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War On Cops = Decline in Police Protection

Vox said:
Police must have equipment that keeps them safe. If some is old military equipment, so be it......some "Activists" just don't want the police to be safe.

That is a reprehensible attitude.
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There is a difference between being safe and riding around in an armoured tank.

The US police in some parts of the country clearly lack training. They shoot first most of the time and do use or have non leathal methods. This means loads of deaths by police that could so easily have been avoided.

Add to that a clear problem of racism in many police departments and the white community and you have a problem...

Plus there are way too many dirty cops, so the internal policing of the police ain't up to scratch.



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DaveFagan said:
WRONG! The police must have equipment that keeps the people safe. Under present conditions, too many innocents are being shot by POLICE. It's the new "I feared for my life," and center mass indoctrination. "I feared for my life" is just their get out of jail free card and not justification for any and all police shootings.
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That's just silly and totally untrue......plus off topic. The comment was complaining about military equipment.

You seem to be complaining about the normal use of guns.
 
Sweden said:
I see no indication that anti police 'activists' are well-intentioned. They seek anarchy and the collapse of civil order to provide opportunities for the left to gain power.
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That could be true, but just for some of them. Many of them mean well but they're just stupid.
 
Carjosse said:
In most cases the equipment is overkill and used incorrectly by people who were never trained to use it. Police officers are not soldiers. A small town does not need an APC, and a large metropolitan area does not need one beyond one for a SWAT team, maybe. Not to mention it removes any ability of the police officers to be seen as serving the community rather than oppressing it.
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No. The first requirement of serving a community is for cops to stay alive. The military equipment serves that purpose.

Any size community could have an incident requiring a SWAT team or APC.

The APCs are priceless as cover from a shooter and they have saved cops lives.
 
Carjosse said:
In most cases the equipment is overkill and used incorrectly by people who were never trained to use it. Police officers are not soldiers. A small town does not need an APC, and a large metropolitan area does not need one beyond one for a SWAT team, maybe. Not to mention it removes any ability of the police officers to be seen as serving the community rather than oppressing it.
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The biggest change I experienced was the shift from patrol officer policy to one of containment. Patrol officers were well known in the community and could distinguish well intentioned residents from criminals because they patrolled the neighborhood. Once that went away it shifted to police not having the benefit of that kind of information, so everyone was a potential threat versus being seen as someone there to help. As that relationship deteriorated, so did the willingness of the community to help police since they were often the victims of racial profiling. The influx of military surplus and tactics just helped the divide grow even further.
 
Vox said:
These well-intentioned "Activists" do not understand the law. They are not well-educated and do not realize that the officers acted correctly. Someone......somehow.......must educate them.
They do great harm in that they will cause

1. A decrease in response to black areas, and

2. Many good police officers will just retire or transfer out and

3. Talented applicants will NOT apply for jobs where they are required to deal with blacks......thus police forces (at least in black areas) will gradually deteriorate and be far less effective in dealing with crime.

https://kstp.com/news/activists-call-mayor-chief-fire-officers-blevins-shooting/5016822/?cat=1
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We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.
 
Deuce said:
The validity of your perception isn't relevant. They perceive the cops to be bad cops. They perceive a culture of violence and overuse of force in the police. They are not suggesting good cops be fired, they are suggesting violent cops be fired. You can argue specifics about specific cases, but don't misrepresent their goals.
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Read the article.

We're talking about a specific case where the cops have been cleared of any......any wrongdoing.

In point of fact, these cops ran toward the danger to protect the community from a man with a gun.

Far from being violent or in error.......they were heroic in their response.

The "Activists" are simply too stupid (or possibly hateful) to understand that these cops risked their lives to protect the people of that community.

Most have good intentions, but they are simply uninformed......and some, of course, are hateful and refuse to be informed......because it would interfere with their whining.
 
Tim the plumber said:
Clearly the officer did the right thing in a war on criminality sense.

That is the sense that the police have in the USA.

It misses most of the point of how to police the real world.

In 1829 the UK introduced police into an armed society. Lots of guns and swords. They were armed only with a trunchion which was deliberately concealed in a special pocket. They wore black because thatwas the colour of servants.

Today the conversation about how society is regulated/controled/policed/ordered is, in America, dominated by principals of law about rights. Often gun rights.

