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Manafort Guilty on 5 Counts of Tax Fraud

Rogue Valley said:
The conviction certainly takes the wind out of Trumps "witch hunt" argument.

Anyone who still believes that tired meme is pretty much a hopeless dolt.
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It doesn't. although I don't think it's a witch hunt. However, the term witch hunt means looking for something that can be categorized as evil when you don't even know what you're looking for, your just looking and hoping to find something. That's pretty much what happened here, but that's what happens in major federal investigations - again, not a witch hunt IMHO.

The Mueller Russia probe is about Russia and the Trump Campaign and was not about Manifort's bank fraud or anything else he was charged with and convicted. Just for clarity sake.
 
So the DC trial brings charges that are much closer in time and consequence to Trump and the campaign. But that is not the reason why the Manafort legal team looked so downcast at the end of today. They literally threw everything and the kitchen sink into this trial. They got a judge that really did cut them several breaks in his comments about Gates on the stand and possibly even worse, allowing the defense to signal the jury "psst...you know that witch hunt that Trump keeps talking about...well this trial is part of that". The judge allowed this bit of larceny after warning both the prosecution and the defense that there was to be no mention of Trump in this trial. The judge made it difficult for the jury to place evidence with charges and counts of the indictment. Finally we had Trump himself trying to message into an open jury during deliberation. With all that, other than three of what I think were four FBAR counts, the prosecution got just about what they should have gotten in guilty verdicts.

Now they head for the DC trial where they are not going to get anything like the kind of breaks they got in the Virginia Courthouse.....not by a long shot. No wonder they look tired and downcast.
 
Beaudreaux said:
It doesn't. although I don't think it's a witch hunt. However, the term witch hunt means looking for something that can be categorized as evil when you don't even know what you're looking for, your just looking and hoping to find something. That's pretty much what happened here, but that's what happens in major federal investigations - again, not a witch hunt IMHO.

The Mueller Russia probe is about Russia and the Trump Campaign and was not about Manifort's bank fraud or anything else he was charged with and convicted. Just for clarity sake.
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So if the police search your house looking for an illegal cannabis farm and happen find a dead body in your closet, they should just ignore it??
 
haymarket said:
I wonder what the jury split was on those other ten?

But eight felony convictions are very very significant.

And keep in mind Manafort has a whole new trial on other charges right around the corner.

Not a real good day for the Trump White House.
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What has any of this got to do with the Trump White House?
 
jnug said:
So the DC trial brings charges that are much closer in time and consequence to Trump and the campaign. But that is not the reason why the Manafort legal team looked so downcast at the end of today. They literally threw everything and the kitchen sink into this trial. They got a judge that really did cut them several breaks in his comments about Gates on the stand and possibly even worse, allowing the defense to signal the jury "psst...you know that witch hunt that Trump keeps talking about...well this trial is part of that". The judge allowed this bit of larceny after warning both the prosecution and the defense that there was to be no mention of Trump in this trial. The judge made it difficult for the jury to place evidence with charges and counts of the indictment. Finally we had Trump himself trying to message into an open jury during deliberation. With all that, other than three of what I think were four FBAR counts, the prosecution got just about what they should have gotten in guilty verdicts.

Now they head for the DC trial where they are not going to get anything like the kind of breaks they got in the Virginia Courthouse.....not by a long shot. No wonder they look tired and downcast.
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You've got a pretty active imagination. None of your comments about what the attorneys are thinking are valid. You're not a mind reader.
 
Rogue Valley said:
The conviction certainly takes the wind out of Trumps "witch hunt" argument.

Anyone who still believes that tired meme is pretty much a hopeless dolt.
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No, it bolsters the witch hunt argument quite a bit. These convictions had nothing to do with what the Special Council was supposed to investigate. It looks like Mueller is grasping at anything he can to keep looking relevant.
 
LowDown said:
You've got a pretty active imagination. None of your comments about what the attorneys are thinking are valid. You're not a mind reader.
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Now there is a heck of a post. Watch what happens in the next trial.
 
