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Dear Charlottesville AntiFa: You blew it.

Checkerboard Strangler said:
Stephen Miller now wants to go after legal immigrants. So stop falsifying and self-inoculating because it's not going to work.
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Lefties do not want Muslim immigrants questioned about whether they have radical mass murdering Muslim views or not, they do not want criminal illegals locked up or deported, and they do not want US borders closed to illegal entry, among other nonsense. So who cares what they think about Stephen Miller?
 
marke said:
"Fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition." Miriam-Webster online.

Let's see how this applies to republican presidents of the US. We will use Dwight Eisenhower to make our points. The first definition of fascism listed above describes love or exaltation of nation. Here is what Eisenhower is purported to have said:

Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. He is also purported to have said:

There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens cannot cure. He sounds just like God Bless American President Trump. In the eyes of leftist radicals, therefore, Eisenhower was a fascist.

According to the definition of fascist we should also see one race exalted above another in fascist governments. Hitler favored white races. Obama favored racial quotas and quorums and leftists have demanded blacks be considered over whites based entirely on race in some or several jobs. That makes fascists out of those supporting special privileges based on race alone. I don't think Eisenhower was a fascist racist and there is no evidence that Trump is either.

Another definition pertains to autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader. What kind of government is that? It is a type of government that allows brutal fascist leaders to murder opponents and do as they please without accountability to anyone. We know Hitler and Mussolini were fascist leaders, but not President Trump. He is under constant threat from opposition forces in America with the ability to mount an impeachment based upon nothing but a false allegation of a crime. If Trump were a fascist that would never have been allowed to begin at the outset and would certainly have ended by now.

Obama enacted several executive orders and even started a war with Libya with no approval from Congress. He did some of his most highly acclaimed leftist work just with a "pen and a phone."

How about "severe economic and social regimentation?" Obamacare mandated fascism is the most like that of any that has come down from DC in decades. It is true that Eisenhower called out federal troops to suppress racism in the Arkansas Democrat party government 60 years ago, but I do not think that can really be called a fascist suppression of opposition.
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Looks like you started AND ended with Ike though in Ike you picked the most anti-fascist GOP President possible. Remember...Supreme Allied Commander against.....THE FASCISTS!!!!!
 
jnug said:
Looks like you started AND ended with Ike though in Ike you picked the most anti-fascist GOP President possible. Remember...Supreme Allied Commander against.....THE FASCISTS!!!!!
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Look, I am leaving you an open forum to explain why leftist anarchists claim Trump is a fascist.
 
marke said:
"Fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition." Miriam-Webster online.

Let's see how this applies to republican presidents of the US. We will use Dwight Eisenhower to make our points.
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Eisenhower was labeled as a communist sympathizer by your crowd.
Sorry, please try again, that was weak.

Where did you copy and paste that from?
 
marke said:
Look, I am leaving you an open forum to explain why leftist anarchists claim Trump is a fascist.
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Hmmm, you seem desperate. Trump is utilizing fascist tactics because a fair number of his larger support team understand their effectiveness. I personally do not believe nor have I ever believed that Trump himself possesses enough intellectual curiosity to actually be a fascist. But show him a shortcut that makes him win, and he probably wouldn't care what it's called.
Trump is a tool.

Now, when you hear someone like Stephen Miller say this:



You begin to hear the goosestepping.
Mind you, Miller was fielding questions about Trump's pet "voter fraud" CT and the travel ban, and Trump's decision to ignore the ruling of a federal judge.


So he wasn't responding to questions about a war.
 
marke said:
Lefties do not want Muslim immigrants questioned about whether they have radical mass murdering Muslim views or not, they do not want criminal illegals locked up or deported, and they do not want US borders closed to illegal entry, among other nonsense. So who cares what they think about Stephen Miller?
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I'm getting sick of you attempting to stuff words in my mouth, your words.
I've already pointed out that almost no one wants open borders.
Creating troll bait posts about RW fantasy jerkoffs only exposes your real agenda.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Eisenhower was labeled as a communist sympathizer by your crowd.
Sorry, please try again, that was weak.

