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“White Fragility” Prevents White Americans from Confronting Racism

TurtleDude said:
well the article you cited seemed to blame white progressives so his point has some merit
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I read it more as WP's had a blind spot which was due to their natural inclination to believe that they were immune to that sort of thing. I see much the same when it comes to misogyny--both gay men and straight progressives share a similar blind spot as the racist stuff mentioned above.

Long story short, I certainly did not read the piece to mean White Progressives are the only racists. But, it is possible that they are the least likely to accept their own racism.
 
After having read more than enough of this woman's work and even having the unfortunate luck of watching recordings of her seminars.

She is nothing but a kook. Either peddling race and identity politics en masse, as this whole white fragility con is nothing but another means to demean people who can easily cut you down in debate. She has failed when faced with actual people to challenge on these assumptions, not to mention it is wholly illogical to believe that only those who are white. Will be the only ones to implode on such a subject at all.

After releasing the book she became largely a laughing stock among the intellectual community for attempting to pander a theory to the social justice crowd. The book she wrote about this was nothing more than an extended opinion piece and she has repeatedly tried to pass it off as truth, or scientific fact.

Unfortunately, she and her work, are a definite product of recent identity politic tropes.
 
calamity said:
Sowell is a hack
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"Hack" implies politically active.

He has never been.

He is just a Black American PHD who has done a lifetime of research. Who has seen and proven that its Leftist Ideology that has caused every major problem cursing the Black community today.
 
Casca XV said:
"Hack" implies politically active.

He has never been.

He is just a Black American PHD who has done a lifetime of research. Who has seen and proven that its Leftist Ideology that has caused every major problem cursing the Black community today.
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He writes exclusively for Right Wing hack sites like Town Hall.
 
calamity said:
He writes exclusively for Right Wing hack sites like Town Hall.
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He writes the truth, which is a requirement of theses so called "Right Wing Hack" sites.

So he should Write for the Left? an Ideology that 100% relies on lies.
 
calamity said:
This article might explain it.

https://www.newyorker.com/books/pag...s-from-confronting-racism?mbid=social_twitter



It's probably worth reading the whole article before commenting.
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That was indeed worth reading and stands as a could example of why bias, politics, and ideology has no place in science. It reads like any Christian intelligent design article. In this case instead of needing faith in a god you need faith in certain ideological and political beliefs. If you do not have that faith in those institutions then Robin DiAngelo sounds like a flat Earther that swears by the crap that she is trying to peddle.
 
Casca XV said:
He writes the truth, which is a requirement of theses so called "Right Wing Hack" sites.

So he should Write for the Left? an Ideology that 100% relies on lies.
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Any site that is biased left or right is just that biased and a complete waste of time for any rational human being.
 
calamity said:
This article might explain it.

https://www.newyorker.com/books/pag...s-from-confronting-racism?mbid=social_twitter



It's probably worth reading the whole article before commenting.
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I didnt read the whole article. Yet. I might, might not.

Because this turned me off and indicated bias right here:

.academic and educator Robin DiAngelo has noticed that white people are sensationally, histrionically bad at discussing racism.
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Er...exactly which races are good at it? And how so?

I am someone that generally agrees that we are still dealing with institutionalized racism in the US but I'm not just buying into something that smacks of its own smugness and hyperbole without foundation.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Any site that is biased left or right is just that biased and a complete waste of time for any rational human being.
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The two sides are not equal when it comes to truths and morality. Todays Right Ideology created America. Although far from perfect it is the greatest most prosperous nation in all human history. Todays Left Ideology killed 150 million people and has created nothing but death and destruction.
 
calamity said:
But, it is possible that they are the least likely to accept their own racism.
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Self awareness is divided evenly among political groups. If being progressive made one self aware, I'd demand everyone become one.
 
calamity said:
This article might explain it.

https://www.newyorker.com/books/pag...s-from-confronting-racism?mbid=social_twitter



It's probably worth reading the whole article before commenting.
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This is why white people refuse to discuss the “race problem”

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There is no right answer to give when questioned about being racist.

