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The Left Behind: Decline and Rage in Rural America

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The Left Behind: Decline and Rage in Rural America is a book in which Robert Wuthnow's answers three questions:
  • What is fueling rural America's outrage toward the federal government?
  • Why did rural Americans vote overwhelmingly for Donald Trump?
  • Beyond economic and demographic decline, is there a more nuanced explanation for the growing rural-urban divide?
In summary, his answer is that rural Americans care less about economic issues and more about political Washington's initiatives which rural Americans see as denuding the social fabric of small towns and eroding morally the country.

Of course, that observation is merely what Wuthnow notes based on interviews he conducted between 2006 and 2014 with people in rural towns -- fewer than 25K people and not proximate to suburbs or cities -- in every state. The feedback is what it is and there's no reason to think what Wuthnow relates is anything other than what he was told. The thing is, the responses strike me as provincially myopic, at best.

To wit, why the hell would one trepidatious about a diminution of moral fiber, knowing his character, accord approbation to Trump? Repeatedly, we hear conservative voters say they knew Trump to be cad/cur yet they voted for him. How does one do that while knowing too that a POTUS is necessarily defines the cultural mores of moral and comportmental normality? The responses Wuthnow obtained are what the folks said, but what they said just doesn't make sense. The concerns, though they may be legitimate, don't align with the political solution option chosen as a means to assuaging them.

Then there is matter of rural America's angst/anger issuing from a perception that political Washington existentially threatens pastoral life. Well, how, specifically, does Washington do so?

Washington does no such thing. Where does one see Washington's having mandated that small towns become bustling metropolises with the trappings thereunto? Nowhere; literally nowhere. Rural Americans rightly or wrongly have developed a sense that some things are amiss and from that form and propagate a canard borne of xenophobia and racism that allows them to ascribe the blame for all those ills to others. They misbelieve that Washington has immense power over their lives. Furthermore, they recognize that the federal government controls vast resources and feel threatened upon seeing Washington direct a measure of interest toward urban areas, immigrants, or minority populations. Somehow that observation becomes not "Washington is helping those people too," but rather "Washington is helping those people instead" of the traditional white Anglo population.
Do rural Americans bother obtaining this information? Apparently not. It's, I suppose, no wonder, then, that they cleave to those fictions. The sentiments simply are what they are: racism and cultural resentment, and calling them a manifestation of some deeper anxiety, as Wuthnow's respondents did, doesn’t alter that fact.

Lastly, they think they've been abandoned. BS! The U.S. is not the land of bridling and draggin anyone along for the ride. If anything, they’ve chosen not to keep up and in doing so subsumed a victim's mindset. They had choices and they made one. It’s not as though these people ache to leave and can’t. They understand their communities' problems, but they like knowing their neighbors, the slow pace of life and living in place that feels small and closed. Maybe they’re making the best of a bad situation, but reason notwithstanding, there they remain.

They construe themselves as being left behind because, in fact, they are the ones in their family and in their social networks who are still there. Most of the people interviewed for the book grew up in the small town they live in, or another nearby one. Often their children have already left, either to college or in search of a better job somewhere else. In that sense, they believe, quite correctly, that they’re the ones who stayed in rural towns while young people -- and really the country as a whole -- moved on.
 

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The Left Behind: Decline and Rage in Rural America is a book in which Robert Wuthnow's answers three questions:
  • What is fueling rural America's outrage toward the federal government?
  • Why did rural Americans vote overwhelmingly for Donald Trump?
  • Beyond economic and demographic decline, is there a more nuanced explanation for the growing rural-urban divide?
In summary, his answer is that rural Americans care less about economic issues and more about political Washington's initiatives which rural Americans see as denuding the social fabric of small towns and eroding morally the country.

Of course, that observation is merely what Wuthnow notes based on interviews he conducted between 2006 and 2014 with people in rural towns -- fewer than 25K people and not proximate to suburbs or cities -- in every state. The feedback is what it is and there's no reason to think what Wuthnow relates is anything other than what he was told. The thing is, the responses strike me as provincially myopic, at best.

To wit, why the hell would one trepidatious about a diminution of moral fiber, knowing his character, accord approbation to Trump? Repeatedly, we hear conservative voters say they knew Trump to be cad/cur yet they voted for him. How does one do that while knowing too that a POTUS is necessarily defines the cultural mores of moral and comportmental normality? The responses Wuthnow obtained are what the folks said, but what they said just doesn't make sense. The concerns, though they may be legitimate, don't align with the political solution option chosen as a means to assuaging them.

