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Hillary... Feinstein... vs Trump... the 2-tier justice system

The email Donald Trump Jr. received:



And in a followup email:



So again: when Trump Jr. received this email, why didn't the Trump campaign go to the FBI at once?

Oppo dirt comes your way and you don't even listen? Didn't seem to work that way with the Hillary campaign and the Obama administration. That administration, it's FBI and DOJ arms most certainly used that dubious oppo information for all it was worth, misleading the FISA court and judges in the process.

What information, exactly, came of that meeting? Was it used by the Trump campaign?

That'd probably be a 'No', as the only reported discussion from that meeting appeared to be centered around Russian orphans and possibly broaching the topic of rescinding the Magnitsky Act, neither of which would be unusual for a presidential campaign.

On the flip side, we know how the Obama's administration has, and is, using oppo information sourced from the Russians.

I'll sum it up this way, and say that neither sequence of events, decisions and actions taken are US politics at its best, or what it should be.

All this diversion of yours still doesn't address or eliminate the questionable decisions and actions taken by the FBI during the Hillary email investigation that I raised in post #12, which you seem to be determined to avoid at all costs.
 
So despite being under the lock her up crowd control they can't for some reason find a legal reason to lock her up?

:shrug:

I'd be happy if she quietly retired and took up knitting, taking her spoils with her, and stayed out of the public spotlight; took to being a grandmother, which she surely is by now, or will soon be.

I've quite had my fill of Hill and Bill, and the inevitable scandals that follow them wherever they go and whatever they do.
 
Oppo dirt comes your way and you don't even listen? Didn't seem to work that way with the Hillary campaign and the Obama administration. That administration, it's FBI and DOJ arms most certainly used that dubious oppo information for all it was worth, misleading the FISA court and judges in the process.

What information, exactly, came of that meeting? Was it used by the Trump campaign?

That'd probably be a 'No', as the only reported discussion from that meeting appeared to be centered around Russian orphans and possibly broaching the topic of rescinding the Magnitsky Act, neither of which would be unusual for a presidential campaign.

On the flip side, we know how the Obama's administration has, and is, using oppo information sourced from the Russians.

I'll sum it up this way, and say that neither sequence of events, decisions and actions taken are US politics at its best, or what it should be.

All this diversion of yours still doesn't address or eliminate the questionable decisions and actions taken by the FBI during the Hillary email investigation that I raised in post #12, which you seem to be determined to avoid at all costs.

What Steele uncovered alarmed him enough to go to the FBI with what he learned. Why didn't the Trump campaign go to the FBI after being approached by the FBI, eohrnberger?
 
Spot on.

Mueller's sole job with this cooked up 'investigation' is to make sure that no one looks too closely at the Obama admin, Obama's DOJ and FBI, and Hillary's State Department, and yet, in spite of his best efforts, the truth is still coming out, and unfolding before the public, or at least the public that's paying attention and not easily diverted.

Fox News highlighted a group last night who were hosting a convention in Las Vegas for hackers. I believe the biggest threat in the coming elections is that of undetectable voter machine manipulation. Same number of voter with or without illegals voting, but changing the votes internally by remote access. I predict Trump's approval rating will still be high in November, but there could well be a blue wave and the democrats will regain control of Congress and shut down all investigations into leftist corruption in the government.

If no blue wave comes this November then I expect one in 2020 if nothing happens to address the fact that voting machines can be hacked and votes can be undetectably altered. If that happens then the criminal swapping of votes in favor of the crooks will effect a coup and America as we know it will be lost.
 
What Steele uncovered alarmed him enough to go to the FBI with what he learned.

What Steele received from Russians, possibly agents of the government . . . .

Why didn't the Trump campaign go to the FBI after being approached by the FBI, eohrnberger?

Why would the Trump campaign go to the FBI after being approached by the FBI? Doesn't the FBI's right hand know what the left hand is doing? Probably not.
(Yeah, probably not what you meant :mrgreen:)

You can keep asking unanswerable questions all you want. Isn't going to get you any more answers.
 
Fox News highlighted a group last night who were hosting a convention in Las Vegas for hackers. I believe the biggest threat in the coming elections is that of undetectable voter machine manipulation. Same number of voter with or without illegals voting, but changing the votes internally by remote access.

Digital only voting machines? The ones I vote for are paper ballot with digital tabulation. If I recall, even a digital voting machine has a paper ballot printed out when the voter finishes their voting selections. Reconciliation between the paper record and the digital results would certainly reveal the voting results manipulation that you seem to be speaking of.

I predict Trump's approval rating will still be high in November, but there could well be a blue wave and the democrats will regain control of Congress and shut down all investigations into leftist corruption in the government.

If no blue wave comes this November then I expect one in 2020 if nothing happens to address the fact that voting machines can be hacked and votes can be undetectably altered.
:shrug:
If that happens then the criminal swapping of votes in favor of the crooks will effect a coup and America as we know it will be lost.