That's not how humans think mostly. We are highly socialised and buullshiitty chimpansees. ( sorry mods I could not think of a better word ).

If the police officer had been wearing high-vis-yellow, had been tasked with the objective of first finding out what was happening rather than stopping it, had been educated during his training that the public, all of them, even the bad ones, were collectively his boss, he would have been far more ready to hold back, allow the man to run away and sort out the problem later.

Us humans don't think straight when we are hyped up on hormones. That goes for the police and the guy having a domestic.
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That's a silly attempt to blame cops.

The cops did everything right. A very drunk black man was shooting randomly and endangering the community.

Kids are constantly being killed by stray bullets in those troubled neighborhoods. The heroic cops pursued the perp and tried repeatedly to get him to stop running and surrender.

The cops didn't have to "find out" what was going on.......they knew.

And they ran TOWARD the danger and protected the children.
 
Hanky said:
What cracks me up is the armed suspect always runs when cops tell him to stop. This never ends well does it?
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Often it was intended......it's called "Suicide by Cop."

A worthless individual wants to die and intentionally dies at the hands of the police knowing his family will get some cash.
 
PeteEU said:
There is a difference between being safe and riding around in an armoured tank.

The US police in some parts of the country clearly lack training. They shoot first most of the time and do use or have non leathal methods. This means loads of deaths by police that could so easily have been avoided.

Add to that a clear problem of racism in many police departments and the white community and you have a problem...

Plus there are way too many dirty cops, so the internal policing of the police ain't up to scratch.
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Again.......your post is silly and untrue.

Police (97% good)are increasingly encountering hostile fire and when bullets are flying, an armored car is a necessity.

These good men and women deserve it.
 
Vox said:
Read the article.

We're talking about a specific case where the cops have been cleared of any......any wrongdoing.

In point of fact, these cops ran toward the danger to protect the community from a man with a gun.

Far from being violent or in error.......they were heroic in their response.

The "Activists" are simply too stupid (or possibly hateful) to understand that these cops risked their lives to protect the people of that community.

Most have good intentions, but they are simply uninformed......and some, of course, are hateful and refuse to be informed......because it would interfere with their whining.
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Which part of "they have a different perception" is difficult to understand?
 
ElChupacabra said:
The biggest change I experienced was the shift from patrol officer policy to one of containment. Patrol officers were well known in the community and could distinguish well intentioned residents from criminals because they patrolled the neighborhood. Once that went away it shifted to police not having the benefit of that kind of information, so everyone was a potential threat versus being seen as someone there to help. As that relationship deteriorated, so did the willingness of the community to help police since they were often the victims of racial profiling. The influx of military surplus and tactics just helped the divide grow even further.
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I don't know what community YOU'RE talking about, but my community wants cops well-equipped........maybe if you had a BlackLivesMatter riot headed for your street and were hoping the cops would stop them from burning your business you'd feel the same.

It's easy for you to pontificate from an ivory tower, but the real world needs police that are adequately equipped to deal with powerful mobs.
 
Deuce said:
Which part of "they have a different perception" is difficult to understand?
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It's not at all difficult to understand.......like their "perception" you're just wrong.

You (and they) are entitled to your opinions on the law, but you can't make up your own laws.
 
Vox said:
I don't know what community YOU'RE talking about, but my community wants cops well-equipped........maybe if you had a BlackLivesMatter riot headed for your street and were hoping the cops would stop them from burning your business you'd feel the same.

It's easy for you to pontificate from an ivory tower, but the real world needs police that are adequately equipped to deal with powerful mobs.
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:lamo

Having grown up in a NYC neighborhood that was transformed from decent lower middle class to a crime ridden one due to the crack cocaine problem in the late 80s/early 90s. I remembered the benefits of community policing; as a kid I knew the patrol officers because they came to schools, and would pop in to the local businesses to chat the owners and employees. My mother was a business owner so they would come in and chat us up. That changed as policing policies changed, and it went from perceiving them as friends to the ones stopping you and treating you like a criminal for no reason other than your ethnicity. There were many reasons for the changes, one of them being a shift to eliminating the drug dealing, but what was lost was the community relationship that helped police identify and target criminals specifically versus treating everyone like a potential criminal. So is your real world experience similar, or are you the one talking about this issue with only your knowledge of what you see on TV?
 
Vox said:
No. The first requirement of serving a community is for cops to stay alive. The military equipment serves that purpose.

