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My question about the Trump Tower meeting?

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The Trump people attending the meeting says they got nothing from the meeting. My question, is that true? Maybe they set up the whole program for the election? How do we know since of course the Trump people wouldn't lie, would they?
 
The Trump people attending the meeting says they got nothing from the meeting. My question, is that true? Maybe they set up the whole program for the election? How do we know since of course the Trump people wouldn't lie, would they?

"Got something of value" in this case meaning "Heard some Truth about Clinton Corp".....

And thus folks have mental images that this would be a crime...

We are so ****ed....
 
"Got something of value" in this case meaning "Heard some Truth about Clinton Corp".....

And thus folks have mental images that this would be a crime...

We are so ****ed....

Actually I try to use my brain to think of what has happened and how it did happen. Trump just days before the meeting said he was going to have something on Clinton in a day or two. then he never said anything about it again. People think it is because he got nothing from the meeting with the Russians. But what if instead the Russians outlined their plan to Trump's people and they did not want what they had to get out before they could use it in dribs and drabs to help trump get elected. It was much more effective than just making a single anoucement.
 
The Trump people attending the meeting says they got nothing from the meeting. My question, is that true? Maybe they set up the whole program for the election? How do we know since of course the Trump people wouldn't lie, would they?

My question: Where is the tape!?
 
Actually I try to use my brain to think of what has happened and how it did happen. Trump just days before the meeting said he was going to have something on Clinton in a day or two. then he never said anything about it again. People think it is because he got nothing from the meeting with the Russians. But what if instead the Russians outlined their plan to Trump's people and they did not want what they had to get out before they could use it in dribs and drabs to help trump get elected. It was much more effective than just making a single anoucement.

The flaw in your idea is that no one has demonstrated that the Russian ham handed propaganda made any difference is the first thing...... and second thing what do you intend to do about Justice saying that the Russians always had the right to make their best argument....or any argument that they wanted to make? Who says that the Americans get the right to tell the Russians that they have to **** up, especially after the abysmal way America conducted our almost done reign as a Super Power?
 
The Trump people attending the meeting says they got nothing from the meeting. My question, is that true? Maybe they set up the whole program for the election? How do we know since of course the Trump people wouldn't lie, would they?
No one in the general public outside outside the room knows.

So I suppose it comes down to credibility. Do we trust Jr, after lying and continuously evolving & recanting his story over several weeks? Do we trust the Russian agent? Do we trust Kushner? Do we trust Manafort?

To the above, I say 'no'. I wouldn't Trust these guys as far as I could throw them. So in my not so humble opinion, anyone that claims "nothing came from it", is a bit loose. They don't know.
 
The Trump people attending the meeting says they got nothing from the meeting. My question, is that true? Maybe they set up the whole program for the election? How do we know since of course the Trump people wouldn't lie, would they?

You're asking that question when both parties in this equation are equally guilty of lying... There is an inane prospect to this problem here and it bothers me every time this kind of thing comes up.

At this point, there is no information to show that the meeting was anything like its being advertised. Same as with the collusion story and with how he somehow lost out after Helsinki. If they supply the evidence, then I am willing to change my mind.
 
You're asking that question when both parties in this equation are equally guilty of lying... There is an inane prospect to this problem here and it bothers me every time this kind of thing comes up.

At this point, there is no information to show that the meeting was anything like its being advertised. Same as with the collusion story and with how he somehow lost out after Helsinki. If they supply the evidence, then I am willing to change my mind.

My answer to these kinds of "speculations" is always going to be the same...innocent until proven guilty.

I do not hold to the idea that allegations of wrong-doing equate to guilt. That is the problem with all of these narratives. People are projecting their personal opinions into the mix.

"Trump is a serial liar, therefore anything said about him must be true." Yet aside from rampant innuendo, speculation, and assumption bias, there seems to be very little evidence. Just a whole lot of "I chose to believe whatever allegation of the day must have happened." This is also the power of the MeToo! trend, allegations made in sufficient numbers decades after the fact and despite the absence of actual supporting evidence, equate to guilt.

