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Nation of Laws?

Luckyone

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We are supposed to be a nation of Laws. Our forefathers put together a system that is based on the rule of law and for all of these years we have adhered to that as our way of life. You break the law, you go to jail.

President Trump is supposed to represent the United States as the #1 supporter of the rule of law and yet yesterday Trump said:

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

I feel very badly for Paul Manafort and his wonderful family. “Justice” took a 12 year old tax case, among other things, applied tremendous pressure on him and, unlike Michael Cohen, he refused to “break” - make up stories in order to get a “deal.” Such respect for a brave man!

6:21 AM - 22 Aug 2018

What Trump is saying is that a person such as Cohen that admits his wrongdoing and fesses up to the truth is doing a bad thing and Manafort, who defrauded the country but keeps his mouth shut should be lauded.

Is this a man that is supposed to represent the "rule of law"? This sounds like it comes straight out of a Mafia Bosses Mouth. Are we now getting that low in our nation that we are being run like a Mafia Syndicate and the rule of law is now thrown away?

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This may be a nation of myriad petty and stupid laws, but it is not a nation of the rule of law. Indeed, our elected representatives have passed several laws that contradict the Supreme Law, the US Constitution.

The rule of law in this country does not apply.
 
Trump is the head of a crime family and talks like a criminal who only wants to protect his own sorry skin. His latest comments about make flipping on higher up illegal is a perfect example of that.

How long will the American people stand for this?
 
haymarket said:
Trump is the head of a crime family and talks like a criminal who only wants to protect his own sorry skin. His latest comments about make flipping on higher up illegal is a perfect example of that.

How long will the American people stand for this?
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Getting persons already facing prosecution for laws they broke to make up crap about another party in lieu of a plea arrangement is BS.

Mater not, no laws were broken.

As far as this "crime family" nonsense, don't you think that would have come as a point of contention from the other 16 candidates on the GOP side or the other? You people are so desperate.
 
WCH said:
Getting persons already facing prosecution for laws they broke to make up crap about another party in lieu of a plea arrangement is BS.

Mater not, no laws were broken.

As far as this "crime family" nonsense, don't you think that would have come as a point of contention from the other 16 candidates on the GOP side or the other? You people are so desperate.
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Wait a minute, Trump did say this morning that Manafort was a good guy because he kept his mouth shut and that Cohen was a bad guy because he blabbed. That is something only the Mafia say. Don't blab on your friends.

I could possibly understand a family member defending another family member because they are family but this is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES and he took an oath to defend the laws of the U.S. and this is not defending the laws when you support keeping your mouth shut. He is supposed to represent the Constitution and the Constitution is based on laws. As such, he should have abased both Manafort and Cohen for breaking the law but defended Cohen more than Manafort for confessing his sins.

This is not about "no laws were broken" because in this case, laws were broken by both men. One has been convicted and the other has plead guilty.
 
Luckyone said:
Wait a minute, Trump did say this morning that Manafort was a good guy because he kept his mouth shut and that Cohen was a bad guy because he blabbed. That is something only the Mafia say. Don't blab on your friends.

I could possibly understand a family member defending another family member because they are family but this is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES and he took an oath to defend the laws of the U.S. and this is not defending the laws when you support keeping your mouth shut. He is supposed to represent the Constitution and the Constitution is based on laws. As such, he should have abased both Manafort and Cohen for breaking the law but defended Cohen more than Manafort for confessing his sins.

This is not about "no laws were broken" because in this case, laws were broken by both men. One has been convicted and the other has plead guilty.
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Bros before Hoes. There were no campaign finance laws broken.
 
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Bros before Hoes. There were no campaign finance laws broken.
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I don't think we are talking about the same thing. This is not about Trump breaking laws, it is about Trump supporting breaking laws. He lauded Manafort for keeping quiet and he abased Cohen for blabbing and pleading guilty.

Trump is not supposed to support breaking the law by ANYONE because he is the #1 representative of the Law.

He is acting like a Mafia Boss that gives a premium to those that break the law but keep quiet and looking down on those that break the law and blab.

Read it a couple of times so we can get on the same page on this thread.

and by the way, your comment about "bros before hoes" is EXACTLY what a Mafia Boss would say. Is it right for the President of the U.S. to say it..........against his oath to protect the laws of the U.S. ?
 
