Document Declassification; Why The Secrecy?

For some reason; Deputy U.S. Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, Special Counsel Robert Mueller, the DOJ , and the FBI, have refused to release certain documents to the public for scrutiny.
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For Some Reason; Donald Trump, who has the power as POTUS to declassify said documents by his word and signature alone, but has thus-far refused to do so.

My first thought is that Rosenstein and Mueller fear that these documents, if made public, might possibly expose their "Russia collusion" investigation as a fraud or contain evidence that would exonerate Donald Trump?!

My second thought is, what could possibly be the reason President Trump hasn't exercised his right as POTUS to declassify them...Could it be the "Deep State" has threatened him with damaging information they have on him or a family member?!

https://saraacarter.com/house-intel...us-to-declassify-19-pages-of-fisa-for-public/
It’s Time to Declassify the Missing 19 Pages of FISA Application
Sara explains to Hannity that the missing 19 pages of the FISA application are crucial in the pursuit of justice. Its time for President Trump to declassify the application. The American people deserve justice!

To hell with national security...It's time that 'We The People' see those documents because I do not trust the Government to unseat my President nor besmirch his Presidency without first showing me the evidence!

Empirica said:

For some reason; Deputy U.S. Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, Special Counsel Robert Mueller, the DOJ , and the FBI, have refused to release certain documents to the public for scrutiny.

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It's not "for some reason". The reason is national security.

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For Some Reason; Donald Trump, who has the power as POTUS to declassify said documents by his word and signature alone, but has thus-far refused to do so.

My first thought is that Rosenstein and Mueller fear that these documents, if made public, might possibly expose their "Russia collusion" investigation as a fraud or contain evidence that would exonerate Donald Trump?!

My second thought is, what could possibly be the reason President Trump hasn't exercised his right as POTUS to declassify them...Could it be the "Deep State" has threatened him with damaging information they have on him or a family member?!

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There's a third thought, and that's that Trump knows he or his are dirty, and he knows the docs will prove it.

https://saraacarter.com/house-intel...us-to-declassify-19-pages-of-fisa-for-public/
It’s Time to Declassify the Missing 19 Pages of FISA Application
Sara explains to Hannity that the missing 19 pages of the FISA application are crucial in the pursuit of justice. Its time for President Trump to declassify the application. The American people deserve justice!

To hell with national security...It's time that 'We The People' see those documents because I do not trust the Government to unseat my President nor besmirch his Presidency without first showing me the evidence!

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No, it's never "to hell with national security". That's a very dangerous statement.

As to evidence of impeachment, if present it will be in the Mueller report and you know that.

Empirica said:

For some reason; Deputy U.S. Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, Special Counsel Robert Mueller, the DOJ , and the FBI, have refused to release certain documents to the public for scrutiny.
And
For Some Reason; Donald Trump, who has the power as POTUS to declassify said documents by his word and signature alone, but has thus-far refused to do so.

My first thought is that Rosenstein and Mueller fear that these documents, if made public, might possibly expose their "Russia collusion" investigation as a fraud or contain evidence that would exonerate Donald Trump?!

My second thought is, what could possibly be the reason President Trump hasn't exercised his right as POTUS to declassify them...Could it be the "Deep State" has threatened him with damaging information they have on him or a family member?!

https://saraacarter.com/house-intel...us-to-declassify-19-pages-of-fisa-for-public/
It’s Time to Declassify the Missing 19 Pages of FISA Application
Sara explains to Hannity that the missing 19 pages of the FISA application are crucial in the pursuit of justice. Its time for President Trump to declassify the application. The American people deserve justice!

To hell with national security...It's time that 'We The People' see those documents because I do not trust the Government to unseat my President nor besmirch his Presidency without first showing me the evidence!

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Trust? Hannity? The FISA Applications granted by all Republican Judges? By Trump's word all should trust? Show evidence?

Let's start with: Trump shells out the last 5 years of his IRS returns FIRST, then we'll have a clearer picture about who to trust and not trust. Oh, and Trump, nor any other president or their appointed representatives, should have the ability to have a private one on one meeting with and an known adversary such as Putin, so let's get the Interpreter who was at the last Trump/Putin meeting testify as to the nature, and if necessary the details of their conversation before the appropriate Congressional Committee and quite possibly the DOJ get involved.

Gimmesometruth said:

Even redacted, the applications lay waste to the central charges made in the Nunes memo. Chief among these was that the F.B.I., in relying on controversial reporting by the former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, had failed to “mention Steele was ultimately working on behalf of — and paid by — the D.N.C. and Clinton campaign.”

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To open the link above and gander through it, you'll find:

We are now witnessing an effort to gaslight the press and the public in support of a discredited narrative about politically motivated surveillance of the Trump campaign.

What’s more, that gaslighting is obscuring the need for a more nuanced debate about whether our intelligence surveillance authorities are in need of systemic reform. The question we should ask isn’t whether the F.B.I. followed the laws in wiretapping Carter Page — they clearly did — but whether the laws they followed protect our privacy well enough.

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Food for thought. Thanks for the link.

Removable Mind said:

To open the link above and gander through it, you'll find:



Food for thought. Thanks for the link.

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When it come's to Page's privacy...I'm sorry, but if Russia intel agents are communicating that Page IS a target for recruitment because of his contacts with oligarchs and their businesses, that is not some fault of US intel who intercepted the Russian communications in the first place.

