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"When the old way has been proven not to work you have to try something new.
Everyone understands this intuitively, [FONT=&quot]except for people whose prestige and salary and identity and power depend upon the old way.
Those people will never understand it no matter how hard you try. So they have to go. It is not about old people or young people—it is about new ideas. We need people running the Democratic Party who will try new ideas because the old ideas have gotten us to where we are today, which is unacceptable. This is not a radical concept. It is common sense."[/FONT]

Nancy Pelosi.
Chuck Schumer.
The Clintons.
The Kennedys.
The faithful leaders we have known so long.
We thank you for your service.
Now get out.

---When we stand on top of the mountain of Democratic Party failure and survey the landscape, it is impossible to ignore all the good people struggling to climb to the top.
They know it's a mountain of failure. The numbers are emblazoned across the north face of the slope:
2010, 2014, 2016.

They also know, however, that there's gold in them thar hills and the only thing that stands in the way of them setting up camp and digging in are the stakeholders who've been sitting on all that ore and squandering it for ages.
The calls for single payer health care or a reasonable equivalent, world class education that's affordable for anyone, worker rights and protection, consumer protection, the environment, interfaith dialogue, a meeting of the minds across racial and cultural divides, women's rights, marriage equality, upward mobility, all of these have been answered with a kind of glad-handing okey doke reminiscent of a used car salesman.
Used car salesmen don't refine that ore into gold and buy the things that will sustain the Democratic community.
Used care salesmen used that gold to make pinky rings for themselves.
Because our elite Democratic leadership isn't interested in fighting for those things.

No, not really...there is no way that a party could have been fighting hard for these things for over four decades and see them casually erased by a pack of jingoistic feral malcontents in the space of eighteen months.
No way unless that elite leadership maybe ignored the warning signs and didn't push back when they needed to.
People whose prestige and salary and identity and power depend upon the old way.
That's our Democratic elites, and they need to go.
 
"When the old way has been proven not to work you have to try something new.
Everyone understands this intuitively, [FONT="][B]except for people whose prestige and salary and identity and power depend upon the old way.[/B]
[/FONT]Those people will never understand it no matter how hard you try. So they have to go. It is not about old people or young people—it is about new ideas. We need people running the Democratic Party who will try new ideas because the old ideas have gotten us to where we are today, which is unacceptable. This is not a radical concept. It is common sense."[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#1D2129][FONT=Helvetica]Nancy Pelosi.
Chuck Schumer.
The Clintons.
The Kennedys.
The faithful leaders we have known so long.
We thank you for your service.
[URL="https://splinternews.com/out-with-the-old-1827692070"]Now get out.[/URL]

---When we stand on top of the mountain of Democratic Party failure and survey the landscape, it is impossible to ignore all the good people struggling to climb to the top.
They know it's a mountain of failure. The numbers are emblazoned across the north face of the slope:
2010, 2014, 2016.

They also know, however, that there's gold in them thar hills and the only thing that stands in the way of them setting up camp and digging in are the stakeholders who've been sitting on all that ore and squandering it for ages.
The calls for single payer health care or a reasonable equivalent, world class education that's affordable for anyone, worker rights and protection, consumer protection, the environment, interfaith dialogue, a meeting of the minds across racial and cultural divides, women's rights, marriage equality, upward mobility, all of these have been answered with a kind of glad-handing okey doke reminiscent of a used car salesman.
Used car salesmen don't refine that ore into gold and buy the things that will sustain the Democratic community.
Used care salesmen used that gold to make pinky rings for themselves.
Because our elite Democratic leadership isn't interested in fighting for those things.

No, not really...there is no way that a party could have been fighting hard for these things for over four decades and see them casually erased by a pack of jingoistic feral malcontents in the space of eighteen months.
No way unless that elite leadership maybe ignored the warning signs and didn't push back when they needed to.
People whose prestige and salary and identity and power depend upon the old way.
That's our Democratic elites, and they need to go.