LowDown said:
No, it bolsters the witch hunt argument quite a bit. These convictions had nothing to do with what the Special Council was supposed to investigate. It looks like Mueller is grasping at anything he can to keep looking relevant.
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Ah-huh
 
MovingPictures said:
If he does it will be after the next trail, so he doesn't have to re-pardon him later.

The longer he waits the more likely Manafort will flip and any pardon will bet met with a public backlash, which will result in devastating losses for the Republicans in November, so it's one giant catch 22 for him at the moment.

But if he's got serious skeletons to hide he'll have no choice.
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What is Manafort going to flip to? Perhaps there's nothing for him to give Mueller. What do you imagine that he has?

Seems to me this is the ne plus ultra in wishful thinking on the part of Trump haters, the idea that Mueller has something on Trump that he's going to give up when put under enough pressure.

I think that Trump paying off a whore is the best you guys are going to be able to do.
 
LowDown said:
What is Manafort going to flip to? Perhaps there's nothing for him to give Mueller. What do you imagine that he has?

Seems to me this is the ne plus ultra in wishful thinking on the part of Trump haters, the idea that Mueller has something on Trump that he's going to give up when put under enough pressure.

I think that Trump paying off a whore is the best you guys are going to be able to do.
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If you look at the questions that Mueller wanted to ask Trump, there was a strong suggestion there that Manafort reached out to the Russian government during the election in a way that has not yet been revealed publicly.

"What knowledge did you have of any outreach by your campaign, including by Paul Manafort, to Russia about potential assistance to the campaign?"

More importantly it is Manafort that would be one to know what Stone was up to in his outreach to the Russians, and whether there was a conspiracy, so the game might be to get Manafort to flip on Stone first.

But if Cohen, Flynn, Gates, and Manafort all say that Trump was aware of a conspiracy to work with the Russians, the latter will undoubtedly by impeached in the House sooner or later.
 
LowDown said:
No, it bolsters the witch hunt argument quite a bit. These convictions had nothing to do with what the Special Council was supposed to investigate. It looks like Mueller is grasping at anything he can to keep looking relevant.
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:lamo

I guess I should go commit fraud and cheat on my taxes, since everyone on the right will see me as a martyr if just say I'm a conservative when the feds come for me.
 
Aristaeus said:
So if the police search your house looking for an illegal cannabis farm and happen find a dead body in your closet, they should just ignore it??
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If I had room, I’d add that to my sig. ***facepalm implied***

/sarcasm

Wow, did you ever spin what I said, to mean something completely wrong. Amazing.
 
MovingPictures said:
:lamo

I guess I should go commit fraud and cheat on my taxes, since everyone on the right will see me as a martyr if just say I'm a conservative when the feds come for me.
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Just say you love the 10th Amd. and don't believe the federal income tax is constitutional (didn't that end up working for W.Snipes, or some other celebrity - they actually got acquitted?). A bunch of people will take over a wildlife refuge and poop in it to show them liberals, or something.
 
LowDown said:
No, it bolsters the witch hunt argument quite a bit. These convictions had nothing to do with what the Special Council was supposed to investigate. It looks like Mueller is grasping at anything he can to keep looking relevant.
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This is nonsense.

You need to read the Mueller appointment letter from Rosenstein so that you can stop repeating this lie.

Mueller's task was to investigate links and coordination between Trump's campaign and the Russians....AND any/all crimes discovered in said process.....AND any/all attempts to obstruct or interfere with the investigation in any way.

Period.

So these convictions have EVERYTHING to do with what Mueller's orders. Now please, you and other Trump acolytes need to stop repeating the idiotic argument, above. It makes you look like.....well......like brainwashed idiots.
 
As we know, its actually 8 guilty verdicts in this case. Now that it is known how the jury was hung on the other 10 charges I actually think that the prosecution will retry the remaining 10 charges though that is not the opinion of the various media legal talking heads.
 
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