If a white person say's that they are not racist, then they are labeled as deniers and liars by certain elements within our society.
 
calamity said:
This article might explain it.

https://www.newyorker.com/books/pag...s-from-confronting-racism?mbid=social_twitter



It's probably worth reading the whole article before commenting.
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While I think she's (mainly) full of baloney, this part was interesting because I've long said that liberals propagate racism with their low expectations of blacks. From the OP link:

“I believe,” she writes, “that white progressives cause the most daily damage to people of color.” Not only do these people fail to see their complicity, but they take a self-serving approach to ongoing anti-racism efforts: “To the degree that white progressives think we have arrived, we will put our energy into making sure that others see us as having arrived.” Even the racial beliefs and responses that feel authentic or well-intentioned have likely been programmed by white supremacy, to perpetuate white supremacy. Whites profit off of an American political and economic system that showers advantages on racial “winners” and oppresses racial “losers.” Yet, DiAngelo writes, white people cling to the notion of racial innocence, a form of weaponized denial that positions black people as the “havers” of race and the guardians of racial knowledge.
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But, that truth aside, I think for the most part she is projecting her own guilt on other whites.

Books like hers do more to promote racism than to soothe it, and while she's certainly entitled to her own opinion -- and, as I said -- I agree with her that progressives are the worst -- I still think she's just another fringe voice that's not really worth studying further.
 
HowardBThiname said:
While I think she's (mainly) full of baloney, this part was interesting because I've long said that liberals propagate racism with their low expectations of blacks. From the OP link:



But, that truth aside, I think for the most part she is projecting her own guilt on other whites.

Books like hers do more to promote racism than to soothe it, and while she's certainly entitled to her own opinion -- and, as I said -- I agree with her that progressives are the worst -- I still think she's just another fringe voice that's not really worth studying further.
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Anything to make buzz that hopefully leads to a reputation and then wealth and power.

Helping America be better is rarely the point anymore.

As I spect you know.
 
RetiredUSN said:
There is no right answer to give when questioned about being racist.

If a white person say's that they are not racist, then they are labeled as deniers and liars by certain elements within our society.
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It's an odd thing -- people who claim they are not racist are immediately thought to be racist?

If someone accused you of stealing a car that you did not steal, would you not immediately speak to your innocence?

People like DiAngelo (in my opinion) feel guilt within their own psyche and then try to project that outward on others in order to feel as though they're not "all alone."

I do agree with her that progressives are the worst when it comes to racism, I see that on a near-daily basis here on this very forum, but the rest of her stuff seems to be mostly self-flagellation for what she perceives as her "sins."

I read both the article and the comments and editorial reviews of her book -- I'm not interested enough to actually buy and read the book -- the excerpts were clear enough.

Most white Americans won't read the book, and if they did, they wouldn't agree. She'll draw from a very limited audience that thinks they should feel guilty because they're white.

I know I don't feel guilty -- and I think the majority of whites will agree with me.
 
HowardBThiname said:
It's an odd thing -- people who claim they are not racist are immediately thought to be racist?

If someone accused you of stealing a car that you did not steal, would you not immediately speak to your innocence?

People like DiAngelo (in my opinion) feel guilt within their own psyche and then try to project that outward on others in order to feel as though they're not "all alone."

I do agree with her that progressives are the worst when it comes to racism, I see that on a near-daily basis here on this very forum, but the rest of her stuff seems to be mostly self-flagellation for what she perceives as her "sins."

I read both the article and the comments and editorial reviews of her book -- I'm not interested enough to actually buy and read the book -- the excerpts were clear enough.

Most white Americans won't read the book, and if they did, they wouldn't agree. She'll draw from a very limited audience that thinks they should feel guilty because they're white.

I know I don't feel guilty -- and I think the majority of whites will agree with me.
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Social justice warriors have worked hard to promote self loathing into a marketable commodity.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Social justice warriors have worked hard to promote self loathing into a marketable commodity.
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I can't see the benefit in doing that -- to me it seems counterproductive when we're trying to reduce racism. It's having the opposite effect of promoting more racism.

On the positive side, very, very few people fall into that self-loathing trap. For the most part, I think whites (except for progressives) have a better handle on the issue and are confident enough in their own opinions that they can easily reject such ideas with a simple roll of the eyes.

I know I don't feel guilty in the least for being white or for having what I have. And, I don't personally know anyone who does.
 
Sweden said:
In a world awash with articles by attention seeking silly academics why on earth should I read more of this tripe?
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I read it. And, interestingly, she says progressives are the worst.

That, in itself, made it worth reading, LOL -- but, yes, it is tripe.
 
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