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Bros before Hoes. There were no campaign finance laws broken.
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For your enlightenment:

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

The President is both the head of state and head of government of the United States of America, and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. Under Article II of the Constitution, the President is responsible for the execution and enforcement of the laws created by Congress.
 
WCH said:
Getting persons already facing prosecution for laws they broke to make up crap about another party in lieu of a plea arrangement is BS.

Mater not, no laws were broken.

As far as this "crime family" nonsense, don't you think that would have come as a point of contention from the other 16 candidates on the GOP side or the other? You people are so desperate.
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Republicans have shown they have no stomach for attacking Trump on the hard issues.
 
Luckyone said:
I don't think we are talking about the same thing. This is not about Trump breaking laws, it is about Trump supporting breaking laws. He lauded Manafort for keeping quiet and he abased Cohen for blabbing and pleading guilty.

Trump is not supposed to support breaking the law by ANYONE because he is the #1 representative of the Law.

He is acting like a Mafia Boss that gives a premium to those that break the law but keep quiet and looking down on those that break the law and blab.

Read it a couple of times so we can get on the same page on this thread.

and by the way, your comment about "bros before hoes" is EXACTLY what a Mafia Boss would say. Is it right for the President of the U.S. to say it..........against his oath to protect the laws of the U.S. ?
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Trump didn't "support" any law breaker. He just said he admired Manafort for not falling for the State's tactics.

Read that a few times before you say Trump is a Mafioso again. That's just the latest rhetorical meme of the week you're parroting.
 
Luckyone said:
For your enlightenment:

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

The President is both the head of state and head of government of the United States of America, and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. Under Article II of the Constitution, the President is responsible for the execution and enforcement of the laws created by Congress.
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Where has he not done that?
 
haymarket said:
Republicans have shown they have no stomach for attacking Trump on the hard issues.
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Since the Trump agenda [which he is implementing] is closely aligned with the GOP's, why should they? Why should I?

BTW, these "hard issues" are mostly fictitious. Made up by sore losers. Just thought I would let you know where I stand.
 
Thoreau72 said:
This may be a nation of myriad petty and stupid laws, but it is not a nation of the rule of law. Indeed, our elected representatives have passed several laws that contradict the Supreme Law, the US Constitution.

The rule of law in this country does not apply.
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I had a history professor, who whenever someone made such a generalization as you just did about several laws and the Constitution, would simply say, "name three." And you do understand that you can challenge those laws' constitutionality in court?
 
the trojan horse is in.
 
WCH said:
Trump didn't "support" any law breaker. He just said he admired Manafort for not falling for the State's tactics.

Read that a few times before you say Trump is a Mafioso again. That's just the latest rhetorical meme of the week you're parroting.
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Again, Trump is supposed to be the #1 representative of the law and lauding someone who is guilty for staying quiet while dissing someone that is also guilty but decided to cooperate with the law is wrong. He is supporting law breaking!
 
Luckyone said:
Again, Trump is supposed to be the #1 representative of the law and lauding someone who is guilty for staying quiet while dissing someone that is also guilty but decided to cooperate with the law is wrong. He is supporting law breaking!
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He lauded the man not his actions. Cohen is a pathetic loser.
 
WCH said:
Where has he not done that?
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when he says that a person who broke the law is a good person and should not have been taken to court!

By the way, did you know that today he said in an interview that a person that is facing jail but giving information about someone higher up that also broke the law, that giving information should be outlawed?

If this is not supporting breaking the law, I don't know what is.
 
WCH said:
He lauded the man not his actions. Cohen is a pathetic loser.
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He's a loser for telling the truth and cooperating with law enforcement?

Trump said he would be the "Law and Order" president. He's breaking the law and lying about it. I guess there are one set of laws for him and one set of laws for everyone else.

When you defend someone like Trump you only prove that you have no moral integrity. Trump is surrounded by people going to prison and he's been repeatedly caught lying.
 
WCH said:
Since the Trump agenda [which he is implementing] is closely aligned with the GOP's, why should they? Why should I?

BTW, these "hard issues" are mostly fictitious. Made up by sore losers. Just thought I would let you know where I stand.
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Patriotism.
 
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He lauded the man not his actions. Cohen is a pathetic loser.
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and Manafort isn't? Manafort worked for our enemies against us. He embezzled millions of dollars, did not report it as income and lied to banks about loans he needed.

