Trumpsters will still support Trump even if compromised by Russia!

StuPedaso said:

No one is questioning the last election, either it's legitimacy or that it was stolen. What is in question is why is tRump filling Putin's wish list, debasing Nato and all of our European allies, undermining all of our national organizations - FBI - CIA - Justice - News Media, trying to end sanctions and legitimizing Russia's take over of Crimea.



Without McConnel's cooperation, which was refused, President Obama's hands were tied, if he'd have done more it would have appeared he was trying to meddle in the election.

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It’s neat how Obama is never responsible for anything.

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It’s neat how Obama is never responsible for anything.

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I don't think anyone's saying that. But you would accuse him of everything wrong in the world if you could get away with it.

By popular vote he was the best President in most peoples memory; that says a lot. A lot you will never destroy with your constant propaganda.

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Back to the topic at hand I agree:

By design or because he's a narcissistic fool or something in-between … Trump is ****ing dangerous, flat out dangerous; to ALL AmeriCANs and These United States.

Chomsky said:

To the bolded:

Exactly. The GOP as we knew them, and the Conservatives as we knew them, are gone.

All that's left, is Trump vs anti-Trump.

But I am proud as hell of the Dems & Liberals, I'll tell you that! :thumbs:

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I love this, it’s not about Dems vs Repubs but Dems really are just the best.

Checkerboard Strangler said:

If someone like Kasich, or Rand Paul, or Mitt Romney, had won the election, 70 percent of the acrimony here wouldn't exist.
If someone like Kasich, or Rand Paul, or Mitt Romney, had won the election, and WE had done OUR duty and kept the Senate majority, NINETY percent of the acrimony here wouldn't exist.

Sure, people on our side would gripe or grumble because they're not our guys but so what?
At least they are NORMAL people, at least they have some shred of a conscience, and some ethics.

I know, you probably don't believe that, but it's my honest feelings on this anyway.
Maybe a show of hands...how many others agree with the above statement?

Anyone? ANYONE? Bueller? BUELLER?

This isn't even about liberals versus conservatives or Dems versus GOP anymore.
Trump is ****ing dangerous, flat out dangerous.
And he's dangerous for BOTH sides.

The guy is literally lighting off M-80's in a gas station.

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I agree with this post completely. I would never have voted for Romney, Paul or kaisch. But at least they were sane. I don't want to understate this but......

Trump is a real and present danger to our system of government

X Factor said:

I love this, it’s not about Dems vs Repubs but Dems really are just the best.

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I made a conscious effort tonight, in the name of my passed Air Force Father, to pray for President Pence. I mean that in the most genuine way I can say it to you. He represents everything that I know you to consider to be Holy with our Creator. That’s where we are right now imo.

I mentioned General Dunford to another. We have incredible Americans who represent the best of what we’ve always been. We’re going to get through this. We always do.

Tomorrow I’ll tell you about our Charolais beef, gorgeous on the pasture/sky silhouette. Then we can start putting this back together and start loving each other.

X Factor said:

I love this, it’s not about Dems vs Repubs but Dems really are just the best.

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Well, the Conservatives and Republicans - as we knew them - are gone.

Chomsky said:

Well, the Conservatives and Republicans - as we knew them - are gone.

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Yeah, they actually fight your vaunted Dems now. You’re ok with conservatism just so long as it doesn’t actually have any influence.

Chomsky said:

Well, the Conservatives and Republicans - as we knew them - are gone.

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They've been gone for a loooong time, my friend.

When Reagan and Gingrich took over the GOP, it never regained sanity.

Checkerboard Strangler said:

If someone like Kasich, or Rand Paul, or Mitt Romney, had won the election, 70 percent of the acrimony here wouldn't exist.
If someone like Kasich, or Rand Paul, or Mitt Romney, had won the election, and WE had done OUR duty and kept the Senate majority, NINETY percent of the acrimony here wouldn't exist.

Sure, people on our side would gripe or grumble because they're not our guys but so what?
At least they are NORMAL people, at least they have some shred of a conscience, and some ethics.

I know, you probably don't believe that, but it's my honest feelings on this anyway.
Maybe a show of hands...how many others agree with the above statement?

Anyone? ANYONE? Bueller? BUELLER?