Where did you copy and paste that from?
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I copied by hand what I wrote from material obtained on the internet. I pasted nothing.
 
marke said:
We will use Dwight Eisenhower to make our points. The first definition of fascism listed above describes love or exaltation of nation.
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Eisenhower was Supreme Allied Commander of the Allied Expeditionary Force. He carried out the Allied assault on the coast of Normandy in June 1944 under the code name Operation Overlord, the liberation of Western Europe and the invasion of Germany. He was later promoted to General of the Army, with the rank of 5-star General.
The man KILLED fascists for a living.

You should try copying and pasting from somewhere else.
And...your agenda is showing.
But you can always just keep flailing. I am rather enjoying beating the crap out of your lame suppositions.
Eventually I might grow bored but I bet a few others will take over and continue beating your lame arguments into the mud.
 
Fascism is a Right wing form of totalitarian authoritarianism, Communism is the same but on the extreme Left.

In between and separated by a vast amount of philosophical and ideological real estate are the various moderate positions on both Right and Left, to varying degrees.
If you don't understand this basic fact, you don't understand anything.

If your agenda is to keep both moderate factions divided, you're not even effective at doing that.
But I do believe that IS your hoped for agenda however, you just SUCK at it, like most of your buddies.
(the ones dropping all the LIKES on your posts)
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Hmmm, you seem desperate. Trump is utilizing fascist tactics because a fair number of his larger support team understand their effectiveness. I personally do not believe nor have I ever believed that Trump himself possesses enough intellectual curiosity to actually be a fascist. But show him a shortcut that makes him win, and he probably wouldn't care what it's called.
Trump is a tool.

Now, when you hear someone like Stephen Miller say this:



You begin to hear the goosestepping.
Mind you, Miller was fielding questions about Trump's pet "voter fraud" CT and the travel ban, and Trump's decision to ignore the ruling of a federal judge.


So he wasn't responding to questions about a war.
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Are you saying Miller is a fascist or Trump is a fascist because Miller says Trump will not be intimidated or obstructed by violent fascist anarchists openly attempting to destroy America?
 
marke said:
Look, I am leaving you an open forum to explain why leftist anarchists claim Trump is a fascist.
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Why....WHY...are you serious! I don't know what leftist anarchists think of Trump. I don't run in that crowd. But as for why he is a Fascist?

- Trump loves him some privatization, the tool of the Fascist and a doctrinal element of Fascism for one. Has an Education Sec trying to privatize education wherever she can and is trying to privatize the VA. Will privatize anything he can get his paws on and can get away with privatizing including Social Security
- Trump rouses his rabble to entirely outlandish realms of Nationalism and Nativism. Worse, since we can now point to him dragging the flag through the mud in Singapore and Helsinki, we can't even say that he comes to that honestly. Its a tool to keep his base riled
- Trump is over the top with his support of the wacky end of law enforcement as a tool to maintain iron fist control of minorities ala' Sheriff Joe Arpaio who he had the unmitigated gall to pardon!!!
- has his AG bringing back minimum sentences for non-violent crime as a means to keep minorities in jail serving sentences of exaggerated length

That is four major elements of a Fascist trying to work his will. Need I go on? I can but I simply do not have the patience to continue an argument that makes itself!
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Eisenhower was Supreme Allied Commander of the Allied Expeditionary Force. He carried out the Allied assault on the coast of Normandy in June 1944 under the code name Operation Overlord, the liberation of Western Europe and the invasion of Germany. He was later promoted to General of the Army, with the rank of 5-star General.
The man KILLED fascists for a living.

You should try copying and pasting from somewhere else.
And...your agenda is showing.
But you can always just keep flailing. I am rather enjoying beating the crap out of your lame suppositions.
Eventually I might grow bored but I bet a few others will take over and continue beating your lame arguments into the mud.
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Let me try to connect the dots. Modern punk fascist anarchists are calling Trump a fascist but they don't have the first clue what real fascism and real fascists are. Neither Trump nor Eisenhower were fascists although both have or had exhibited some of the strongest God bless American patriotism and national pride of any of other former presidents.
 
marke said:
Let me try to connect the dots. Modern punk fascist anarchists are calling Trump a fascist but they don't have the first clue what real fascism and real fascists are. Neither Trump nor Eisenhower were fascists although both have or had exhibited some of the strongest God bless American patriotism and national pride of any of other former presidents.
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Ike was a patriot. Donald is not. Patriots don't hide behind the flag and then drag it through the mud. Over the top Nationalism with Nativism as a catalyst is NOT PATRIOTISM.