Both of the party machines will be lining up to contract those that can do that if there's a reasonable chance that it would be successful and undetectable. As I'm pretty certain of what I posted above, I'm not thinking it is.
 
Why are all of these law enforcement and intelligence agencies looking into my crimes it’s not faaaiiiiiiiirrr

I know you are not as dense as your post might indicate to some.

The question being posed that you are ignoring is why the Democrats are being given a a pass and why Trump is being pilloried.

"faaaiiiiiiiirrr"ness would indicate that either Trump also be given a pass or that the others also be pilloried.

By the way, what is the crime that justified the appointment of Mueller and the subsequent employment of his minions?

As far as I know, there wasn't one. Can you link to the crime stated in the original appointment?
 
I know you are not as dense as your post might indicate to some.

The question being posed that you are ignoring is why the Democrats are being given a a pass and why Trump is being pilloried.

"faaaiiiiiiiirrr"ness would indicate that either Trump also be given a pass or that the others also be pilloried.

By the way, what is the crime that justified the appointment of Mueller and the subsequent employment of his minions?

As far as I know, there wasn't one. Can you link to the crime stated in the original appointment?

Wasn't this investigation started on a counter-intelligence basis?
Isn't that why when Mueller's team finds any crimes, they have to refer it to a US attorney?

So, no, I don't think that Mueller's investigation started with a crime and is looking for a criminal, which is the usual course of action. In this case, I think Mueller's investigation started with a person, Trump, and the referred criminal cases are a means to continue to pressure Trump.
 
They did warn Trump once before he took office and then after. He chose to not believe the warnings because democrats are worse than Russians.
Give me a break with this nonsense.

So he was warned after the election and after he took office?

The investigation was started before the election. Why no warning at that time? The FISA Warrant for Carter Page was granted BEFORE the election during the campaign obviously to spy on the opposition party Candidate.

Before that, Manafort was being investigated and then the investigation was dropped in about the 2014 time frame. It rose from the dead when Manafort was hired by Trump.

If this is equal justice under the law, the word "Equal" is up for re-definition.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...a742a6e93a7_story.html?utm_term=.09839fc69b20

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ions-about-the-manafort-investigation/540270/
 
Hillary Clinton has been investigated more than any candidate I can remember.

She's been investigated by reverent and kiss blowing acolytes assertively acting only to help her avoid guilt.

The internal memo of the FBI that exonerates Clinton was written and distributed months before Clinton was even interviewed on the matter despite proof that she actually DID commit the stated crime.

When the actual interview occurred everyone associated with Clinto was granted immunity. This is far cry from those associated with Trump.

Exoneration of Trump would be more difficult since no crime has EVER been stated.

Neat trick that...

If no crime is stated, then no exoneration can be issued and the witch hunt becomes an eternal device that will never go out of date.

Our Department of Justice has little to do with justice. The thread's title might guide you in understanding what the thread is about.
 
They tipped off Feinstein about her 20-year spy.

They didn’t warn Trump about potential problems.

Hillary colluded with the Russians and hasn’t been investigated.

Trump was spied on, didn’t collude with the Russians, had the FBI, CIA and DoJ with Obama conspire against him.

Justice is not blind in America. The Left... have been exposed as corrupt.

That is true.
And many now are seeing the light.
The Left spreads Kake News.
M-Bob
 
Interesting that the party in control, led by Nunes, hasn’t found anything on Clinton yet, besides what the Russians gave the GOP.

The GOP has now completely sold out the USA, including doing nothing about the ongoing Russian interference in this year’s elections, which Pompeo and Coats readily admit to.

Pompeo and Coats also readily admit to not having a readout from Helsinki, so once again the American public is dependent on the GRU for its information, as when #45 sold out the Israelis to the Russians in the White House.

I may have been mistaken to trust McConnell and Ryan to be Patriotic Americans, especially with the Nunes tape.

What is left to find on Clinton? She conspired to have the illegal server installed and used it with the complicit acknowledgement and permission of Obama.

She conspired to destroy evidence by having the server wiped.

She conspired to destroy evidence that was currently under subpoena.

None of this is in question.

Yet she is exonerated and Trump is the subject of a witch hunt.

Are you seriously unaware of all of this?
 
Wasn't this investigation started on a counter-intelligence basis?
Isn't that why when Mueller's team finds any crimes, they have to refer it to a US attorney?

So, no, I don't think that Mueller's investigation started with a crime and is looking for a criminal, which is the usual course of action. In this case, I think Mueller's investigation started with a person, Trump, and the referred criminal cases are a means to continue to pressure Trump.

When a case is referred by Mueller it is because it is outside of his purview.

The investigation did not start with Trump. What makes you think that it did?
 
Digital only voting machines? The ones I vote for are paper ballot with digital tabulation. If I recall, even a digital voting machine has a paper ballot printed out when the voter finishes their voting selections. Reconciliation between the paper record and the digital results would certainly reveal the voting results manipulation that you seem to be speaking of.


