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War On Cops = Decline in Police Protection

Vox

Vox

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These well-intentioned "Activists" do not understand the law. They are not well-educated and do not realize that the officers acted correctly. Someone......somehow.......must educate them.
They do great harm in that they will cause

1. A decrease in response to black areas, and

2. Many good police officers will just retire or transfer out and

3. Talented applicants will NOT apply for jobs where they are required to deal with blacks......thus police forces (at least in black areas) will gradually deteriorate and be far less effective in dealing with crime.

https://kstp.com/news/activists-call-mayor-chief-fire-officers-blevins-shooting/5016822/?cat=1

Family members and activists called on Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey and Police Chief Medaria Arradondo to fire the two officers involved in the shooting death of 31-year-old Thurman Blevins.

They called for action Friday during a press conference at the Minneapolis City Hall.
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As Mr. Justice Brandeis noted a century ago, the law will be respected when it is respectable.

So too, the enforcers of the law will be respected when they act in a respectable manner.
 
Vox said:
These well-intentioned "Activists" do not understand the law. They are not well-educated and do not realize that the officers acted correctly. Someone......somehow.......must educate them.
They do great harm in that they will cause

1. A decrease in response to black areas, and

2. Many good police officers will just retire or transfer out and

3. Talented applicants will NOT apply for jobs where they are required to deal with blacks......thus police forces (at least in black areas) will gradually deteriorate and be far less effective in dealing with crime.

https://kstp.com/news/activists-call-mayor-chief-fire-officers-blevins-shooting/5016822/?cat=1
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If they can't handle the job then we don't want them there :shrug: It's a hard job that requires dedicated people.
 
It’s cyclic. The trends are not good recently but we’ve been here before, probably too early to sound alarms.
 
Deuce said:
If they can't handle the job then we don't want them there :shrug: It's a hard job that requires dedicated people.
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pictured what happens when police dont police an area

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Crovax said:
pictured what happens when police dont police an area

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Of course a right winger would interpret that statement as "we don't want police to exist" :lamo
 
Deuce said:
Of course a right winger would interpret that statement as "we don't want police to exist" :lamo
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Only a left winger winger would be moronic to claim that a policeman is unable to do his job if he uses deadly force :shrug:
 
Crovax said:
Only a left winger winger would be moronic to claim that a policeman is unable to do his job if he uses deadly force :shrug:
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If he uses deadly force when unnecessary? Uhh, yeah. Absolutely.
 
Deuce said:
If they can't handle the job then we don't want them there :shrug: It's a hard job that requires dedicated people.
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You're making the same mistake as the "Activists."

The cops are obviously doing a good job.....but if you drive them out you will have a deteriorating quality of police officers.

Even the ones that stick it out and stay on the job will be reluctant to respond to certain calls in black areas.

Get it now?
 
Deuce said:
Of course a right winger would interpret that statement as "we don't want police to exist" :lamo
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Or alternatively anyone might interpret that statement as "we don't want over-militarized police to exist."
 
Deuce said:
If he uses deadly force when unnecessary? Uhh, yeah. Absolutely.
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which an extreme rare event and hardly a reason to claim that all police arent wanted in an area
 
DaveFagan said:
Or alternatively anyone might interpret that statement as "we don't want over-militarized police to exist."
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yes the 1920s were such an awesome time when the outlaws outgunned to police
 
DaveFagan said:
Or alternatively anyone might interpret that statement as "we don't want over-militarized police to exist."
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Police must have equipment that keeps them safe. If some is old military equipment, so be it......some "Activists" just don't want the police to be safe.

That is a reprehensible attitude.
 
Vox said:
You're making the same mistake as the "Activists."

The cops are obviously doing a good job.....but if you drive them out you will have a deteriorating quality of police officers.

Even the ones that stick it out and stay on the job will be reluctant to respond to certain calls in black areas.

Get it now?
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I haven't driven anyone out. Bad cops need to get kicked off the force. Why would you object to that?
 
Deuce said:
I haven't driven anyone out. Bad cops need to get kicked off the force. Why would you object to that?
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Read the ARTICLE.

The "Activists" are demanding that GOOD cops be fired.
 
Vox said:
Police must have equipment that keeps them safe. If some is old military equipment, so be it......some "Activists" just don't want the police to be safe.

That is a reprehensible attitude.
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WRONG! The police must have equipment that keeps the people safe. Under present conditions, too many innocents are being shot by POLICE. It's the new "I feared for my life," and center mass indoctrination. "I feared for my life" is just their get out of jail free card and not justification for any and all police shootings.
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Vox said:
These well-intentioned "Activists" do not understand the law. They are not well-educated and do not realize that the officers acted correctly. Someone......somehow.......must educate them.
They do great harm in that they will cause

1. A decrease in response to black areas, and

2. Many good police officers will just retire or transfer out and

3. Talented applicants will NOT apply for jobs where they are required to deal with blacks......thus police forces (at least in black areas) will gradually deteriorate and be far less effective in dealing with crime.

https://kstp.com/news/activists-call-mayor-chief-fire-officers-blevins-shooting/5016822/?cat=1
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I see no indication that anti police 'activists' are well-intentioned. They seek anarchy and the collapse of civil order to provide opportunities for the left to gain power.
 