I have one for you...Would Ike on his worst day EVER vilify John McCain and denigrate his status as an American Hero? Would Ike do that? Did Donald do that? Give me break.
 
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Checkerboard Strangler said:
Obama also wound down a couple of wars as well, but that doesn't get talked about either.
Oh wait, I thought you guys were busy accusing him of being soft on terrorism, which is it?

Isn't he "Obama the Appeaser" who went on an "apology tour" and "paling around with terrorists?"

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You will have to take that up with those "guys" you are referring to. Simple fact is that Obama is the only President in US history to spend 2 full terms waging war. Just like every President in my lifetime that has ran on being antiwar, once in office they continue the same military interventions as the previous administrations. Acting as if Trump, Obama, Bush...etc are any different when it comes to wasting trillions of dollars in pointless wars in the middle east is rather ridiculous. Sadly this is one of the few things Republican and Democratic politicians agree on (except when on the campaign trail)
 
jnug said:
Why....WHY...are you serious! I don't know what leftist anarchists think of Trump. I don't run in that crowd. But as for why he is a Fascist?

- Trump loves him some privatization, the tool of the Fascist and a doctrinal element of Fascism for one. Has an Education Sec trying to privatize education wherever she can and is trying to privatize the VA. Will privatize anything he can get his paws on and can get away with privatizing including Social Security
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Privatization is not fascism. Big government authoritarian control is fascism.

- Trump rouses his rabble to entirely outlandish realms of Nationalism and Nativism. Worse, since we can now point to him dragging the flag through the mud in Singapore and Helsinki, we can't even say that he comes to that honestly. Its a tool to keep his base riled
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God bless American national pride and patriotism is not fascism, "GODDAMN AMERICA" black Obama church sedition is fascism.

- Trump is over the top with his support of the wacky end of law enforcement as a tool to maintain iron fist control of minorities ala' Sheriff Joe Arpaio who he had the unmitigated gall to pardon!!!
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"Iron fisted control" over lawless thugs and brutal anarchists and murderers is not fascism. Turning criminal gangsters loose on the street to rape and kill again while obstructing American laws and law enforcement officers is fascism.

- has his AG bringing back minimum sentences for non-violent crime as a means to keep minorities in jail serving sentences of exaggerated length
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"...as a means to keep minorities in jail" is fascist leftist anarchist racist propagandist crap.

That is four major elements of a Fascist trying to work his will. Need I go on? I can but I simply do not have the patience to continue an argument that makes itself!
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jnug said:
Ike was a patriot. Donald is not. Patriots don't hide behind the flag and then drag it through the mud. Over the top Nationalism with Nativism as a catalyst is NOT PATRIOTISM.

I have one for you...Would Ike on his worst day EVER vilify John McCain and denigrate his status as an American Hero? Would Ike do that? Did Donald do that? Give me break.
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Some very patriotic American military officers and former prisoners of war have, as you say, "denigrated McCain's status as an American hero." So, who are you going to vilify, the American hero who admitted aiding and abetting the enemy or those American heroes who suffered worse for refusing to aid and abet the enemy?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Cal Perry at NBC News and his crew are among several groups of reporters who have been getting viciously attacked without provocation by AntiFa groups, last night and today.

As a liberal Democrat, this is it for me, I disown and disavow ANY approval or support for AntiFa at this point, because despite my own "anti-fascist" point of view, you guys have actually managed to create an atmosphere which destroys ANY sympathy for your actions. Attacking news media is a bridge too far.

No, not the thousands of people who simply attended or observed the rally in support of liberal ideas, JUST YOU GUYS. You're not helping. You SUCK. You are now the very monsters you profess to hate.

