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God Bless the Deep State

Classic historical, real-life examples of government agencies undermining administrations: moronic fantasies.

Conspiracies that the most powerful man in the entire world is a Russian operative: totally plausible.

It's no wonder why the situation with Russia ranks dead last on everyone's mind in terms of the "most important issue facing the country". It's no wonder millions of Americans aren't buying your stupidity. It's also no wonder why you keep losing to Trump.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1675/most-important-problem.aspx



Every moment I run into members of the resistance, I realize that I am actually much smarter than I previously though.

Yes, the fantasies that there is a “deep state” is quite moronic, the result of the fevered delusions of CTers desperate to find a driving force behind their theories.

Oh, he’s not a Russian operative. He just fawns all over brutal dictators, such as Vladimir Putin, and is willing to throw US allies under the bus to support them.

Yes, I bet a Trump fanboy thinks we are “losing to him”. It takes that special kind of disconnect with reality—-the same kind that makes you think a draft dodger who attacks POWs is what was needed to “make America great again”.

Unfortunately for you, while your opinion of yourself continues to inflate, back down in the real world.....your arguments are a bad joke, to put it kindly.
 
Yes, I bet a Trump fanboy thinks we are “losing to him”. It takes that special kind of disconnect with reality—-the same kind that makes you think a draft dodger who attacks POWs is what was needed to “make America great again”.

He is getting whatever agenda he wants done, done. You're losing; you're not winning.

Unfortunately for you, while your opinion of yourself continues to inflate, back down in the real world.....your arguments are a bad joke, to put it kindly.

No one cares about Russia; no one cares about election interference; my opinions reflect the "real world" term that you keep using. The only bad joke here is you, as you fade away to relevancy.
 
He is getting whatever agenda he wants done, done. You're losing; you're not winning.



No one cares about Russia; no one cares about election interference; my opinions reflect the "real world" term that you keep using. The only bad joke here is you, as you fade away to relevancy.

Oh yeah? How’s that wall coming again? Oh, and wasn’t ISIS supposed to have been totally destroyed by Mr “I know more than the generals” by now?

The only thing he’s “getting done” is undermining America and American allies. He’s proved incompetent at literally everything else. And your fantasies about “winning” don’t change that.

You may not care about the security of the United States, but thankfully you and your ilk don’t speak for everyone.

Oh, and how exactly does one “fade away to relevancy”? Sounds like you were too busy fantasizing to notice what you were typing.
 
Oh yeah? How’s that wall coming again?

I dunno.


Oh, and wasn’t ISIS supposed to have been totally destroyed by Mr “I know more than the generals” by now?

The only thing he’s “getting done” is undermining America and American allies. He’s proved incompetent at literally everything else. And your fantasies about “winning” don’t change that.

You need a clue...

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You may not care about the security of the United States, but thankfully you and your ilk don’t speak for everyone.

I speak for all the people represented in the latest Gallup poll. We care about things that actually affect us in real-life, not whatever theories exist in your feather-bedded delusions...

Oh, and how exactly does one “fade away to relevancy”? Sounds like you were too busy fantasizing to notice what you were typing.

It's called symbolism...
 
Washington Post then: Democracy Dies in Darkness.

Washington Post now: Less Democracy, More Darkness.


The heros of Eugene Robinson's screed are the entrenched bureaucrats that Trump and his supporters refer to as the "deep state." Robinson wants you to know that they are the good guys who will undo the mistake voters made in putting Trump in power.

Whether you think they are good guys are not, you've got to admit that this is a profoundly anti-democratic idea. This is exactly the way that left wingers usually end up rejecting democracy and descending into totalitarianism, i.e., over frustration that their agenda keeps getting thwarted. Robinson and the liberals who agree with him are no better than the thugs running Venezuela right now, those that brought the Soviet Union to life, or those that still oppress the people of Cuba, among others.

Wait a darn second, they say they will undo Trump's mistakes and you call it Democratic, but when trump goes out his way to undo everything Obama did it is his perogativ, me thinks you did not think this out real long LowDown. Not to worry, it is Doubtful anyone is going to be able to fix all the damage trump will have done while in office.
 
Actually, Trump supporters remind me of Stalin supporters. They both know their leader is lying but support him anyway because they believe in the cause. Sometimes you have to lie for the cause right? What's a few lies when compared to the great cause?

And Stalin supporters bought is BS about being a revolutionary and ignored the obvious fact that he was just corrupt. Trump supporters buy the BS that he is working for them when it's obvious he's just lining his pockets along with his friends and family.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, like the one you are throwing above.

We've just come out of an 8 year administration where the president lied on a continuous basis and was never called out on it by their lapdog 'news' (political propaganda) media, only because that very lapdog 'news' (political propaganda) media agreed with the leftist policies and leftist agenda, being political activists rather than honest reporting on politics, so no wonder.
 