Then there is matter of rural America's angst/anger issuing from a perception that political Washington existentially threatens pastoral life. Well, how, specifically, does Washington do so?

Washington does no such thing. Where does one see Washington's having mandated that small towns become bustling metropolises with the trappings thereunto? Nowhere; literally nowhere. Rural Americans rightly or wrongly have developed a sense that some things are amiss and from that form and propagate a canard borne of xenophobia and racism that allows them to ascribe the blame for all those ills to others. They misbelieve that Washington has immense power over their lives. Furthermore, they recognize that the federal government controls vast resources and feel threatened upon seeing Washington direct a measure of interest toward urban areas, immigrants, or minority populations. Somehow that observation becomes not "Washington is helping those people too," but rather "Washington is helping those people instead" of the traditional white Anglo population.
Do rural Americans bother obtaining this information? Apparently not. It's, I suppose, no wonder, then, that they cleave to those fictions. The sentiments simply are what they are: racism and cultural resentment, and calling them a manifestation of some deeper anxiety, as Wuthnow's respondents did, doesn’t alter that fact.

Lastly, they think they've been abandoned. BS! The U.S. is not the land of bridling and draggin anyone along for the ride. If anything, they’ve chosen not to keep up and in doing so subsumed a victim's mindset. They had choices and they made one. It’s not as though these people ache to leave and can’t. They understand their communities' problems, but they like knowing their neighbors, the slow pace of life and living in place that feels small and closed. Maybe they’re making the best of a bad situation, but reason notwithstanding, there they remain.

They construe themselves as being left behind because, in fact, they are the ones in their family and in their social networks who are still there. Most of the people interviewed for the book grew up in the small town they live in, or another nearby one. Often their children have already left, either to college or in search of a better job somewhere else. In that sense, they believe, quite correctly, that they’re the ones who stayed in rural towns while young people -- and really the country as a whole -- moved on.

I hope the Democrats continue to take this dismissive and condescending attitude toward them. I really do.
 
I hope the Democrats continue to take this dismissive and condescending attitude toward them. I really do.

"Shut up and die!" sure got folks attention.....that and "Christianity is a hate group and needs to be treated as such".
 
I hope the Democrats continue to take this dismissive and condescending attitude toward them. I really do.

Not to mention that this article stinks of intellectual mumbo jumbo.. Way to much use of big words and extended sentences.. Also, am I the only one that caught that the survey data was collected from 2006 and up to 2014? How then, can the data be correlated in any way to Trump's Presidency, or was the author speculating? It's unclear as the article itself is difficult to read with it's pompous tone.

But you're right, keep up the good work democrats..


Tim-
 
I hope the Democrats continue to take this dismissive and condescending attitude toward them. I really do.

I hope people, of all political persuasions, bother to observe and recognize the world in they live and its inexorable transformation and, in turn, "get on board" rather than railing against the advancement of the train. The opportunities are continually presented; take them, or at least one or some of them. This is the "digital age," after all. One can live "in the middle of nowhere" and also develop a very fruitful business that reaches well beyond the locality in which it's founded/formed.
 
Not to mention that this article stinks of intellectual mumbo jumbo.. Way to much use of big words and extended sentences.. Also, am I the only one that caught that the survey data was collected from 2006 and up to 2014? How then, can the data be correlated in any way to Trump's Presidency, or was the author speculating? It's unclear as the article itself is difficult to read with it's pompous tone.

But you're right, keep up the good work democrats..


Tim-

I'm not even concerned so much with the article as with what the OP himself said. I really do hope that's what the Democrats campaign on.
 
I hope people, of all political persuasions, bother to observe and recognize the world in they live and its inexorable transformation and, in turn, "get on board" rather than railing against the advancement of the train. The opportunities are continually presented; take them, or at least one or some of them. This is the "digital age," after all. One can live "in the middle of nowhere" and also develop a very fruitful business that reaches well beyond the locality in which it's founded/formed.

Great. I very much hope that the Democrats are as condescending and dismissive toward those people as you are.

"Vote for us, you stupid rubes!" Say it loud, say it proud. As much as possible.
 
Not to mention that this article stinks of intellectual mumbo jumbo.. Way to much use of big words and extended sentences..

I agree with that. Beyond that, it's crap thinking.

Rural Americans have good reason to feel screwed, but our crap education system leaves them without the tools to understand what and who is screwing them.
 
I agree with that. Beyond that, it's crap thinking.

Rural Americans have good reason to feel screwed, but our crap education system leaves them without the tools to understand what and who is screwing them.


