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Turkey, New banking Crisis in the Making?

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It's spreading to global markets. Hold tight guys.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-as-turkey-turmoil-ripples-out-idUSKBN1KV03F

LONDON (Reuters) - A plunge in the Turkish lira rocked global equities and emerging markets on Friday and fears of more turmoil sent investors scurrying for safety in assets like the yen and U.S. government bonds.

...It came on the back of a deepening rift with the United States, worries about its own economy and lack of action from policymakers.

The currency is now down more than 36 percent this year...fanning worries about a full-blown economic crisis.
 
I knew it..I knew it...said it here.

Said Trump would simply start to create an utterly unmanageable, unsnarleble set of tariffs, some over here some over there, this much here, this much there...now he is down to employing tariffs on a country like Turkey. Snaps his fingers...tariffs!!!! How are these National Security DONALD!

This guy is a f--king idiot...a card carrying f--king idiot.
 
I knew it..I knew it...said it here.

Said Trump would simply start to create an utterly unmanageable, unsnarleble set of tariffs, some over here some over there, this much here, this much there...now he is down to employing tariffs on a country like Turkey. Snaps his fingers...tariffs!!!! How are these National Security DONALD!

This guy is a f--king idiot...a card carrying f--king idiot.

But, Trump's boss is happy. I am sure.

And yet, it has definitely changed, thanks not so much to national interests, but to failings in leadership. The U.S. will have to settle for something less loyal, less an alliance and more a transactional relationship. But then that seems to define these times pretty aptly.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-10/u-s-turkey-relations-will-never-be-the-same

Putin smiles.
 
All Turkey has to do to avoid a catastrophe to their economy is release one man back to his family. I'm sure Turkey is also now getting pressure from other finance-related people and organizations to meet the President's demand.

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We are way past that.
 
We are way past that.

Way past that? No. This is what Trump intended. You should know by now that he uses economic pressure and leverage to induce the behavior he wants. As the article shows, the economic pressure is taking effect. It remains to be seen if that pressure induces Turkey to release the American.
 
way past that? No. This is what trump intended. You should know by now that he uses economic pressure and leverage to induce the behavior he wants. As the article shows, the economic pressure is taking effect. It remains to be seen if that pressure induces turkey to release the american.

because he is an idiot!
 
If I were Turkey I would ban all flights of US aircraft into Turkish airspace, and all US ships into Turkish waters as my next step.

The US needs Turkey more than Turkey needs the US
 
Erdogan is creating the crisis himself. Reuters' report from 4 months ago ... (and the problem didn't just start 4 months ago):


"ISTANBUL (Reuters) - Turkey’s lira was a touch weaker on Monday after plumbing a series of record lows last week, as investor alarm about double-digit inflation has been heightened by President Tayyip Erdogan’s drive for lower interest rates.

... The president, a self-described “enemy of interest rates” wants to keep borrowing costs low to stimulate growth, particularly through construction projects, ahead of next year’s elections. Investors fear the central bank is unable to rein in inflation because of pressure from Erdogan. ..."


https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...arm-over-currency-and-inflation-idUSKBN1HN13U
 
Way past that? No. This is what Trump intended. You should know by now that he uses economic pressure and leverage to induce the behavior he wants. As the article shows, the economic pressure is taking effect. It remains to be seen if that pressure induces Turkey to release the American.
Has nothing to do with that idiot American. This has been in the making long before Trump and Trump and the religious right are just trying to exploit this to get a possible criminal out of Turkey.

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If I were Turkey I would ban all flights of US aircraft into Turkish airspace, and all US ships into Turkish waters as my next step.

The US needs Turkey more than Turkey needs the US


That would most likely mean war ... and we are very close to it already.

"A group of pro-government lawyers in Turkey have filed charges against several U.S. officers associated with Incirlik Air Base, seeking their arrest for alleged ties to terrorist groups.

The accusations come amid increased tensions between the U.S. and Turkey, a NATO ally that has cracked down in recent years on political opposition, shut down media outlets and tightened control of the court system, according to international aid groups. ..."


https://www.stripes.com/news/turkis...-servicemembers-on-incirlik-air-base-1.541627
 
That would most likely mean war ... and we are very close to it already.

"A group of pro-government lawyers in Turkey have filed charges against several U.S. officers associated with Incirlik Air Base, seeking their arrest for alleged ties to terrorist groups.