Congratulations, and in future do not ask for my support, as I believe ordinary mainstreamers like myself are capable of doing a much better job of it.
The only thing you're accomplishing today is making yourselves look like douchebags and assholes.
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I always have. These antifa folk are just the same ones that were the anarchists and black-bloc of yesteryear. Same people doing the same things. Hated them then. Hate them now.
 
poweRob said:
I always have. These antifa folk are just the same ones that were the anarchists and black-bloc of yesteryear. Same people doing the same things. Hated them then. Hate them now.
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Some are; most are not.
 
marke said:
Privatization is not fascism. Big government authoritarian control is fascism.



God bless American national pride and patriotism is not fascism, "GODDAMN AMERICA" black Obama church sedition is fascism.



"Iron fisted control" over lawless thugs and brutal anarchists and murderers is not fascism. Turning criminal gangsters loose on the street to rape and kill again while obstructing American laws and law enforcement officers is fascism.



"...as a means to keep minorities in jail" is fascist leftist anarchist racist propagandist crap.
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All laughable absurdities combined with blather..not worth more of a response than that. I can't pump years of education into people via posting on an internet forum. Some of us have tried to elevate the discussion and provide something of value and some here are just cement headed propagandists.

And just for the record...privatization is the tool of the fascist...everybody with a brain who has actually studied the topic knows that. Ergo, those that don't even get that much either don't have a brain or have not studied the topic.
 
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poweRob said:
I always have. These antifa folk are just the same ones that were the anarchists and black-bloc of yesteryear. Same people doing the same things. Hated them then. Hate them now.
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Yes, most of them really ARE the same blak bloque punks.
I was putting up with them as a nuisance, thinking maybe they would fade into history as a footnote, you know, sort of "the troubles we had with the AntiFa assholes for a couple of months".
I didn't want to make it the central issue because the central issue was and still is the tiki torch people, the folks carrying the swastika flags, the Richard Spencer fans, the assholes who think the Confederacy deserves honor, the Klan friendlies.

I figured maybe AntiFa would mix it up a couple of times, so what, punks kids need something to do.
I also made the mistake of thinking they'd wander around aimlessly when it turned out that attendance was almost nil this time around.
And boy was I wrong, and now they're just lashing out at anyone and everyone...and not even JUST journalists, anyone holding a stupid phone camera.
So yeah, they are NOT going away, and they seem to think they are relevant.
****ing parasites.

And of course now "the tiki torch people, the folks carrying the swastika flags, the Richard Spencer fans, the assholes who think the Confederacy deserves honor, the Klan friendlies", all think this is their big chance to inoculate themselves!

That's never going to happen.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Yes, most of them really ARE the same blak bloque punks.
I was putting up with them as a nuisance, thinking maybe they would fade into history as a footnote, you know, sort of "the troubles we had with the AntiFa assholes for a couple of months". I didn't want to make it the central issue because the central issue was and still is the tiki torch people, the folks carrying the swastika flags, the Richard Spencer fans, the assholes who think the Confederacy deserves honor, the Klan friendlies.

I figured maybe AntiFa would mix it up a couple of times, so what, punks kids need something to do.
I also made the mistake of thinking they wander around aimlessly when it turned out that attendance was almost nil this time around.
And boy was I wrong, and now they're just lashing out at anyone and everyone...and not even JUST journalists, anyone holding a stupid phone camera.
So yeah, they are NOT going away, and they seem to think they are relevant.
****ing parasites.
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I ****ing hate them because;

1) I don't believe violence is the answer
2) They ruin the message of the left... because to crap-your-pants trumpanzees, one antifa guy = 100 klansmen by the shear level of noise they make about them. And as long as there is that one antifa guy out there, it is all trumpanzees need to "whataboutism" their way out of every white supremacists' action that ever takes place.
 
marke said:
Some very patriotic American military officers and former prisoners of war have, as you say, "denigrated McCain's status as an American hero." So, who are you going to vilify, the American hero who admitted aiding and abetting the enemy or those American heroes who suffered worse for refusing to aid and abet the enemy?
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Unresponsive...more blather....not more than that.

There is simply no way to compare Corporal Bone Spurs to Ike when the discussion is patriotism. Ike is a patriot. Trump is a self aggrandizing POS.

There is simply no rational discussion to be had on this topic.
 
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