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Cohen Lawyer, Lanny Davis, Interview

Chomsky said:
So his lawyer claims Cohen would not accept a pardon?

I'm really confused by this plea. Cohen still gets 3-1/2 to 6-1/2 years, yet all the possible charges do not seem to be addressed. He fingers Trump, yet his agreement has no "cooperation" requirement.

No idea what's going on, here.
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Red:
If one's given, does a presidential pardon lack the force of law if one didn't want it and thus inveighed against being given one?


AFAIK, a pardon is like any other fiat in that:
  • its object(s) has no control over whether it's given or withheld, and
  • once declared, its effects and reach is immutable.
 
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Threegoofs said:
It’s because sentencing hasn’t happened yet, so if he doesn’t cooperate, he’ll get slapped. My understanding is that the cooperation does not need to be spelled out, because its clearly understood that his sentence will depend not just on his cooperation, but the level of his cooperation.
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BTW, did you see this? Praising Manafort for "not breaking"?

If he's not telegraphing a pardon here, I'll eat my hat!

(Politico) Trump praises Manafort for ‘refusing to break,’ unlike Cohen
 
Xelor said:
Red:
If one's given, does a presidential pardon lack the force of law if one didn't want it and thus inveighed against being given one?


AFAIK, a pardon is like any other fiat in that:
  • is object(s) has no control over whether it's given or withheld, and
  • once declared, its effects and reach is immutable.
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I believe the pardoned-to-be has to accept and sign the pardon documents. In the documents, is the acceptance of guilt.
 
Threegoofs said:
Nope. The idiot just admitted it in a Fox and Friends interview. He seems confused on what campaign money actually is though....maybe he’s going for the dementia defense down the road.

Jesus. Who can defend this clown anymore.

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Red:
Of all the things Trump doesn't know, the concept of distinct legal entities and where one starts and the next one stops isn't likely to be among them. Were he naive to that concept and its legal implications, he would not own so many LLPs and LLCs.
 
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Chomsky said:
I won't belabor the point then, besides saying your link was to Clemency.

My understanding could be wrong. It's nothing I ever researched. I might now though, when I get a chance.
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This has been settled since the time of Andrew Jackson.

One cannot be pardoned ‘against their will’.

United States v. Wilson - Wikipedia
 
Fletch said:
Until you come up with some evidence that he is guilty of something, I will assume he is innocent. Cohen made a charge, lets see if he has the evidence to back it up.
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Great Policy and a very common sense thing,,,you would think...but remember all the tweets...Crooked Hilary....or Lock her up, lock her up chants...Funny how all of the sudden some have done 180 and now more reserved in passing guilty judgement and are part of the camp "assumed innocent until proven guilty"!

One would assume those people are immoral spineless with no constitution who turn a blind eye because the president is of their party, but not me, I say let the system run its course.

And yet hard to ignore all these shouts and bitching about witch haunt...as if the guilty man crying he is the victim! Because if you haven't done anything wrong why is he afraid?

Oh well! As they say...Karma is a Bitch!


Diving Mullah
 
Diving Mullah said:
Great Policy and a very common sense thing,,,you would think...but remember all the tweets...Crooked Hilary....or Lock her up, lock her up chants...Funny how all of the sudden some have done 180 and now more reserved in passing guilty judgement and are part of the camp "assumed innocent until proven guilty"!

One would assume those people are immoral spineless with no constitution who turn a blind eye because the president is of their party, but not me, I say let the system run its course.

And yet hard to ignore all these shouts and bitching about witch haunt...as if the guilty man crying he is the victim! Because if you haven't done anything wrong why is he afraid?

Oh well! As they say...Karma is a Bitch!


Diving Mullah
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I dont know what any of that has to do with my post, but rant on!
 
Chomsky said:
I won't belabor the point then, besides saying your link was to Clemency.

My understanding could be wrong. It's nothing I ever researched. I might now though, when I get a chance.
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If/when you do, please share your findings.

I'm not going to research it because, at the end of day, the question itself strikes me as being akin to "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" It wouldn't surprise me to learn it so strikes you too.
 
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