Vox said:
Police must have equipment that keeps them safe. If some is old military equipment, so be it......some "Activists" just don't want the police to be safe.

That is a reprehensible attitude.
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In most cases the equipment is overkill and used incorrectly by people who were never trained to use it. Police officers are not soldiers. A small town does not need an APC, and a large metropolitan area does not need one beyond one for a SWAT team, maybe. Not to mention it removes any ability of the police officers to be seen as serving the community rather than oppressing it.
 
Vox said:
Read the ARTICLE.

The "Activists" are demanding that GOOD cops be fired.
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No, they are not.

They are demanding cops you perceive to be good to be fired.

The validity of your perception isn't relevant. They perceive the cops to be bad cops. They perceive a culture of violence and overuse of force in the police. They are not suggesting good cops be fired, they are suggesting violent cops be fired. You can argue specifics about specific cases, but don't misrepresent their goals.
 
Vox said:
These well-intentioned "Activists" do not understand the law. They are not well-educated and do not realize that the officers acted correctly. Someone......somehow.......must educate them.
They do great harm in that they will cause

1. A decrease in response to black areas, and

2. Many good police officers will just retire or transfer out and

3. Talented applicants will NOT apply for jobs where they are required to deal with blacks......thus police forces (at least in black areas) will gradually deteriorate and be far less effective in dealing with crime.

https://kstp.com/news/activists-call-mayor-chief-fire-officers-blevins-shooting/5016822/?cat=1
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Clearly the officer did the right thing in a war on criminality sense.

That is the sense that the police have in the USA.

It misses most of the point of how to police the real world.

In 1829 the UK introduced police into an armed society. Lots of guns and swords. They were armed only with a trunchion which was deliberately concealed in a special pocket. They wore black because thatwas the colour of servants.

Today the conversation about how society is regulated/controled/policed/ordered is, in America, dominated by principals of law about rights. Often gun rights.

That's not how humans think mostly. We are highly socialised and buullshiitty chimpansees. ( sorry mods I could not think of a better word ).

If the police officer had been wearing high-vis-yellow, had been tasked with the objective of first finding out what was happening rather than stopping it, had been educated during his training that the public, all of them, even the bad ones, were collectively his boss, he would have been far more ready to hold back, allow the man to run away and sort out the problem later.

Us humans don't think straight when we are hyped up on hormones. That goes for the police and the guy having a domestic.
 
Vox said:
These well-intentioned "Activists" do not understand the law. They are not well-educated and do not realize that the officers acted correctly. Someone......somehow.......must educate them.
They do great harm in that they will cause

1. A decrease in response to black areas, and

2. Many good police officers will just retire or transfer out and

3. Talented applicants will NOT apply for jobs where they are required to deal with blacks......thus police forces (at least in black areas) will gradually deteriorate and be far less effective in dealing with crime.

https://kstp.com/news/activists-call-mayor-chief-fire-officers-blevins-shooting/5016822/?cat=1
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Right -- depolicing is a "thing." It's been identified and it harms the people who need law enforcement the most.

While local departments may well need to tweak their policies to better deal with the public, in general, cops are pretty decent folks, which is why the chants of "Pigs in a blanket - fry 'em like bacon," are more harmful than helpful. Weak minded people believe the "all cops are bad" thing, and those are typically the people who would most benefit from police responding to calls promptly.
 
Deuce said:
No, they are not.

They are demanding cops you perceive to be good to be fired.

The validity of your perception isn't relevant. They perceive the cops to be bad cops. They perceive a culture of violence and overuse of force in the police. They are not suggesting good cops be fired, they are suggesting violent cops be fired. You can argue specifics about specific cases, but don't misrepresent their goals.
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His mom and sisters are entitled to demand what they will because they need to be loud and angry. OK.

The state and society collectively must look at a reasonable responce.
 
Deuce said:
Of course a right winger would interpret that statement as "we don't want police to exist" :lamo
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What you seem want is equally as realistic. It’s absurd to expect the police, responding to an armed and erratic individual call, to approach a suspect with “excuse me sir. I apologize for the inconvenience but is that a gun in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?”
 
Lutherf said:
What you seem want is equally as realistic. It’s absurd to expect the police, responding to an armed and erratic individual call, to approach a suspect with “excuse me sir. I apologize for the inconvenience but is that a gun in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?”
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And where, exactly, did you get the idea I wanted this absurd scenario you concocted?
 
Lutherf said:
What you seem want is equally as realistic. It’s absurd to expect the police, responding to an armed and erratic individual call, to approach a suspect with “excuse me sir. I apologize for the inconvenience but is that a gun in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?”
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What cracks me up is the armed suspect always runs when cops tell him to stop. This never ends well does it?
 
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