This is a person who is laudable?

I guess it is, by someone with the same lack of respect for law, which should never be the President of the United States. Heil Trump.
 
WCH said:
BTW, these "hard issues" are mostly fictitious. Made up by sore losers. Just thought I would let you know where I stand.
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You're attacking the accusers instead of the issue. It's the old Ad Hominem.

Nixon said the same thing. Every politician who is accused of wrongdoing says that the accusations are politically motivated.

Of course, the accusations are politically motivated. The opposing party will always be motivated to point out crimes by your party. Their motive is irrelevant. The facts are all that matter.

Trump lied and asked others to lie. He had others commit crimes on his behalf.
 
WCH said:
Getting persons already facing prosecution for laws they broke to make up crap about another party in lieu of a plea arrangement is BS.
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Whew! Good thing that hasn't happened, in that case!
Mater not, no laws were broken.
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That's not what reality and confessions dictate.
As far as this "crime family" nonsense, don't you think that would have come as a point of contention from the other 16 candidates on the GOP side or the other? You people are so desperate.
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Trump's mob ties are deep and well documented. Pity that some people are simply too lazy to bother to care.
 
WCH said:
He lauded the man not his actions. Cohen is a pathetic loser.
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Oh, does that mean that a man's actions are not suggestive of who the man is?

Example: "that child molester is a real nice guy because he is my friend and I respect him".

Do you even know what you are saying? I am starting to have serious doubts about your morality and principles. "he lauded the man, not his actions!

Unbelievable.

Are you aware that 300 priests molested over 1000 children in Pennsylvania? I am sure many of those priests were nice people, lets support them! Is that what you are saying?

Let's give them an "out of jail card" because they are nice. Their pedophile actions do not matter.
 
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Nickyjo said:
I had a history professor, who whenever someone made such a generalization as you just did about several laws and the Constitution, would simply say, "name three." And you do understand that you can challenge those laws' constitutionality in court?
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Have you ever explored the costs involved in challenging the constitutionality of any particular law?

And to clarify my previous statement, I do understand that our courts are overflowing, as prisons are too, with charges and cases against ordinary citizens.

My point is that for the privileged class such as politicians, the rule of law does not apply.

Three examples are George Bush's admission that he had not complied with FISA procedures in having the telecoms intercept private communications, James Clapper's perjury in front of Congress regarding NSA procedures, and James Brennan's perjury to Congress regarding essentially the same.

3 violations of federal laws, and not one single indictment or prosecution, demonstrating the rule of law does not exist in this country. Unless, of course, one is an ordinary citizen in possession of some forbidden substance.
 
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Luckyone said:
We are supposed to be a nation of Laws. Our forefathers put together a system that is based on the rule of law and for all of these years we have adhered to that as our way of life. You break the law, you go to jail.

President Trump is supposed to represent the United States as the #1 supporter of the rule of law and yet yesterday Trump said:

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

I feel very badly for Paul Manafort and his wonderful family. “Justice” took a 12 year old tax case, among other things, applied tremendous pressure on him and, unlike Michael Cohen, he refused to “break” - make up stories in order to get a “deal.” Such respect for a brave man!

6:21 AM - 22 Aug 2018

What Trump is saying is that a person such as Cohen that admits his wrongdoing and fesses up to the truth is doing a bad thing and Manafort, who defrauded the country but keeps his mouth shut should be lauded.

Is this a man that is supposed to represent the "rule of law"? This sounds like it comes straight out of a Mafia Bosses Mouth. Are we now getting that low in our nation that we are being run like a Mafia Syndicate and the rule of law is now thrown away?

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The question that will now be asked is whether the law will prevail or not.

It is likely that with Cohen, Pecker, and Weisenburg flipping on Trump that Mueller has some clear dirt on Trump. Nonetheless, will be be able to make it stick? Trump cannot be indicted (would have already been indicted if it could be done), meaning that impeachment is likely the only solution available to Mueller and for impeachment, the law is not important. What is important is whether enough members of the Senate vote to impeach or not and that is not a likelihood. Meaning that the rule of law is not likely to be supported at this time.

I do believe this rule needs to be changed, but that will not happen at this time. As such, the rule of law remains AWOL at this time.
 
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