This isn't even about liberals versus conservatives or Dems versus GOP anymore.
Trump is ****ing dangerous, flat out dangerous.
And he's dangerous for BOTH sides.

The guy is literally lighting off M-80's in a gas station.

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Sorry to rain on the parade, but Romney and Paul share 99% of Trump's vision.

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Yeah, they actually fight your vaunted Dems now. You’re ok with conservatism just so long as it doesn’t actually have any influence.

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Besides religious conservatism, and support for the 2nd, no I haven't seen much conservatism from the GOP lately.

The GOP is now the party of Trump. Conservatives need not apply ...

MovingPictures said:

They've been gone for a loooong time, my friend.

When Reagan and Gingrich took over the GOP, it never regained sanity.

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The brand of Republicans I was fine with were the old Rockefeller Republicans, in the Northeast. They really weren't too far off from the old JFK Dems, to be honest. Then Reagan, Trickle Down, Christian Right, War on Drugs, and NeoCon reared their ugly heads. It hasn't been the same since.

Now we have Trump Authoritarian Nationalism ...

Chomsky said:

The brand of Republicans I was fine with were the old Rockefeller Republicans, in the Northeast. They really weren't too far off from the old JFK Dems, to be honest. Then Reagan, Trickle Down, Christian Right, War on Drugs, and NeoCon reared their ugly heads. It hasn't been the same since.

Now we have Trump Authoritarian Nationalism ...

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I used to hear right-wing members I talked to another forum constantly say "I didn't leave the Democratic party, the Democratic party left me!" a la' Reagan.

That's exactly how number of people I know today feel about the Republican party. They've become so extreme and radical that pretty soon, they're going to lose serious elections in places they won't be able to regain power for a very long time - if ever.

MovingPictures said:

I used to hear right-wing members I talked to another forum constantly say "I didn't leave the Democratic party, the Democratic party left me!" a la' Reagan.

That's exactly how number of people I know today feel about the Republican party. They've become so extreme and radical that pretty soon, they're going to lose serious elections in places they won't be able to regain power for a very long time - if ever.

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I'm not Right Wing, but I'll be damned if the bolded is not how I feel.

But now I'm back, mainly Trump induced, though I'm finding I'm getting a little excited about the flood of newcomers into the party as local candidates. What Conner Lamb did in PA was phenomenal. And now we've got a democratic-socialist in NY, and a transgender in VA. Interesting days!

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Trying to undermine the legitimacy of our last presidential election as Haters have done since the election has the potential to do far more damage than refusing to perpetuate the lie that the election was “stolen.” In fact, why would you ever let your enemy think they’re just so dang effective?

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So far I have only seen Trump and his supporters making that claim about Democrats. I have yet to see a Democrat make that claim.

Chomsky said:

I'm not Right Wing, but I'll be damned if the bolded is not how I feel.

But now I'm back, mainly Trump induced, though I'm finding I'm getting a little excited about the flood of newcomers into the party as local candidates. What Conner Lamb did in PA was phenomenal. And now we've got a democratic-socialist in NY, and a transgender in VA. Interesting days!

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I grew-up in a Republican home as an Independent that was willing to listen to both sides of the aisle. I've never identified with one party, but the Republican party has forced me into the Democratic tent.

A friend of mine once said that when it comes to Democrats vs Republicans, "one is ****ty, the other is dangerous", and that's exactly how I see it now.

PS: Ohio-12 ain't looking too good for Republicans either.

MovingPictures said:

I grew-up in a Republican home as an Independent that was willing to listen to both sides of the aisle. I've never identified with one party, but the Republican party has forced me into the Democratic tent.

A friend of mine once said that when it comes to Democrats vs Republicans, "one is ****ty, the other is dangerous", and that's exactly how I see it now.

PS: Ohio-12 ain't looking too good for Republicans either.

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Interesting. So that's two of us, right here.

I bet there's a few more of us around the country. And I bet quite a few of those are motivated to vote in the midterms.

MovingPictures said:

I grew-up in a Republican home as an Independent that was willing to listen to both sides of the aisle. I've never identified with one party, but the Republican party has forced me into the Democratic tent.

A friend of mine once said that when it comes to Democrats vs Republicans, "one is ****ty, the other is dangerous", and that's exactly how I see it now.

PS: Ohio-12 ain't looking too good for Republicans either.

