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Protesters Tear Down Confederate Statue

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Demonstrators gathered at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill campus Monday night achieved a decades-long goal for those opposed to public displays of Confederate statues: They toppled "Silent Sam," a monument dedicated to fallen Civil War-era soldiers.



In the last year, the university spent $390,000 on security for the statue, according to The News & Observer.

The statue was erected in 1913 after being commissioned by the Daughters of the Confederacy to honor the young men who quit their studies to march off to fight in the Civil War.

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/21/6404...testers-tear-down-confederate-statue-on-unc-c

I guess, I am far less surprised that it was toppled than I am that the thing sat on a modern college campus to begin with. After all, the Confederacy was about as anti-American as you can get.

From an 1856 issue of Alabama’s Muscogee Herald:

Free Society! we sicken at the name. What is it but a conglomeration of greasy mechanics, filthy operatives, small-fisted farmers, and moon-struck theorists? All the Northern men and especially the New England States are devoid of society fitted for well-bred gentlemen. The prevailing class one meet with is that of mechanics struggling to be genteel, and small farmers who do their own drudgery, and yet are hardly fit for association with a Southern gentleman's body servant. This is your free society which Northern hordes are trying to extend into Kansas.

The last sentence refers to the conflict over slavery between free-soilers and slaveholders. The conflict was not merely about the right to hold another human in bondage, but how that right created the foundation for white equality.


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/what-this-cruel-war-was-over/396482/
 
I guess, I am far less surprised that it was toppled than I am that the thing sat on a modern college campus to begin with. After all, the Confederacy was about as anti-American as you can get.

When you know, let us know.
 
Looking at the statement below through the lens of today, it's pretty clear that this Confederate stuff is archaic and needs to go.

On the eve of secession, Georgia Governor Joseph E. Brown concurred:


Among us the poor white laborer is respected as an equal. His family is treated with kindness, consideration and respect. He does not belong to the menial class. The negro is in no sense of the term his equal. He feels and knows this. He belongs to the only true aristocracy, the race of white men. He black no masters boots, and bows the knee to no one save God alone. He receives higher wages for his labor than does the laborer of any other portion of the world, and he raises up his children with the knowledge, that they belong to no inferior cast, but that the highest members of the society in which he lives, will, if their conduct is good, respect and treat them as equals.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/what-this-cruel-war-was-over/396482/

White Supremacy has no place in this country, yet alone on a state-run college campus.
 
No actual confederates were harmed in the making of this story.
 
I wonder if anyone will actually be charged with a crime this time, or will they get a free pass like leftist criminality is getting these days.
 
I wonder if anyone will actually be charged with a crime this time, or will they get a free pass like leftist criminality is getting these days.
Some crimes are less equal than others.

...when the Civil War began, the Union did not face a peaceful Southern society wanting to be left alone. It faced an an aggressive power...

‘The people of the South,’ says a contemporary, ‘are not fighting for slavery but for independence.’ Let us look into this matter. It is an easy task, we think, to show up this new-fangled heresy — a heresy calculated to do us no good, for it cannot deceive foreign statesmen nor peoples, nor mislead any one here nor in Yankeeland. . . Our doctrine is this: WE ARE FIGHTING FOR INDEPENDENCE THAT OUR GREAT AND NECESSARY DOMESTIC INSTITUTION OF SLAVERY SHALL BE PRESERVED, and for the preservation of other institutions of which slavery is the groundwork.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/what-this-cruel-war-was-over/396482/

He is pretty clear about what that war was fought for--the preservation of slavery.
 
Some crimes are less equal than others.

Well...that person you quoted is dead, so worry about his crimes is a fool's errand. What we have now are criminal actions that need to be prosecuted but, as is usual these days for the criminal left, they will get a pass.
 
I wonder if anyone will actually be charged with a crime this time, or will they get a free pass like leftist criminality is getting these days.

Who was harmed? Most of the people that erected the statue are dead today. The statue is on school property, but the school is not the conservator of the statue.

It is an orphaned monument whose progenitors are long gone.
 
Well...that person you quoted is dead, so worry about his crimes is a fool's errand. What we have now are criminal actions that need to be prosecuted but, as is usual these days for the criminal left, they will get a pass.

What we have is citizen actions tearing down a symbol of White Supremacy. Of course, there are those who will defend White Supremacy to the death. But, we all saw how that ended the last time.
 
Well...that person you quoted is dead, so worry about his crimes is a fool's errand. What we have now are criminal actions that need to be prosecuted but, as is usual these days for the criminal left, they will get a pass.

Good to know the record breaking prison population we have is full of the criminal right, since the criminal left always get passes.
 
Who was harmed? Most of the people that erected the statue are dead today. The statue is on school property, but the school is not the conservator of the statue.

It is an orphaned monument whose progenitors are long gone.

No one has to be harmed for there to be a crime. It was still vandalism.
 
Good to know the record breaking prison population we have is full of the criminal right, since the criminal left always get passes.

