelessly dysfunctional and retarded.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Eh, I don't know, and don't necessarily see how that applies the article in your OP.

The gov't is a useful necessity that can also (and does also) act as an impediment to any progress or improvement in the public weal when it's as massively corrupt as it now is. It's not by nature a bad thing.

But that isn't really relevant to the obviously incorrect things his supporters stated in the article.
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Government is, by nature and by necessity, a control on the people. Whether or not it's an impediment to "progress" depends on one's definition of that term.
 
Approaching zimmer and Lowdown bunk.
 
Lutherf said:
https://nypost.com/2018/08/22/why-trumps-supporters-wont-care-about-cohen-and-manaforts-convictions/



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If you don't read anything else in the article those two sections should be enough. It isn't love of Trump that put him in office or that keeps him there. It was an opportunity for something different that got him in office and, generally speaking, economic results that have kept him there. He didn't cave and become part of the machine.

Heck, the machine keeps trying to spit him out and he keeps going back in for more. It's kind of similar to why we liked the first Rocky movie a few decades ago.
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psst. I think she's a conservative.
 
Lutherf said:
https://nypost.com/2018/08/22/why-trumps-supporters-wont-care-about-cohen-and-manaforts-convictions/



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If you don't read anything else in the article those two sections should be enough. It isn't love of Trump that put him in office or that keeps him there. It was an opportunity for something different that got him in office and, generally speaking, economic results that have kept him there. He didn't cave and become part of the machine.

Heck, the machine keeps trying to spit him out and he keeps going back in for more. It's kind of similar to why we liked the first Rocky movie a few decades ago.
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Only idiots think he is delivering anything resembling what he claims to deliver.
 
Lutherf said:
https://nypost.com/2018/08/22/why-trumps-supporters-wont-care-about-cohen-and-manaforts-convictions/

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If you don't read anything else in the article those two sections should be enough. It isn't love of Trump that put him in office or that keeps him there. It was an opportunity for something different that got him in office
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Something different? You mean a glorified carnival barker and sexual predator? That's OK? I'll say that's something different!

Oh. Wait. Lutherf surely considers Bill Clinton to have been a sexual predator, but because he's a Democrat, and only because he's a Democrat, that's not OK.


Lutherf said:
and, generally speaking, economic results that have kept him there.
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The great Obama economic expansion began 101 months before Trump took office, and it is highly doubtful that Trump deserves any credit for riding the crest of the great Obama wave.


Lutherf said:
He didn't cave and become part of the machine.
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Correct- he created a new machine, the most sinister and dangerous machine in US history.


Lutherf said:
eck, the machine keeps trying to spit him out and he keeps going back in for more. It's kind of similar to why we liked the first Rocky movie a few decades ago.
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Vomit.
 
Mach said:
That should instead read: "I was told he delivers results, it's just that simple."
You learn about selling your soul for "results" as a child with fables, but you never expect to see grown ass adults bragging about selling their souls.

He drained that swamp eh? Glub glub.
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It is certainly your prerogative to believe your soul is in better shape than Trump voters, but at the end of the day their vote is equal to yours.
Just thought I'd bring you back down to reality. :mrgreen:
 
It never ceases to amaze me how some people can convince themselves that they are so much better than the rest that those with whom they disagree are due nothing but scorn and should be thankful that they are getting that much.
 
TobyOne said:
All liberals had to do was act normal for a few years. Now that the powder is loaded and primed they won't be able to pull the trigger because they're hopelessly dysfunctional and retarded.
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Yep.
Instead, they double down on the same stupidity that got DJT elected in the first place.
Now that he is here, he's not going anywhere because when it is all said and done, "It's the economy, stupid."
 
trixare4kids said:
It is certainly your prerogative to believe your soul is in better shape than Trump voters, but at the end of the day their vote is equal to yours.
Just thought I'd bring you back down to reality. :mrgreen:
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Nothing in your posts or post history leads me to believe you base anything on reality, or the ability to differentiate right from wrong.
Also, souls is a metaphor, I'm an atheist.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The machine is largely unaffected by Trump - immigration policy remains a mess as does federal meddling in medical care insurance (except for dropping the PPACA individual mandate - the 'large' employer mandate remains intact as does the barring of most actuarial risk factors in setting 'private' premium rates). Except for some minor (and temporary?) federal income tax reform, shoveling even more money to the MIC and appointing 'his' federal judges Trump has been largely (totally?) unable to get congress critters to get aboard the Trump train.

The federal government continues to grow, fueled by deficit spending, in both per capita cost and in power over the states and the people. The POTUS continues to make law via EO and other tricks whereby executive agencies make "rules" that serve as law.

Trump promised to tax less and to spend more (grow the federal government) which is why I refused to vote for him. Neither the republicants nor the demorats in congress will change federal immigration law (policy?) or adequately fund its enforcement - they only differ (mainly by party label) in their stated motives for actually doing nothing.
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Either Trump is part of the machine or he has formed a relatively symbiotic relationship with the machine. That relationship simply involves Trump and the machine enabling/allowing each other to greatly enrich themselves and entrench themselves in power.

"Drain the Swamp" <- What a:lamo
 
Lutherf said:
It never ceases to amaze me how some people can convince themselves that they are so much better than the rest that those with whom they disagree are due nothing but scorn and should be thankful that they are getting that much.
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Which is it?
You're correct in supporting Trump for "results" over everything else, as you claim in your OP?
Or that you're wrong in supporting Trump, but want a participation trophy from kind, gentle people who don't cheer on separation of children from parents on the border?
 
Mach said:
Nothing in your posts or post history leads me to believe you base anything on reality, or the ability to differentiate right from wrong.
Also, souls is a metaphor, I'm an atheist.
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All you offer is name-calling, but you do keep making my point as to why people voted against the SJW fakes who like to tell e v e r y o n e how they must live....
 
Lutherf said:
If you don't read anything else in the article those two sections should be enough. It isn't love of Trump that put him in office or that keeps him there. It was an opportunity for something different that got him in office and, generally speaking, economic results that have kept him there. He didn't cave and become part of the machine.

Heck, the machine keeps trying to spit him out and he keeps going back in for more. It's kind of similar to why we liked the first Rocky movie a few decades ago.
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There is no plan to abolish ICE and Trump didn't produce any economic results. Unemployment has been dropping at the same rate for years. GDP is unchanged, labor participation is unchanged, more jobs were produced in Obama's last year thatn Trump's first. It's all smoke and mirrors. I guess you're easily fooled.

The Stock market got a boost but that's because he gave away government money and put in on our government credit card. He certainly increased the deficit.
 
Lutherf said:
It never ceases to amaze me how some people can convince themselves that they are so much better than the rest that those with whom they disagree are due nothing but scorn and should be thankful that they are getting that much.
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I couldn't agree more...
Like I said, for the last two years they've doubled down on the smug piety and haven't learned a thing...
 
trixare4kids said:
All you offer is name-calling, but you do keep making my point as to why people voted against the SJW fakes who like to tell e v e r y o n e how they must live....
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The entirety of civilization is based on the rule of law, which specially are laws that tell people how to live.
That you don't appear to understand that, is not a surprise.
 
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