Page admitted that he was an agent for Russian interests.

Chomsky said:

It's not "for some reason". The reason is national security.

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They're lying...I know because they've lied before.

There's a third thought, and that's that Trump knows he or his are dirty, and he knows the docs will prove it.

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I don't think so Chomsky, Mueller and Rosenstein are devout Trump-haters...They've spent more than a year desperately leaking anything and everything they could twist into a semblance of guilt.

If they were in possession of actual evidence, they would be proudly plastering it all over every media source around the world and wallering in 'gotcha-glory', like pigs in s**t.

No, it's never "to hell with national security". That's a very dangerous statement.

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These people have already withheld/redacted too much socalled evidence, using false claims of "national security".

So every piece of evidence has to be thoroughly and entirely examined by trustworthy members of congress.

If you watched FNC instead of CNN you would know all this; but I suspect you don't actually want to know.

As to evidence of impeachment, if present it will be in the Mueller report and you know that.

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If there's any evidence in the Mueller Report, it will likely drag the meaning of 'circumstantial' down to a whole new level.

And the President refuses to release the particulars of his one on one with Putin in Helsinki to his own military!!! Any ideas which is worse????

While Gen Vodel our commander in Syria says tonight he continues to have gotten no new instructions from Washington he expressed concern that since Helsinki the Kremlin continues to claim that they are ready to move forward on the agreements reached in Helsinki for military cooperation in Syria.

Next, the Kremlin claims that in expressing his concern Vodel is undermining the supreme US commander, meaning Trump. Announced FROM THE KREMLIN. That is a Kremlin claim about our military commander in Syria who over a week later has not been briefed nor received any new instructions through his chain of command by HIS OWN WORDS!!! That is followed by the WH announcing that the WH will no longer release summaries of discussions between Trump and foreign leaders.

I am sure some of the kiddy crowd that posts in this forum won't have any issues with this nonsense because they would not know what a military or geopolitical issue was if it hit them in the face on the front end of a Mack truck. So I post this for those with a brain as opposed to those Trumpian nematodes that post in these pages.

It is time for this nonsense to just stop. If you are not Americans in this forum I can't have a beef with you. If you are....I cannot help but have a beef with you if you continue to play these word games in the face of Trump's executive malfeasance.

Empirica said:

They're lying...I know because they've lied before.

I don't think so Chomsky, Mueller and Rosenstein are devout Trump-haters...They've spent more than a year desperately leaking anything and everything they could twist into a semblance of guilt.

If they were in possession of actual evidence, they would be proudly plastering it all over every media source around the world and wallering in 'gotcha-glory', like pigs in s**t.

These people have already withheld/redacted too much socalled evidence, using false claims of "national security".

So every piece of evidence has to be thoroughly and entirely examined by trustworthy members of congress.

If you watched FNC instead of CNN you would know all this; but I suspect you don't actually want to know.

If there's any evidence in the Mueller Report, it will likely drag the meaning of 'circumstantial' down to a whole new level.

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Thanks for the reply, but I see nothing more than supposition and opinion here.

BTW, I do indeed watch Fox.

Empirica said:

They're lying...I know because they've lied before.

I don't think so Chomsky, Mueller and Rosenstein are devout Trump-haters...They've spent more than a year desperately leaking anything and everything they could twist into a semblance of guilt.

If they were in possession of actual evidence, they would be proudly plastering it all over every media source around the world and wallering in 'gotcha-glory', like pigs in s**t.

These people have already withheld/redacted too much socalled evidence, using false claims of "national security".

So every piece of evidence has to be thoroughly and entirely examined by trustworthy members of congress.

If you watched FNC instead of CNN you would know all this; but I suspect you don't actually want to know.

If there's any evidence in the Mueller Report, it will likely drag the meaning of 'circumstantial' down to a whole new level.

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Trump has lied before, therefore everything he says is a lie and I don’t need to discuss any of it. He says he didn’t collude with Russia to undermine the election, but he has lied before. Therefore guilty. Impeach him.

If you want to really get an eyeful of Carter Page watch him under the slightest pressure regarding questions of Russian contact....he can't get any words to come out in a straight line...I mean can't get any of them to come out in a straight line.

Asked if he had met Amb. Kislyak, a fairly straightforward question and one that could have an easy answer, Page will blather out something about having met him in Cleveland. Asked if he met Kislyak at any time other than Cleveland the answer becomes "well I might have, maybe, I don't know". What...you don't know? Either you did or you didn't.

This guy is nervous as a kitten. I can tell you that he is NOT some hard bitten Intelligence Officer. But Agents tend to be weak people which is why Officers are able to recruit them. Page has a wet noodle for a spine.

They broke the law and they're trying to cover their asses.

Deuce said:

Trump has lied before, therefore everything he says is a lie and I don’t need to discuss any of it. He says he didn’t collude with Russia to undermine the election, but he has lied before. Therefore guilty. Impeach him.

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Trump doesn't lie; he's simply terrible at getting his point across.

He's obviously not a politician which is one of several reasons for his popularity.

But you people will only see and hear whatever might validate your shakey narrative.

Empirica said:

Trump doesn't lie; he's simply terrible at getting his point across.

He's obviously not a politician which is one of several reasons for his popularity.

But you people will only see and hear whatever might validate your shakey narrative.

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Never? Never once?