No one doubts that political campaigns tend to seek dirt on each other in order to get some political advantage, which is why people tend to assume the worst when such allegations are made. Yet most news, including that about the Trump campaign alleged misconduct, is merely gossip which exemplifies the value of such intrigues. Dig up and publish the mud and create a never-ending news cycle that sells views.

The DNC hacks show that Hillary and the Democratic Party organization were clearly "guilty" of such actions from their own revealed records. Steele's "dossier" is based on Russian allegations reported second-hand. (Russians allegedly heard or saw something they told Steele, Steele passed it on to the FBI and any "news organization" he thought would publish, and then members of the public take it as gospel truth.)

FACTS not innuendo and speculation, that's how you make a valid case. Guilt must be proven, otherwise I stand for the innocence of the accused.
 
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No one in the general public outside outside the room knows.

So I suppose it comes down to credibility. Do we trust Jr, after lying and continuously evolving & recanting his story over several weeks? Do we trust the Russian agent? Do we trust Kushner? Do we trust Manafort?

To the above, I say 'no'. I wouldn't Trust these guys as far as I could throw them. So in my not so humble opinion, anyone that claims "nothing came from it", is a bit loose. They don't know.
Even better...

Why not ask the "Russian govt lawyer", Veselnitskaya, who wasnt even allowed to be in the country without a special visa that could ONLY come from Loretta we are gonna Lynch Trump's office?

The same lawyer that just happened to be meeting, out of the, you know, 7 billion other people on the planet, with Fusion GPS co founder Glen Simpson (yes, of the Steele dossier fame) just hours before the Trump Tower meeting ...and after as well...

What would a sane, smart calculating person gauge to be the chances of that...like 54 quadrillionbilliontrillion squared? I will defer to the mathematicians, but damn that is highly unlikely to say the least, wouldnt you say?
 
No one in the general public outside outside the room knows.

So I suppose it comes down to credibility. Do we trust Jr, after lying and continuously evolving & recanting his story over several weeks? Do we trust the Russian agent? Do we trust Kushner? Do we trust Manafort?

To the above, I say 'no'. I wouldn't Trust these guys as far as I could throw them. So in my not so humble opinion, anyone that claims "nothing came from it", is a bit loose. They don't know.

If these people had nothing they hide, it begs the question why there are so many lies about this meeting. They tried to lie about what was discussed about in the meeting, they put out false statements about the meeting, and they tried to shield Donald Sr and purposely lied about him knowing of the meeting. If they were up to innocent type stuff, why all the lies? Why not just tell the truth and be upfront? They have been caught in so many lies, which is concerning. Why the cover up? I really hope mueller tells us eventually.


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Even better...

Why not ask the "Russian govt lawyer", Veselnitskaya, who wasnt even allowed to be in the country without a special visa that could ONLY come from Loretta we are gonna Lynch Trump's office?

The same lawyer that just happened to be meeting, out of the, you know, 7 billion other people on the planet, with Fusion GPS co founder Glen Simpson (yes, of the Steele dossier fame) just hours before the Trump Tower meeting ...and after as well...

What would a sane, smart calculating person gauge to be the chances of that...like 54 quadrillionbilliontrillion squared? I will defer to the mathematicians, but damn that is highly unlikely to say the least, wouldnt you say?
When I was speaking of the Russian Agent in my post you replied to, that's who I meant. Obviously, she can't be believed.
 
If these people had nothing they hide, it begs the question why there are so many lies about this meeting. They tried to lie about what was discussed about in the meeting, they put out false statements about the meeting, and they tried to shield Donald Sr and purposely lied about him knowing of the meeting. If they were up to innocent type stuff, why all the lies? Why not just tell the truth and be upfront? They have been caught in so many lies, which is concerning. Why the cover up? I really hope mueller tells us eventually.


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Exactly. That's why the investigation is fully justified, IMO. I can't wait for November ...
 
When I was speaking of the Russian Agent in my post you replied to, that's who I meant. Obviously, she can't be believed.