The accusations come amid increased tensions between the U.S. and Turkey, a NATO ally that has cracked down in recent years on political opposition, shut down media outlets and tightened control of the court system, according to international aid groups. ..."


https://www.stripes.com/news/turkis...-servicemembers-on-incirlik-air-base-1.541627

Does not Turkey have the right to control its airspace and its territorial waters?
 
Has nothing to do with that idiot American. This has been in the making long before Trump and Trump and the religious right are just trying to exploit this to get a possible criminal out of Turkey.

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Quite right, Turkey has been borrowing to much money for too long. Now Turkey has been using quite a bit of it to build up its industry to my knowledge, so it could come out of this stronger, or if handled poorly a basket case headed for hyper inflation for years if not decades to come
 
Has nothing to do with that idiot American. This has been in the making long before Trump and Trump and the religious right are just trying to exploit this to get a possible criminal out of Turkey.

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As I said...he uses economic pressure and leverage to induce the behavior he wants. His increased sanctions...affecting the banking industry...are indeed having an effect no matter what problems already exist.

Now...you may have your own opinion on whether that pastor is a criminal or not. Trump has HIS opinion. Perhaps you disagree with him about the pastor. Doesn't really matter. Trump is taking action and that action is having an effect.
 
Way past that? No. This is what Trump intended. You should know by now that he uses economic pressure and leverage to induce the behavior he wants. As the article shows, the economic pressure is taking effect. It remains to be seen if that pressure induces Turkey to release the American.

Has nothing to do with that idiot American. This has been in the making long before Trump and Trump and the religious right are just trying to exploit this to get a possible criminal out of Turkey.

Correct. As horrid as this is for the Turkish people, the economic state is of Erdogan's own economic policy making. It's actually quite interesting how often it occurs that despots fail to grasp basic economic knowledge or even follow the advice of their economic policy experts.

Erdogan is obsessed with "growth" and “progress,” which he literally sees as the completion of massive government-backed infrastructure projects. To be fair those project have actually been a significant part of his electoral success, and the Turkish economy’s gone into red-hot GDP growth over drive because of it. We're talking hundreds of billions spent on railroads, bridges, airports, tunnels and even a new national space agency. All of it financed on government debt and speculative future tax revenue cash inflows.

But a couple of issues have developed mid-2017 and into 2018 because of that, which are (1) a decrease in foreign capital investment inflows, (2) an exploding inflation rate due to the GDP growth and the overheated economy, (3) exponentially growing fees to service the government’s debt, (4) Turkey’s credit rating plummeting to junk status due to (2) and(3), and (5) vast market devaluation of the Turkish lira due to all of the previous 1-4 issues.

As a structural issue to add to all of those, the financial news sources tell me that Turkey has always long suffered from low savings rates and excessive corporate/individual borrowing.

Now Erdogan, as Turkey’s new micro-managing all powerful dictator, has done exactly all of the wrong things in response. He’s double-down on the government expenditures. He’s interfered with the Turkish central bank’s policies, refusing to allow them to increase interest rates or pull back the easy money policies … labelling it “treason” and against Islamic values. After this most recent election, Erdogan then fired his Deputy Prime Minister (an economist) in favor of his son-in-law. And as the lira has entered free-fall Erdogan’s trying to ban the after-marketing trading and it will absolutely not surprise me if the government starts to try to manipulate the currency.

Turkey's economy is beginning to crumble, but it yet has a long way to fall if Erdogan and the Turkish government continues to remain in power and demonstrate garbage economic leadership.
 
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Does not Turkey have the right to control its airspace and its territorial waters?

That depends on what Turkey agreed to when they joined NATO and allowed a US military base with US nuclear weapons into their country.
 
Trust in Allah and give up your gold ... Erdogan's advise to his people ... (grin)

"... Speaking in the Black Sea privince of Rize late on Thursday, Mr Erdogan told supporters: "There are various campaigns being carried out. Don't heed them.

"Don't forget, if they have their dollars, we have our people, our God. We are working hard. Look at what we were 16 years ago and look at us now."

... Last week, Mr Erdogan urged Turks to exchange gold and other currency for lira in a effort to boost its value."


https://news.sky.com/story/recep-tayyip-erdogan-tells-turkey-to-trust-in-god-as-lira-falls-11468293


Idiot.
 