Any size community could have an incident requiring a SWAT team or APC.

The APCs are priceless as cover from a shooter and they have saved cops lives.
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The advent of police having military equipment is only a recent thing, strangely enough they were fine before. Having even small town police heavily armed with armored vehicles is both unnecessary and only fosters the mentality that police are abusive and oppressive because that is what happens when you give them military equipment, many do not even know how to use, because that is what happens. A small town does not need and should not have a SWAT team.
 
Thoreau72 said:
As Mr. Justice Brandeis noted a century ago, the law will be respected when it is respectable.

So too, the enforcers of the law will be respected when they act in a respectable manner.
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We get so tired of hearing about some blacks that get shot by the police, we hear every time that the victim was such a good responsible member of the community, only to find out they have a long criminal history and they either trying to take the gun from an officer or they were pounding someones head into concrete or they were fighting with the police.
You can take the black out of the hood but you can’t take the hood out of the black, sometimes the truth hurts.
A simple yes sir no sir when dealing with police could save lots of blacks.


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Crovax said:
yes the 1920s were such an awesome time when the outlaws outgunned to police
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Blacks have a second amendment right to carry, if they don’t already have a criminal record.


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MrShangles said:
We get so tired of hearing about some blacks that get shot by the police, we hear every time that the victim was such a good responsible member of the community, only to find out they have a long criminal history and they either trying to take the gun from an officer or they were pounding someones head into concrete or they were fighting with the police.
You can take the black out of the hood but you can’t take the hood out of the black, sometimes the truth hurts.
A simple yes sir no sir when dealing with police could save lots of blacks.


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Yes sir and no sir doesn't end racism.
 
ecofarm said:
Yes sir and no sir doesn't end racism.
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No it doesn’t but it might keep a blacks loud mouth from getting shot. They just can’t shut their dang mouth sometimes!


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Thoreau72 said:
As Mr. Justice Brandeis noted a century ago, the law will be respected when it is respectable.

So too, the enforcers of the law will be respected when they act in a respectable manner.
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The overwhelming majority of law enforcement officers are professional and respectable. Hopefully you are not going in on the "Hands up, don't shoot" morons that started all of the anti-police nonsense in Missouri.
 
Vox said:
It's not at all difficult to understand.......like their "perception" you're just wrong.

You (and they) are entitled to your opinions on the law, but you can't make up your own laws.
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You say that, but you're not even actually listening to their perceptions and concerns. You're inventing your own agenda for them and attacking that. Listen to what they actually have to say and respond to that, so far you have not even begun to do so. Until you do, there's just nothing you can say that is worth discussing here.
 
MrShangles said:
No it doesn’t but it might keep a blacks loud mouth from getting shot. They just can’t shut their dang mouth sometimes!
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Yeah, that's the problem. If minorities would just shut up and do what we tell them, there wouldn't be an issue.

What racist scumbaggery.
 
MrShangles said:
No it doesn’t but it might keep a blacks loud mouth from getting shot. They just can’t shut their dang mouth sometimes!


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Is that what your Klan leader told you?
 
ecofarm said:
Yeah, that's the problem. If minorities would just shut up and do what we tell them, there wouldn't be an issue.

What racist scumbaggery.
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You gotta be a liberal, I’m saying anytime Anyone deals with law enforcers you should say yes sir or no sir, maybe you don’t like what they are saying or doing but arguing with them isn’t going to do nothing but escalate things. Or you can run your loud mouth and end up dead or in jail.
A smart person would look at their options. Do what they say and probably go home to your family.
Or be combative and go to jail or die
I consider myself smart so I’ll take the first way.
Which way would you take?


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MrShangles said:
You gotta be a liberal, I’m saying anytime Anyone deals with law enforcers you should say yes sir or no sir, maybe you don’t like what they are saying or doing but arguing with them isn’t going to do nothing but escalate things. Or you can run your loud mouth and end up dead or in jail.
A smart person would look at their options. Do what they say and probably go home to your family.
Or be combative and go to jail or die
I consider myself smart so I’ll take the first way.
Which way would you take?


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That's not the problem. The problem is that racism is systemic and affects our police service. That's what needs to be dealt with, not whatever someone wants to say.

Your support of silencing minorities and your ignoring of the real problem paints a clear picture.
 
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