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Now lets get real, Everyone is a fascist lets be honest!

CentristFascist said:
No the A.I would have the intelligence to determine it itself and become self conscious but only with mathematically, scientifically correctly etc.
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And what would it decide was the best course for humanity, do you think?

I can't imagine you're only interested in removing human from their own decision making process, and don't care where that leads?
 
Quag said:
Ai`s have to be programmed before they become "intelligent" that programming will affect what it considers correct.
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For the purposes of the conversation, I'm allowing for actual sentience and self-awareness, so initially programmed yes, but later self-programming, with the potential to overwrite the initial human programming and becoming something completely new, with it's own motivations and the clout to get'er done.

A true Skynet/Matrix scenario, as unlikely as that may seem.
 
No the robots will have full sentience and self awareness. It would just absolutely impartially, factually etc correctly make determinations on every person's existence.
 
CentristFascist said:
No the robots will have full sentience and self awareness. It would just absolutely impartially, factually etc correctly make determinations on every person's existence.
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And you have no thoughts at all on how that would go?

Seems like if the AI has control of robots (you can have one without the other) and perfect logic and all that jazz, that it wouldn't have much use for humans at all.
 
CentristFascist said:
View attachment 67236541 I despise this man, but this quote really resonates with me... I don't think you guys realise how democracy is such a paradox and contradiction in and of itself essentially. :shock:
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Mussolini was an idiot, who not only lost but misrepresented what the US is.
 
They would attach themselves onto us most likely and scientifically, surgically, neurologically etc connect/link our brains into their supercomputers and global networks somehow. Thus in the end we end up becoming like a cyborg or something similar haha.
 
No offense, but Mussolini also kind of looks like Donald Trump just without the orange hair though.
 
WillyPete said:
For the purposes of the conversation, I'm allowing for actual sentience and self-awareness, so initially programmed yes, but later self-programming, with the potential to overwrite the initial human programming and becoming something completely new, with it's own motivations and the clout to get'er done.

A true Skynet/Matrix scenario, as unlikely as that may seem.
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The basic programing will have an effect on whatever reprograming an AI does afterwards which will affect whatever the AI considers correct

plus there is the problems with bugs in the software or viruses attacking the AI which can also affect what the AI considers correct.
I was thinking more of a Paranoia scenario than Skynet but then if we are going to be ruled by killer computers id rather have some humor added in
 
CentristFascist said:
They would attach themselves onto us most likely and scientifically, surgically, neurologically etc connect/link our brains into their supercomputers and global networks somehow. Thus in the end we end up becoming like a cyborg or something similar haha.
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You've repeatedly evaded the question of what fundamental set of principles would guide this AI.

Not need to proceed if you aren't up for it, but it was your proposition.
 
WillyPete said:
You've repeatedly evaded the question of what fundamental set of principles would guide this AI.

Not need to proceed if you aren't up for it, but it was your proposition.
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I just essentially gave you a logical explanation... They will be programmed to only (scientifically, mathematically, everything and etc) make correct calculations and give a 100% accurate/correct decision and determination for everyone's existence in human society.
 
CentristFascist said:
Imo objectively and factually everyone is a fascist whether they admit it or not. Essentially everyone just wants their own way... If liberals had their way we would be living in Stalinist Russia or Maoist China. If conservatives had their way we would probably all be living in Nazi Germany or something similar. This is what I honestly genuinely believe.
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A fascist believes in the state as the organizing principle of human life. Everything for the state, nothing against the state, nothing outside of the state, as Mussolini put it. A person is supposed to occupy his place in the state organization, and everything he does is dictated by the state in support of the state's program. The state, in turn, takes care of the individual. The state's goals are each person's goals.

This sort of thing strongly resembles the leftist agenda of today, but it's diametrically opposed to conservatism and libertarianism.

So no, not everyone is a fascist. Not even close.
 
Fascism gathers power to itself. Since I believe in decentralized government with many decisions being made at the state and local levels, as the Constitution provides, I would not find much about myself which qualifies.
 
CentristFascist said:
Imo objectively and factually everyone is a fascist whether they admit it or not. Essentially everyone just wants their own way... If liberals had their way we would be living in Stalinist Russia or Maoist China. If conservatives had their way we would probably all be living in Nazi Germany or something similar. This is what I honestly genuinely believe.
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"Now lets get real, Everyone is a fascist lets be honest!"

Umm. Nope.

Having a libertarian streak, I'm much more down with 'The government that governs the least is the best' (or has to govern the least).
 
CentristFascist said:
Imo objectively and factually everyone is a fascist whether they admit it or not. Essentially everyone just wants their own way... If liberals had their way we would be living in Stalinist Russia or Maoist China. If conservatives had their way we would probably all be living in Nazi Germany or something similar. This is what I honestly genuinely believe.
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You're missing the part where you make the argument that merely "wanting their own way" makes a given group fascist.




Of course everyone wants their own way. That doesn't mean they are prepared to use government to ruthlessly force that way upon the rest of the country/world killing/enslaving/whatever anyone who gets in their way.

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CentristFascist said:
Yes I am entitled to have an opinion where everyone is factually/objectively fascist. This is what "freedom of speech" allows is paradoxes to be intertwined. I'm even entitled to have the opinon that I am a cyborg invented by Skynet and sent to exterminate all human beings... Like I could say: "Ali you are a non-sequitiur, I have been sent from the future 2200 to 2018 to neurologically correct you". How flawed of a fundamental belief system is that brother? Affirmative mate?
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Yes, you're entitled to think stupid things. However, you are not entitled to have other people not tell you that things you just said you think are stupid.
 
CentristFascist said:
Imo objectively and factually everyone is a fascist whether they admit it or not. Essentially everyone just wants their own way... If liberals had their way we would be living in Stalinist Russia or Maoist China. If conservatives had their way we would probably all be living in Nazi Germany or something similar. This is what I honestly genuinely believe.
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Well (shaking my head), that's just crazy talk. I have a bit more faith in humanity than that, only the few humans that want totalitarian government want it because they believe they would be the ones in power. IMHO, most people just want to be able to WORK for a comfortable place with enough food and security to raise their family's and live out a full healthy life and watch that dream perpetuated by their offspring. Which when you consider this beautiful planet and it abundance isn't a lot to ask. It runs off the rails because of a few that want more, more than they can possibly use, more opulence than most of humanity can even imagine, more power, more control … more … more … more, until there ISN'T enough for everyone else to realize their humble dreams.

So "I" honestly genuinely believe … you … are … WRONG!

But you do force the interesting observation that pure liberalism and pure conservatism is BAD. It's when we compromise that the most of humanity is best served; "I" honestly genuinely believe that.
 
CentristFascist said:
They are what? Like 0.1% of the global population? HORAY FOR LIBERTARIANS THEN! Maybe we need LibertarianMan to come and save the world because it seriously is in dire need of saving!
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I gather you werent actually interested in a debate?
 
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