As I said...he uses economic pressure and leverage to induce the behavior he wants. His increased sanctions...affecting the banking industry...are indeed having an effect no matter what problems already exist.

Yes he is in part triggering a problem that there was already there..... who needs enemies with allies like this? And over a ****ing preacher? Pathetic. This has Pence all over it.

Now...you may have your own opinion on whether that pastor is a criminal or not. Trump has HIS opinion. Perhaps you disagree with him about the pastor. Doesn't really matter. Trump is taking action and that action is having an effect.

He is charged with serious crimes in Turkey.. and the US should respect that. You dont seem to understand the amount of non-Americans charged with serious crimes in the US, and yet we dont go around attacking the US over it... maybe we should, since the US justice system is about as fair as the Turkish.

And Trump has no opinion.. he is an old man with anger issues that is suffering from dementia and is a total puppet of whoever he happens to be listening too on the day.
 
Yes he is in part triggering a problem that there was already there..... who needs enemies with allies like this? And over a ****ing preacher? Pathetic. This has Pence all over it.



He is charged with serious crimes in Turkey.. and the US should respect that. You dont seem to understand the amount of non-Americans charged with serious crimes in the US, and yet we dont go around attacking the US over it... maybe we should, since the US justice system is about as fair as the Turkish.

And Trump has no opinion.. he is an old man with anger issues that is suffering from dementia and is a total puppet of whoever he happens to be listening too on the day.

Speaking to reporters at the end of the hearing, the United States' top diplomat in Turkey expressed disappointment.

"I have read the indictment. I have attended three hearings. I don't believe there is any indication that Pastor Brunson is guilty of any sort of criminal or terrorist activity," said Philip Kosnett, the U.S. Embassy charge d'affaires. "Our government remains deeply concerned about his status."

Kosnett added: "We have great faith in the commitment of the Turkish people to justice and will follow this case closely and hope that Pastor Brunson is reunited with his family soon."

https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/...inst-US-pastor-resumes-in-Turkey-13084285.php

It appears Trump believes his people and has decided to take action.

Who needs allies when they don't mind using American citizens as pawns.

I commend Trump for taking action to protect innocent Americans.
 
Yes he is in part triggering a problem that there was already there..... who needs enemies with allies like this? And over a ****ing preacher? Pathetic. This has Pence all over it.
He is charged with serious crimes in Turkey.. and the US should respect that. You dont seem to understand the amount of non-Americans charged with serious crimes in the US, and yet we dont go around attacking the US over it... maybe we should, since the US justice system is about as fair as the Turkish.

And Trump has no opinion.. he is an old man with anger issues that is suffering from dementia and is a total puppet of whoever he happens to be listening too on the day.



Of course he's charged with serious crimes (grin) - he preaches Christianity in a Muslim country, and has been doing so for the last 23 years.

After the staged coup 2 years ago, Erdogan and his minions arrested everyone they considered a thorn in their Muslim dictatorship.
According to CNN: More than 110,000 people have been detained in the post-coup crackdown; nearly 50,000 of them have been arrested on specific charges, according to Turkey's Ministry of Interior.
25 journalists were sent to jail.
 
The point is that the way Trump is dealing with allies and adversaries and with tariffs is lunacy...sheer lunacy.

One of these weeks I expect Bozo the President to announce the following: "Lets see....well lets put an extra 5% on steel and another 3% on alum with France annnnnnnnd how about another 6 no 7% on steel annnnnnnnnnnnd 4% on alum with Germany! Hows that."

"Won't work Bozo I mean Mr President. They are both in the EU trading block."

"Don't tell me what I can't do...doing it anyway"

"Sigh"
 
Of course he's charged with serious crimes (grin) - he preaches Christianity in a Muslim country, and has been doing so for the last 23 years.

After the staged coup 2 years ago, Erdogan and his minions arrested everyone they considered a thorn in their Muslim dictatorship.
According to CNN: More than 110,000 people have been detained in the post-coup crackdown; nearly 50,000 of them have been arrested on specific charges, according to Turkey's Ministry of Interior.
25 journalists were sent to jail.

I would generally expect a lot of arrests to be made after a failed coup attempt. Normally anyone involved would likely be arrested don't you think. Even those who were just providing some assistance would be looked at.
 
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