You dont find it rather curious that she just happened to be meeting the very same day with a guy hired by the DNC and the fat lady to dig up dirt on team Trump? And that to be at that meeting she would have had to have gotten a very rare visa that can only be obtained through the office of slendermans Atty Gen, who had already helped the fat lady by having the FBI downgrade the investigation to a matter?

The chances of all that randomly occurring, coincidence, just at the right time in each instance is impossible. This was a set up, a coordinated effort assocated with, tho separate, from the insertion of at least one US federal operative into the Trump campaign... and getting a warrant under false pretenses to surveil Page and by extension to all those to whom he was in contact.
 
The Trump people attending the meeting says they got nothing from the meeting. My question, is that true? Maybe they set up the whole program for the election? How do we know since of course the Trump people wouldn't lie, would they?

Don't you guys have anything else to do?

Do you just wake up every morning hoping that today is the day that you will actually hear something that is damaging to Trump that has substance or proof?

How much crap can you make up day after day after day that is simple BS and not recognize the same BS the next day in a new package?

How many flaming bags of crap on your front porch do you have to stamp out before you start to suspect someone is trying to deceive the weak minded and they've targeted YOU?
 
Actually I try to use my brain to think of what has happened and how it did happen. Trump just days before the meeting said he was going to have something on Clinton in a day or two. then he never said anything about it again. People think it is because he got nothing from the meeting with the Russians. But what if instead the Russians outlined their plan to Trump's people and they did not want what they had to get out before they could use it in dribs and drabs to help trump get elected. It was much more effective than just making a single anoucement.

Link?
 
No one in the general public outside outside the room knows.

So I suppose it comes down to credibility. Do we trust Jr, after lying and continuously evolving & recanting his story over several weeks? Do we trust the Russian agent? Do we trust Kushner? Do we trust Manafort?

To the above, I say 'no'. I wouldn't Trust these guys as far as I could throw them. So in my not so humble opinion, anyone that claims "nothing came from it", is a bit loose. They don't know.

Did anyone in the room say that dirt on Hillary was produced and/or used?

It seems to me that all dirt on Hillary was put forth by Hillary. There was plenty. Plenty enough to blow down a Blue Wall.
 
If these people had nothing they hide, it begs the question why there are so many lies about this meeting. They tried to lie about what was discussed about in the meeting, they put out false statements about the meeting, and they tried to shield Donald Sr and purposely lied about him knowing of the meeting. If they were up to innocent type stuff, why all the lies? Why not just tell the truth and be upfront? They have been caught in so many lies, which is concerning. Why the cover up? I really hope mueller tells us eventually.


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I'm not at all sure what you're trying to say in your post.

They attended the meeting to get dirt on Hillary.

There was no dirt on Hillary.

The meeting was arranged by a music agent from Britain.

When the meeting content was understood to be unrelated to the advertised content, they pretty much said, "I'm out", and left.

What is that you think happened?
 
The Trump people attending the meeting says they got nothing from the meeting. My question, is that true? Maybe they set up the whole program for the election? How do we know since of course the Trump people wouldn't lie, would they?

If all you have is speculation based on a "maybe", then you got nothing worth thinking about.
 
Don't you guys have anything else to do?

Do you just wake up every morning hoping that today is the day that you will actually hear something that is damaging to Trump that has substance or proof?

How much crap can you make up day after day after day that is simple BS and not recognize the same BS the next day in a new package?

How many flaming bags of crap on your front porch do you have to stamp out before you start to suspect someone is trying to deceive the weak minded and they've targeted YOU?

When they run out of **** to make up, they'll just trot out the **** they've already made up and start all over.
 
Actually I try to use my brain to think of what has happened and how it did happen. Trump just days before the meeting said he was going to have something on Clinton in a day or two. then he never said anything about it again. People think it is because he got nothing from the meeting with the Russians. But what if instead the Russians outlined their plan to Trump's people and they did not want what they had to get out before they could use it in dribs and drabs to help trump get elected. It was much more effective than just making a single anoucement.
"What if"??? Are you joking? This whole **** show for the past couple of years constructed by progressive liberals is based on "What if's" just like you pose here, then repeating them as though they are proven fact. Problem is, the tactic so far hasn't worked.

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