I wouldn't bank on that; that's what Hillary did, and look what it got her.. ;)

Tim-
 
Not to mention that this article stinks of intellectual mumbo jumbo.. Way to much use of big words and extended sentences.. Also, am I the only one that caught that the survey data was collected from 2006 and up to 2014? How then, can the data be correlated in any way to Trump's Presidency, or was the author speculating? It's unclear as the article itself is difficult to read with it's pompous tone.

But you're right, keep up the good work democrats..


Tim-

Red:
Seriously?

Do you truly not see how the conceptions developed in eight of the ten years prior to the 2016 election frame the mindset of voters in that election?



Blue:
I wrote that essay making sure that it was easily accessible to high school grads.

Upon seeing your "blue" remark I checked it against a readability tool. The tool shows the OP is written at about an 11[SUP]th[/SUP] to 12[SUP]th[/SUP] grade reading level, or as a different tool put it, "It should be easily understood by 16 to 17 year olds." Are you 16 or older?
 
I wouldn't bank on that; that's what Hillary did, and look what it got her..

Hillary was a lousy politician that was carrying the baggage of decades of looney tunes propaganda attacks. She also had to deal with Comey, and the Russians.

Take any one of those out of the equation, and she would have won.
 
The Left Behind: Decline and Rage in Rural America is a book in which Robert Wuthnow's answers three questions:
  • What is fueling rural America's outrage toward the federal government?
  • Why did rural Americans vote overwhelmingly for Donald Trump?
  • Beyond economic and demographic decline, is there a more nuanced explanation for the growing rural-urban divide?
In summary, his answer is that rural Americans care less about economic issues and more about political Washington's initiatives which rural Americans see as denuding the social fabric of small towns and eroding morally the country.....

Yep. This matches the surveys in one of the articles I posted recently, showing that most Trump supporters are not concerned with the economy as much as they are "cultural war" issues: abortion, gays, guns, god, etc.

I have no idea what the thread title was, but I remember a line I wrote (I doubt it's the title): "It's not the economy, Stupid."
 
Great. I very much hope that the Democrats are as condescending and dismissive toward those people as you are.

"Vote for us, you stupid rubes!" Say it loud, say it proud. As much as possible.

Red:
The italicized portion of the "red" sentence is something you've said, not something I've wrote or implied.

What I wrote and was quite clear about is that the notions Wuthnow's interviewees expressed make no sense for they are incongruous with what would be a rational tack taken to abate the concerns they said they have.
Why the hell would one trepidatious about a diminution of moral fiber, knowing his character, accord approbation to Trump? Repeatedly, we hear conservative voters say they knew Trump to be cad/cur yet they voted for him. How does one do that while knowing too that a POTUS is necessarily defines the cultural mores of moral and comportmental normality? The responses Wuthnow obtained are what the folks said, but what they said just doesn't make sense. The concerns, though they may be legitimate, don't align with the political solution option chosen as a means to assuaging them.

I also wrote that the interviewees' perceptions of the circumstance, in particular the economic one and that of how Washington abets their needs, of white Americans doesn't comport with reality, and I provided links to three credible and methodologically traceable sources showing that to be so.


Going forward, please refrain from imparting to my remarks meaning that isn't in them extant. I'm willing to discuss the topic with you, but I'm not going to persist in defending against misrepresentations of what I wrote.
 
Red:
The italicized portion of the "red" sentence is something you've said, not something I've wrote or implied.

You very much did at least imply it:

Do rural Americans bother obtaining this information? Apparently not. It's, I suppose, no wonder, then, that they cleave to those fictions.

You even did it again in this post:

I also wrote that the interviewees' perceptions of the circumstance, in particular the economic one and that of how Washington abets their needs, of white Americans doesn't comport with reality, and I provided links to three credible and methodologically traceable sources showing that to be so.

It doesn't matter what you believe the "reality" to be. It matters that you're so condescending about it.

I'm sure what you believe yourself to be saying is that they need to be made to understand that they're "voting against their interests," which is another demeaning and presumptuous theme I hope is employed by Democrats as widely as possible.


Going forward, please refrain from imparting to my remarks meaning that isn't in them extant. I'm willing to discuss the topic with you, but I'm not going to persist in defending against misrepresentations of what I wrote.

I'm not sure what there is to discuss, really. You're being dismissive of an entire demographic because of the way they voted. I'm not out to change your mind. In fact, I stated quite plainly that I encourage you and your fellow-traveling Democrats to keep it up, and to revel in it as often as possible.

I especially like your pull-yourselves-up-by-your-bootstraps advice:

I hope people, of all political persuasions, bother to observe and recognize the world in they live and its inexorable transformation and, in turn, "get on board" rather than railing against the advancement of the train. The opportunities are continually presented; take them, or at least one or some of them. This is the "digital age," after all. One can live "in the middle of nowhere" and also develop a very fruitful business that reaches well beyond the locality in which it's founded/formed.