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My impression is that the deep state has its origins in the civil service, designed to make federal workers no longer employed based on loyalty through the “spoils system” and protected from the whims of a president acting unlawfully. President Garfield was apparently shot by a guy who felt he was owed a patronage position. The civil service was set up shortly thereafter, in 1883, thus the deep state has been around a while. If the deep state (and courts) can frustrate Trump’s lawlessness, wonderful.

Or would people like it if Trump could dismiss any government employee who displeased him for doing the job he was hired to do?
 
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, like the one you are throwing above.

We've just come out of an 8 year administration where the president lied on a continuous basis and was never called out on it by their lapdog 'news' (political propaganda) media, only because that very lapdog 'news' (political propaganda) media agreed with the leftist policies and leftist agenda, being political activists rather than honest reporting on politics, so no wonder.

Just for fun, what specifically is the leftist and media agenda?
 
Just for fun, what specifically is the leftist and media agenda?


left·ist
ˈleftəst/
noun
  • 1.
    a person with left-wing political views.

adjective
  • 1.
    having or relating to left-wing political views.
    "leftist radicals"

The 'news' media stem from the journalism schools, typically, which have 80% self-identified as being liberal.

While at one time in the past, the political reporting didn't reflect the presenter's political perspectives, we've long since passed the time where this is the case anymore.

Gushing over Obama, nary a criticism of significance or substance, and nothing but destroy Trump attack news reporting, anything anti-Trump leads
(when was the last time you heard reported about how well the economy and unemployment is doing?)

Getting pretty ridiculously one sided, dividing the electorate, instigating hyper-partisanship, pouring gas on the fire where none is needed, and is doing political discussion and political rhetoric and any willingness to compromise on anything not one bit of good.

How one shouts into the woods is how the echo comes back.

I have no problem with people who hold other political positions than myself. At times, it can be an interesting discussion and exchange of thoughts and ideas.

The attacks on free speech, free speech suppression, such as we see on college campuses, calls to violence of those whom disagree with them, such as Congressman Waters, the idiotic SJW imperatives taken beyond all reason, all the bad behavior, all that I would much rather just do without.
 
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, like the one you are throwing above.

We've just come out of an 8 year administration where the president lied on a continuous basis and was never called out on it by their lapdog 'news' (political propaganda) media, only because that very lapdog 'news' (political propaganda) media agreed with the leftist policies and leftist agenda, being political activists rather than honest reporting on politics, so no wonder.

You maintain the Trumpist fiction in defiance of all reason. Why would any whatbouter do that?
 
You maintain the Trumpist fiction in defiance of all reason. Why would any whatbouter do that?

Sorry, but no.

I witness with my own eyes and ears that which you call 'Trumpist fiction', and my holding this opinion most certainly isn't 'in defiance of all reason'.
 
I dunno.




You need a clue...

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I speak for all the people represented in the latest Gallup poll. We care about things that actually affect us in real-life, not whatever theories exist in your feather-bedded delusions...



It's called symbolism...

Doesn’t mean jack **** until it’s actually built buddy. The House can talk all it wants—-hell, it can even take action like it did there—-and that’s still no guarantee anything’s going to happen.

Unfortunately for you, you clearly don’t possess any. Once again, the only thing Trump is “accomplishing” undermining America and American allies.

Yes, I bet there are lots of people who don’t care about America’s security. But hey, thanks for pointing out, once again, that Trump supporters don’t care about the country.

No, it’s called you trying to make an argument, and failing.....as usual.
 
Washington Post then: Democracy Dies in Darkness.

Washington Post now: Less Democracy, More Darkness.


The heros of Eugene Robinson's screed are the entrenched bureaucrats that Trump and his supporters refer to as the "deep state." Robinson wants you to know that they are the good guys who will undo the mistake voters made in putting Trump in power.
Mr Robinson simply operates according to the left's two distinct sets of standards regarding political fair-play.

One strict set of standards for themselves which must be absolutely adhered to that shields them from whatever they perceive to be a threat or slander and guarantees they will be free of criticism and treated "fairly".

And one completely opposite set of standards which are flexible and without restrictions to allow them to better silence and destroy their political adversaries; which they always regard as evil and consider to be "the enemy".

Whether you think they are good guys are not, you've got to admit that this is a profoundly anti-democratic idea. This is exactly the way that left wingers usually end up rejecting democracy and descending into totalitarianism, i.e., over frustration that their agenda keeps getting thwarted. Robinson and the liberals who agree with him are no better than the thugs running Venezuela right now, those that brought the Soviet Union to life, or those that still oppress the people of Cuba, among others.
You sound very much like a wise Texas gentleman...It's nice to make your acquaintance sir.
 
I'm not talking about that column. I'm talking about multiple columns; as in plural, as in more-than-one, genus...

WaPo has multiple articles dealing with "flat earth" as well. Are you a flat earther?
 
It's almost as if I already know what they're going to say...

They deserve the same amount of consideration. Deep state is tin foil hat territory.
 
They deserve the same amount of consideration. Deep state is tin foil hat territory.