:shrug:


Both of the party machines will be lining up to contract those that can do that if there's a reasonable chance that it would be successful and undetectable. As I'm pretty certain of what I posted above, I'm not thinking it is.

This is what was reported in July, 2007:

Source Code Review of the Sequoia Voting System, July 20, 2007, prepared at the University of California, Berkeley under contract to the California Secretary of State

The Sequoia system lacks effective safeguards against corrupted or malicious data injected onto removable media, especially for devices entrusted to poll workers...

A poll worker with physical access to a Results Cartridge or MemoryPack before the results are counted...can change recorded votes...

MemoryPacks are not protected from unauthorized reading or tampering by cryptography or other software-based mechanism.
 
What Steele received from Russians, possibly agents of the government . . . .



Why would the Trump campaign go to the FBI after being approached by the FBI? Doesn't the FBI's right hand know what the left hand is doing? Probably not.
(Yeah, probably not what you meant :mrgreen:)

You can keep asking unanswerable questions all you want. Isn't going to get you any more answers.

Reduced to making fun of typos? Why didn't the Trump campaign go to the FBI after being approached by Russian agents, eohrnberger? You’ve stalled long enough. Answer the question.
 
I know you are not as dense as your post might indicate to some.

The question being posed that you are ignoring is why the Democrats are being given a a pass and why Trump is being pilloried.

"faaaiiiiiiiirrr"ness would indicate that either Trump also be given a pass or that the others also be pilloried.

By the way, what is the crime that justified the appointment of Mueller and the subsequent employment of his minions?

As far as I know, there wasn't one. Can you link to the crime stated in the original appointment?

Hillary Clinton was not given a pass. She was thoroughly investigated. You’re not mad about the difference in investigations, you’re mad about the outcome. You think Hillary should be in jail, so anyone who thinks different must be biased.

Mueller was appointed to investigate Russian meddling in the US election. You’re not dumb enough to have not already known that, so why did you ask? Russia absolutely did meddle in our election. Again, you’re just mad about the outcome. This investigation has brought Mueller to the highest levels of the Trump campaign. He was surrounded by people with shady foreign links.
 
Hillary Clinton was not given a pass. She was thoroughly investigated. You’re not mad about the difference in investigations, you’re mad about the outcome. You think Hillary should be in jail, so anyone who thinks different must be biased.

Mueller was appointed to investigate Russian meddling in the US election. You’re not dumb enough to have not already known that, so why did you ask? Russia absolutely did meddle in our election. Again, you’re just mad about the outcome. This investigation has brought Mueller to the highest levels of the Trump campaign. He was surrounded by people with shady foreign links.

Comey may have declared Hillary guilty but not chargeable, but she is still a 'witness', if not a suspect, into other investigations, like the investigation into the Clinton Foundation.
 
Hillary Clinton was not given a pass. She was thoroughly investigated. You’re not mad about the difference in investigations, you’re mad about the outcome. You think Hillary should be in jail, so anyone who thinks different must be biased.

Mueller was appointed to investigate Russian meddling in the US election. You’re not dumb enough to have not already known that, so why did you ask? Russia absolutely did meddle in our election. Again, you’re just mad about the outcome. This investigation has brought Mueller to the highest levels of the Trump campaign. He was surrounded by people with shady foreign links.

As was Hillary.

Why no interest in her?
 
When a case is referred by Mueller it is because it is outside of his purview.

The investigation did not start with Trump. What makes you think that it did?

I don't.

The latest story is that the case started with George P's conversation with some foreign dignitary in a London bar, but even that's rather fuzzy as there were action taken previous to this, if I'm not mistaken. But the actual starting point, the FBI's 'Paragraph One' - the reasoning for the start of the investigation, hasn't come to public light, and I rather doubt that it ever will.
 
This is what was reported in July, 2007:

Source Code Review of the Sequoia Voting System, July 20, 2007, prepared at the University of California, Berkeley under contract to the California Secretary of State

The Sequoia system lacks effective safeguards against corrupted or malicious data injected onto removable media, especially for devices entrusted to poll workers...

A poll worker with physical access to a Results Cartridge or MemoryPack before the results are counted...can change recorded votes...

MemoryPacks are not protected from unauthorized reading or tampering by cryptography or other software-based mechanism.

OK. One voting system out of a great many that are used across the nation's polling places as the potential to be compromised.
I think it would be time to either upgrade / protect / secure these systems and prove that they have been, or replace them.

What is the percentage of these systems used across all voting systems? I'm pretty sure that it isn't 100%, and would think its as low as single digits.
 
Reduced to making fun of typos?

What's the harm in a little fun? It wasn't serious, and I did take it as what you meant to post, so come on!

Why didn't the Trump campaign go to the FBI after being approached by Russian agents, eohrnberger? You’ve stalled long enough. Answer the question.

As I've posted, this is an unanswerable question, at least by me.
I don't think this question of yours was even posed during the related hearings.
How the hell should I know? Go ask the Trump campaign.

So you can keep asking unanswerable questions if you like, but that doesn't mean you are going to get any answers to them.
 
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