Shallow thinking on your part...let me know when you get to the deep end of the pool.
 
What we have is citizen actions tearing down a symbol of White Supremacy. Of course, there are those who will defend White Supremacy to the death. But, we all saw how that ended the last time.

Yes, your first sentence is correct. That doesn't mean it's not vandalism.
 
No one has to be harmed for there to be a crime. It was still vandalism.

Ah, but the students feel good...virtuous. And isn't that what really matters? ;)

Maybe they should learn what Winston Smith's job was in the Ministry of Truth... or consider what Santayana said about remembering the past.
 
Who was harmed? Most of the people that erected the statue are dead today. The statue is on school property, but the school is not the conservator of the statue.

It is an orphaned monument whose progenitors are long gone.
I heard a radio report about how hard it is to find new homes for these monuments. I'm sure there is a write up on it.

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/05/633952187/where-do-confederate-monuments-go-after-they-come-down

...cities like Memphis are now dealing with a different problem: what to do with the controversial statues once they're removed from public spaces. In many cases, they remain hidden in storage while municipalities decide their fate.

...even without the legal morass, it's unclear who would be willing to take the three Confederate monuments. Museums, which might seem like the obvious choice, are often hesitant to take them on.

"Truth is, we absolutely could not take them," says Christy Coleman, CEO of the American Civil War Museum in Richmond, Va. Coleman often receives calls from cities hoping to find homes for their Confederate monuments.
 
Ya gotta love some of the honesty back before the revisionists showed up and learned that saying something completely different bought them sympathy and faux legitimacy.

The Confederate Veteran—the official publication of the United Confederate Veterans—in 1906:


The kindliest relation that ever existed between the two races in this country, or that ever will, was the ante-bellum relation of master and slave—a relation of confidence and responsibility on the part of the master and of dependence and fidelity on the part of the slave.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/what-this-cruel-war-was-over/396482/
 
Harmed ...in terms of done wrong not hurt.

'who is the injured party?

Who is the owner of orphaned property.

Whoever owns the property. I can't tell you the number of abandoned factories that I've driven by. That doesn't mean I can park next to one and just wander about inside destroying things, even though the building is falling apart.
 
Ah, but the students feel good...virtuous. And isn't that what really matters? ;)

Maybe they should learn what Winston Smith's job was in the Ministry of Truth... or consider what Santayana said about remembering the past.

If the monuments wrote truth on their placards, you might have a point. Why do they not?

Does any " commemorating statue" say this below the proud White Supremacist's stone boots?

The African, com*ing from a barbarous state and from a tropical climate, could not meet the demands for skilled labor in the factories of the Northern States; neither could he endure the severe cold of the Northern winter. For these reasons it was both mer*ciful and “business” to sell him to the Southern planter, where the climate was more favorable and skilled labor not so important. In the South the climate, civilization, and other influences ameliorated the African’s condition, and that of almost the entire race of slaves, which numbered into the millions before their emancipation.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/what-this-cruel-war-was-over/396482/

If you want true history, be true to it.
 
Who was harmed? Most of the people that erected the statue are dead today. The statue is on school property, but the school is not the conservator of the statue.

It is an orphaned monument whose progenitors are long gone.

If they wanted it removed - they should have gone the legal route, which is what others are doing.

What they did, however, is vandalism, and since the value of the statue is probably quite high, it likely exceeds the maximum for a misdemeanor charge, and all who are identified should be arrested and be charged with felonies.

The law must treat everyone equally, regardless if their crime was political.
 
Whoever owns the property. I can't tell you the number of abandoned factories that I've driven by. That doesn't mean I can park next to one and just wander about inside destroying things, even though the building is falling apart.

An abandoned building is part of the real property. The city, county and state recognize it as such. there are laws which apply to the destruction of real property.

A statue commissioned by a bunch of morons a hundred years ago can in no way be considered anything other than orphaned property.

It is what it is.

A hunk of crap that has outlived it's creators. If anyone has a legal claim to the property, then let them come forward, claim the property, and haul it way at their expense.
 
If they wanted it removed - they should have gone the legal route, which is what others are doing.

What they did, however, is vandalism, and since the value of the statue is probably quite high, it likely exceeds the maximum for a misdemeanor charge, and all who are identified should be arrested and be charged with felonies.

The law must treat everyone equally, regardless if their crime was political.

Why? Laws protect the living. there is no living creator of the statue.

The statue is down. If anyone wants to file charges that have claim to the property...they are welcomed to do so.
 
:lamo Shallow to say the criminal left usually get a pass, no?

Maybe unlike the right...the left can discern what is law and what is not.

Maybe it is the right that is all ass-backwards.

John Dean is a rat
Ollie North and G. Gordan Liddy are heroes.
 
Maybe unlike the right...the left can discern what is law and what is not.

Maybe it is the right that is all ass-backwards.

John Dean is a rat
Ollie North and G. Gordan Liddy are heroes.

Maybe.

But it's funny to think street criminals have a lean or that the ones that do get some kind of pass.
 
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