That should play as well for Democrats as it does for Republicans when they say the same about other demographic groups.
 
I wouldn't bank on that; that's what Hillary did, and look what it got her.. ;)

Tim-

Red:
I think you see the issue as one of politics. I don't. I see it as a people matter.

Where/what Hillary got or didn't isn't the point. The point is that the country in which we live is necessarily changing -- that it is has been a given since the day it was formed -- and each of us, because we cannot stop the change ("the rain," as it were), has two choices: resist, bitch, moan play the victim, and remain "behind," or get on board, thrive and "roll with the changes." Multiple approaches exist for either tack, but those are the course offerings from which one may choose.

Frankly, my issue isn't with which tack one takes; it's with one's taking either and doing so while cleaving to canards that one, in turn, proffers as the basis for so hewing.
 
The Left Behind: Decline and Rage in Rural America is a book in which Robert Wuthnow's answers three questions:
  • What is fueling rural America's outrage toward the federal government?
  • Why did rural Americans vote overwhelmingly for Donald Trump?
  • Beyond economic and demographic decline, is there a more nuanced explanation for the growing rural-urban divide?
In summary, his answer is that rural Americans care less about economic issues and more about political Washington's initiatives which rural Americans see as denuding the social fabric of small towns and eroding morally the country.

Of course, that observation is merely what Wuthnow notes based on interviews he conducted between 2006 and 2014 with people in rural towns -- fewer than 25K people and not proximate to suburbs or cities -- in every state. The feedback is what it is and there's no reason to think what Wuthnow relates is anything other than what he was told. The thing is, the responses strike me as provincially myopic, at best.

To wit, why the hell would one trepidatious about a diminution of moral fiber, knowing his character, accord approbation to Trump? Repeatedly, we hear conservative voters say they knew Trump to be cad/cur yet they voted for him. How does one do that while knowing too that a POTUS is necessarily defines the cultural mores of moral and comportmental normality? The responses Wuthnow obtained are what the folks said, but what they said just doesn't make sense. The concerns, though they may be legitimate, don't align with the political solution option chosen as a means to assuaging them.

Then there is matter of rural America's angst/anger issuing from a perception that political Washington existentially threatens pastoral life. Well, how, specifically, does Washington do so?

Washington does no such thing. Where does one see Washington's having mandated that small towns become bustling metropolises with the trappings thereunto? Nowhere; literally nowhere. Rural Americans rightly or wrongly have developed a sense that some things are amiss and from that form and propagate a canard borne of xenophobia and racism that allows them to ascribe the blame for all those ills to others. They misbelieve that Washington has immense power over their lives. Furthermore, they recognize that the federal government controls vast resources and feel threatened upon seeing Washington direct a measure of interest toward urban areas, immigrants, or minority populations. Somehow that observation becomes not "Washington is helping those people too," but rather "Washington is helping those people instead" of the traditional white Anglo population.
Do rural Americans bother obtaining this information? Apparently not. It's, I suppose, no wonder, then, that they cleave to those fictions. The sentiments simply are what they are: racism and cultural resentment, and calling them a manifestation of some deeper anxiety, as Wuthnow's respondents did, doesn’t alter that fact.

Lastly, they think they've been abandoned. BS! The U.S. is not the land of bridling and draggin anyone along for the ride. If anything, they’ve chosen not to keep up and in doing so subsumed a victim's mindset. They had choices and they made one. It’s not as though these people ache to leave and can’t. They understand their communities' problems, but they like knowing their neighbors, the slow pace of life and living in place that feels small and closed. Maybe they’re making the best of a bad situation, but reason notwithstanding, there they remain.

They construe themselves as being left behind because, in fact, they are the ones in their family and in their social networks who are still there. Most of the people interviewed for the book grew up in the small town they live in, or another nearby one. Often their children have already left, either to college or in search of a better job somewhere else. In that sense, they believe, quite correctly, that they’re the ones who stayed in rural towns while young people -- and really the country as a whole -- moved on.

Maybe they see a different source of solutions to economic issues, but that they do care about economic issues.
 
Maybe they see a different source of solutions to economic issues, but that they do care about economic issues.

Maybe, but that isn't the nature of the input they gave Wuthnow when they spoke with him. They said what they said. One either takes them at their word or one doesn't. I have accepted as truthful their depictions of their mindsets about how they construe themselves, their situation and the world in which we live.
 