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Ah, now that I've got you here!

Do you have the link to that article from a week or so ago? The one you gave me? It was by the female academic that was predicting 42 Dem seats? I lost it.

Chomsky said:

Ah, now that I've got you here!

Do you have the link to that article from a week or so ago? The one you gave me? It was by the female academic that was predicting 42 Dem seats? I lost it.

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Your wish is my command.
The Judy Ford Wason Center for Public Policy

I personally think the numbers right now look like an absolute bloodbath for the GOP and they're only compounding their problems. The idea of confirming Kavanaugh in October and letting Putin visit the WH in October is just madness, as it will only fire-up liberals more just weeks before the election.

Ohio-12 will be a good benchmark of what they're in for. So far, the polls show an incredibly close race in a district the GOP won with twice as many votes as the last DNC challenger, leading now only by three or four points. If they lose or if its close, that will signal a wave election bigger than even 06'.

Chomsky said:

Interesting. So that's two of us, right here.

I bet there's a few more of us around the country. And I bet quite a few of those are motivated to vote in the midterms.

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My parents are with us!

They voted GOP their whole life, until the Iraq war happened, then they voted once for the Democrats in hopes the war would end. Then they voted for Romney because of what they were told about Obamacare.

The funny part? They've become more liberal and secular than me in these past four years.

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Yeah, they actually fight your vaunted Dems now. You’re ok with conservatism just so long as it doesn’t actually have any influence.

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The problem with that analysis is that it simply represents a radically slanted view of politics and society and nothing more. Conservatives ALWAYS had an impact. Conservatives used to be deficit hawks and they were effective at being deficit hawks. Do you really think they were not effective at tamping down the deficit all those years? Do you really think they allowed the deficit to just go right off the cliff edge. No, they did not! They used to be the staunchest supporters of the Military AND Military personnel like Veterans. Do you really think they had no impact. They would never have even considered privatizing the Veterans Administration and putting the wholly unqualified Dr Jackson in charge of the Vet. Now it took dems to stop the Jackson nonsense.

But it should have been anticipated if by nothing else, the American citizen's general loss of understanding for the English Language. Here is an example. How often do you hear Americans say about somebody...."I hate XYZ".... Really???? Do you know how strong a word hate is? Do you actually know what hate is? If we actually hated all the people we say we hate in this country given the number of guns in the country instead of going out the door in the morning for work, we would be going out the door to shoot people every single day or our lives....all of us, not just some of us. the only people that would not be shooting up the place under those circumstances would be quadriplegics and somebody would likely invent a means for them to shoot up the neighborhood too.

You have to be about my age to remember a time when Americans actually understood the words they spoke, the words of their own Native tongue. Surely, technology has silo-ed Americans up but that process was well on its way because we have adopted the language of the extreme, simply unwilling to maintain a broad enough vocabulary to express anything more than the extreme. Great job Americans. You can go back to pounding out nonsense texts on your smartphones now. That is getting to be all we are good for.

It has gotten so bad that we have put into the WH a President with the language skills, the breath of vocabulary skills of a mid-20th century 12 year old.

X Factor said:

Trying to undermine the legitimacy of our last presidential election as Haters have done since the election has the potential to do far more damage than refusing to perpetuate the lie that the election was “stolen.” In fact, why would you ever let your enemy think they’re just so dang effective?

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Unfortunately, truth is truth. Russia did help Trump get elected and what Trump needs to do is "get over it" and not let his EGO prevent him from doing what needs to be done. Actually, if he did that it would have a positive effect in changing people's mind that he is NOT Putin's puppet. It would actually have the effect of saying to all of us that he has the ability to go above the kind of a person we think he is.

The reality is that he is not much of a man to begin with. He is what Putin saw in him to begin with. Someone that can be manipulated and without a spine. Most bullies are people without a real spine.

Checkerboard Strangler said:

If someone like Kasich, or Rand Paul, or Mitt Romney, had won the election, 70 percent of the acrimony here wouldn't exist.
If someone like Kasich, or Rand Paul, or Mitt Romney, had won the election, and WE had done OUR duty and kept the Senate majority, NINETY percent of the acrimony here wouldn't exist.

Sure, people on our side would gripe or grumble because they're not our guys but so what?
At least they are NORMAL people, at least they have some shred of a conscience, and some ethics.