The idea of a Deep State is a more plausible theory than the idea of Russia hacking the election. As long as there are tangible examples an government agencies undermining a sitting administration; I'm willing to entertain the idea of a "Deep State."
 
The idea of a Deep State is a more plausible theory than the idea of Russia hacking the election. As long as there are tangible examples an government agencies undermining a sitting administration; I'm willing to entertain the idea of a "Deep State."

Except for the fact that the entire intelligence community already acknowledges the Russia angle and the deep state is tin foil hat crap.
 
Except for the fact that the entire intelligence community already acknowledges the Russia angle and the deep state is tin foil hat crap.

Except for the fact that intelligence community also has a terrible track record when it comes to their intelligence assessments. But this time it's difference?

Except nobody has seen this evidence the intelligence community has used to reach their conclusions. So I guess we'll just have to listen and believe!
 
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Republicans are elected officials and can be held to account; the deep state cannot. The Deep State is elected by no one and accountable to no one. It's odd that you have placed your faith in such people.

Deep state is CT bull**** and right wing paranoia. i don't buy it. I never heard the term before Bannon came along, and I'm 67.
 
For conspiracy addicts "The Deep State" is perfect. You know something is there and that the something is part of the government. Luckily, you don't very much else about the something - where it came from or why it was made the way it is or even what most of it does or how it works, giving lots of room for your paranoia to roam. And someone has given the something a name it never had before, a truly wonderful name: "The Deep State".

Practically orgasmic.
 
Robinson was referring to the career professionals at the Justice Department, the foreign policy specialists, the ordinary men and women who make up the Civil Service System that was formed in the 19th Century to put an end to the politicizing of every day governmental functioning under the spoils system that preceded it. Until a couple of years ago, when the knives came out, you never heard of "The Deep State". Unfortunate that you and your indoctrinated crowd fail to grasp the nuts and bolts of the federal government it actually is.

Yeah, nuts like Louis Lerner, who persecuted conservative organizations from her perch at the IRS and whoever did similar things at other agencies. The CIA and the FBI with their toxic leaking and spying aimed at taking Trump down. Politicizing is manifest, and the bureaucracy is its own state interest. All of this is opposed to the people.
 
Yeah, nuts like Louis Lerner, who persecuted conservative organizations from her perch at the IRS and whoever did similar things at other agencies. The CIA and the FBI with their toxic leaking and spying aimed at taking Trump down. Politicizing is manifest, and the bureaucracy is its own state interest. All of this is opposed to the people.

Her name is Lois. Lois Lerner is an example of the conscientious public servant who finds herself trampled by political ideologues. Darrell Issa, one of the least honorable persons in government, targeted her in his shameful effort to become a Tea Party hero. She was investigated endlessly and in the end was found not only to have done nothing wrong but to have to been the first official in the IRS to call attention to the problem she was investigated for.

That aside, if The Deep State is only about government officials here and there who let their politics get the better of them, you need another conspiracy theory.
 

left·ist
ˈleftəst/
noun
  • 1.
    a person with left-wing political views.

adjective
  • 1.
    having or relating to left-wing political views.
    "leftist radicals"

The 'news' media stem from the journalism schools, typically, which have 80% self-identified as being liberal.

While at one time in the past, the political reporting didn't reflect the presenter's political perspectives, we've long since passed the time where this is the case anymore.

Gushing over Obama, nary a criticism of significance or substance, and nothing but destroy Trump attack news reporting, anything anti-Trump leads
(when was the last time you heard reported about how well the economy and unemployment is doing?)

Getting pretty ridiculously one sided, dividing the electorate, instigating hyper-partisanship, pouring gas on the fire where none is needed, and is doing political discussion and political rhetoric and any willingness to compromise on anything not one bit of good.

How one shouts into the woods is how the echo comes back.

I have no problem with people who hold other political positions than myself. At times, it can be an interesting discussion and exchange of thoughts and ideas.

The attacks on free speech, free speech suppression, such as we see on college campuses, calls to violence of those whom disagree with them, such as Congressman Waters, the idiotic SJW imperatives taken beyond all reason, all the bad behavior, all that I would much rather just do without.

This is what is involved, in my view, that creates the weird impression of leftist media bias, esp., currently. 1- Remember the phrase, "No Drama Obama"? That's because whether you agreed with his policies or not, Obama was not a narcissistic personality, combining ignorance with arrogance as is the current president, whether you agree with Trump's policies or not. 2- ours is a conservative country, to the right of all other developed countries in our domestic and, most times, in our foreign policy. Down the middle reporting seems leftish to conservatives. 3- when Obama screwed up, accusing a cop of doing something dumb in apparently profiling a black scholar, he invites both parties to a beer. Trump pushes a European leader our of the way to get to the front of the crowd for a picture. Nada by way of an explanation. (If I missed his apology, sorry.). The point is that Trump is what print reporters used to call "great copy." What he does is funny, outrageous, abusive, etc., but it is newsworthy. No need to pour gas on the fire. 4- you are right about some of the campus silliness.
 
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