Maybe, but that isn't the nature of the input they gave Wuthnow when they spoke with him. They said what they said. One either takes them at their word or one doesn't. I have accepted as truthful their depictions of their mindsets about how they construe themselves, their situation and the world in which we live.

We read the same abstract and came up with different conclusions: "We hear from farmers who want government out of their business,"
 
There are rural communities in every state. Cultural resentment is certainly a big part of rural people voting red, but there is a large serving of actual economic anger in those "blue wall" states that flipped. Trump took a dump on free trade and dug his heels into the culture war. Those two things proved to be a winning combination. I don't buy into the idea that they have simply failed to keep up. Look at all of the jobs lost in these areas over the years. They have been fighting from a disadvantage for a very long time.
 
Your post well supports the contention that these folks are where they are because they want to be there. Nobody is dragging them into some city where they would prefer not to live. Therefore, it makes logical sense that their angst is based on not allowing those that don't agree with them to have their place in America. The natural extension of that is they want to turn the clock back to America's pastoral past!!!! Give me a break. Talk about a bunch of selfish asshats.

I will make a deal with them. I won't stop them from hanging out with their corn stalk if they will let me hang out with my diverse, urban and cosmopolitan friends. But of course there answer would be NO. " NO Your diverse, urban and cosmopolitan friends are too attractive and my brood might be drawn to them."

I am losing my patience with this bunch.
 
We read the same abstract and came up with different conclusions: "We hear from farmers who want government out of their business,"

Don't go binary with that. It's not an "either-or," but rather a "more so 'this' than 'that.'" The central thesis is that rural people are upset at the national government not mainly because of economic fears, but because they perceive their way of life being threatened, most notably the moral fiber of the country in general and of their communities in particular. To be sure, however, rural Americans are, per Wuthnow, irked over elements deriving from both foundings.

Remember, rubric giving rise to my OP is a book, and, quite frankly, I didn't feel like writing a multi-post OP to discuss it. Accordingly, I briefly addressed what struck me as the incongruity between the overarching cultural disaffection theme rural Americans with whom Wuthnow spoke expressed and the qualities exhibited by the person whom they chose to champion the attenuation of the threats to their way of life.

I remarked also upon the lacuna between the core economic status they voiced and their conceptions about Washington's economic expenditures and initiatives. There again what I find striking is the dichotomy among rural Americans' perceptions, observations, beliefs and reality. Rural folks to Wuthnow detailed many problems they face and their vexation with Washington, yet when questioned, they conceded the aptness and importance of federal programs. Moreover, amid Washington's apparent aloofness and impotence, the pragmatism of rural people often “turns to local and regional solutions and to economic development projects, state government initiatives, and technological innovation.”

Whereas Wuthnow merely says "this is what they said," I'm remarking on the nature and rationality of the cognition that allows one to hold the expressed notions -- cultural and/or economic -- and yet also comport oneself while doing so. Say what you will, but it makes no sense that one'd see and accept as so X, Y and Z yet hold a philosophical stance concomitant with neither X, Y nor Z. Yet that's exactly what the people whom Wuthnow interviewed have done.

How or why does one, a material segment of the population even, come to do that? I don't know -- and to some extent I'm indifferent about how -- but I know its deplorable that one makes it into adulthood sincerely espousing and voting in accordance with a paradigmatic perspective based on an incoherence among conclusions and predicates. I don't need to know how one got there to know that one's articulated premises, inferences and conclusions are invalid, don't "line up," etc...whatever terminology one prefers. That they don't is what I've remarked upon.
 
Hillary was a lousy politician that was carrying the baggage of decades of looney tunes propaganda attacks. She also had to deal with Comey, and the Russians.

Take any one of those out of the equation, and she would have won.

In my mind, nothing sealed her fate as much as the Basket of Deplorables speech.
 
Your post well supports the contention that these folks are where they are because they want to be there. Nobody is dragging them into some city where they would prefer not to live. Therefore, it makes logical sense that their angst is based on not allowing those that don't agree with them to have their place in America. The natural extension of that is they want to turn the clock back to America's pastoral past!!!! Give me a break. Talk about a bunch of selfish asshats.

I will make a deal with them. I won't stop them from hanging out with their corn stalk if they will let me hang out with my diverse, urban and cosmopolitan friends. But of course there answer would be NO. " NO Your diverse, urban and cosmopolitan friends are too attractive and my brood might be drawn to them."

I am losing my patience with this bunch.

Please keep using this rhetoric. This is magic for the midterms.
 
Trumputin spoke to the low IQ folkish people of the rural areas in a manner that they do not usually hear from a presidential candidate; that being stupid.
 
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