I know, you probably don't believe that, but it's my honest feelings on this anyway.
Maybe a show of hands...how many others agree with the above statement?

Anyone? ANYONE? Bueller? BUELLER?

This isn't even about liberals versus conservatives or Dems versus GOP anymore.
Trump is ****ing dangerous, flat out dangerous.
And he's dangerous for BOTH sides.

The guy is literally lighting off M-80's in a gas station.

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Your statement about this no longer being about Republicans and Democrats is spot on.

This is about Trump, the man and his lack of morals, ethics, principles, humanity, intelligence and inability to determine what is real and what is not. This is way beyond Party, it is now a fight between Good and Evil and those on Trump's side are doing the Devil's job.

Simple as that!

Most of the reason Trumplicans support Trump is because of this ideological war they insist on continuing to fight though its already lost. Its lost on birth rates for one thing.

And as for my comments about language, your language IS your culture you ignorant fools. Sociologists down through ages have told us that once you give up your language, your vocabulary, you are done and White Americans gave up their language and vocabulary of their own volition. I am not talking about offering Spanish language alternatives. THAT had nothing to do with it. White Americans out of their own laziness and ignorance gave up their own language and broad vocabulary all by themselves. YOU substituted the language of the extreme because it was EASY.

So don't expect me to think YOUR little cultural war is anything more than a race war when you gave up your most precious asset without a fight, without even a whimper, without even knowing you were giving it up. Run your trash by somebody else...you won't make much headway with me.

MovingPictures said:

Your wish is my command.

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Great. Would you please float me seven figures cash, flexible payment arrangements? :2razz:

The Judy Ford Wason Center for Public Policy

I personally think the numbers right now look like an absolute bloodbath for the GOP and they're only compounding their problems. The idea of confirming Kavanaugh in October and letting Putin visit the WH in October is just madness, as it will only fire-up liberals more just weeks before the election.

Ohio-12 will be a good benchmark of what they're in for. So far, the polls show an incredibly close race in a district the GOP won with twice as many votes as the last DNC challenger, leading now only by three or four points. If they lose or if its close, that will signal a wave election bigger than even 06'.

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Yeah, I'm coming around more & more to the Wave possibility.

Her theory may work, due to her factoring in the extreme polarization of the electorate, and the new Trumpian concept of eschewing broadening your base, for playing to your hardcore base in order to stimulate turnout.

However, I can't say this will work in 2020 for Trump though. I think if he continues down his current path he will lose too many Indies to prevail then. But this hardcore base turnout thing is likely the method to succeed in the midterms, which are all about base turnout to begin with.

Also, I'm very encouraged seeing the Generic Congressional Ballot steadily rising for the Dems, since it's low of 3-1/2pts back around April or so. It's now just passed 8pts, and seems to be trending upward. But more importantly, and dovetailing into Judy Wason's theory, is the Dems are apparently enjoying a huge voter enthusiasm advantage! Every poll I've seen claims double digit differences, with some pushing 20 pts! Yow! We've got to remember that in recent history the midterm enthusiasm gap has always favored the Repubs, by anywhere from 6-10 points, and it resulted in large Repub gains. So we are apparently seeing an enthusiasm gap swing of 16 to mid-20 points. That is freaking huge! I mean, really huge!

It is due to this enthusiasm-differential direction & magnitude change, along with giving some credence to the possibility of Wason's theory prevailing, that I now am wiling to believe there could indeed be a substantial Blue Wave, and it may even be epochal.

We're in uncharted territory now, in the polarized Trumpian world. We are heading into the unknown. So I'm still going to still cautiously claim a Dem floor of a close pick-up of the House. But I'm willing to accept that a large Blue wave may indeed be coming, and I will not at all be surprised if it indeed arrives.

Thanks again for the Wason article, and I hope you don't mind me sharing it if the opportunity presents itself. I already have a reply where I'd like to reference it.

TL;DR I think I'm becoming a believer

X Factor said:

Trying to undermine the legitimacy of our last presidential election as Haters have done since the election has the potential to do far more damage than refusing to perpetuate the lie that the election was “stolen.” In fact, why would you ever let your enemy think they’re just so dang effective?

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Who is talking about the election? We are talking about the treasonous actions by theis president once he took office and now the same treasonous actions by his followers.