What did you think when Joe Lieberman said that Ocasio-Cortez’s victory “seems likely to hurt Congress, America and the Democratic Party?"
 
It is not about old people or young people—it is about new ideas.

Ideas are not the problem. Hillary Clinton was advocating single-payer health care in 1993 when this Cortez woman was still trying to learn how to ride a bicycle. Perception is the problem. If Democrats want to consider themselves the party of youth, attract young voters, and be perceived as progressive it would help to have leaders who reflect that generation.
 
Ideas are not the problem. Hillary Clinton was advocating single-payer health care in 1993 when this Cortez woman was still trying to learn how to ride a bicycle. Perception is the problem. If Democrats want to consider themselves the party of youth, attract young voters, and be perceived as progressive it would help to have leaders who reflect that generation.

but citizens also need to realize that the advocacy by HRC for all things health care really means that she was waaaaaaaaaaay ahead of her time; Americans are too stupid to realize that, and even too embarrassed to admit it.
I always said Americans are ****ing stupid; they don't know a good thing when they got it & then some times they just want **** sitting in The Oval Office too.
 
Ideas are not the problem. Hillary Clinton was advocating single-payer health care in 1993 when this Cortez woman was still trying to learn how to ride a bicycle. Perception is the problem.
Perception is not the problem. Follow-through is.
 
Greetings, trixare4kids. :2wave:

I did wonder what Lieberman was talking about! I have always liked him, and he did not deserve how his party treated him, IMO! Good for him on not giving up - :applaud:
 
What did you think when Joe Lieberman said that Ocasio-Cortez’s victory “seems likely to hurt Congress, America and the Democratic Party?"

Joe Lieberman is for all practical purposes, a Republican.
He is one of the two bricks that threw himself through the picture window to stop negotiations for a public option during the health care talks in 2009.

During debate on the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, as the crucial 60th vote needed to pass the legislation, Lieberman's opposition to the public option was critical for its removal from the resulting bill.

He's not even in Congress anymore. Know why? Because the Democratic voters finally realized that he was serving the Republicans and they voted him out.

You're not a Democrat, so why are you interested?
 
I agree that the Democratic top brass has to go. FFS, look what has happened on their watch. It's time to build the bench with great candidates and new leadership.
 
Ideas are not the problem. Hillary Clinton was advocating single-payer health care in 1993 when this Cortez woman was still trying to learn how to ride a bicycle. Perception is the problem. If Democrats want to consider themselves the party of youth, attract young voters, and be perceived as progressive it would help to have leaders who reflect that generation.

But we know the reason why it got killed off, too.
It wasn't JUST Republicans who voted against it.
BTW, the one surviving remnant, and the reason I cannot ever HATE Hillary, is S-CHIP, and S-CHIP is the reason my son is alive today.
 
"When the old way has been proven not to work you have to try something new.
Everyone understands this intuitively, [FONT="][B]except for people whose prestige and salary and identity and power depend upon the old way.[/B]
[/FONT]Those people will never understand it no matter how hard you try. So they have to go. It is not about old people or young people—it is about new ideas. We need people running the Democratic Party who will try new ideas because the old ideas have gotten us to where we are today, which is unacceptable. This is not a radical concept. It is common sense."[/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#1D2129][FONT=Helvetica]Nancy Pelosi.
Chuck Schumer.
The Clintons.
The Kennedys.
The faithful leaders we have known so long.
We thank you for your service.
[URL="https://splinternews.com/out-with-the-old-1827692070"]Now get out.[/URL]

---When we stand on top of the mountain of Democratic Party failure and survey the landscape, it is impossible to ignore all the good people struggling to climb to the top.
They know it's a mountain of failure. The numbers are emblazoned across the north face of the slope:
2010, 2014, 2016.

They also know, however, that there's gold in them thar hills and the only thing that stands in the way of them setting up camp and digging in are the stakeholders who've been sitting on all that ore and squandering it for ages.
The calls for single payer health care or a reasonable equivalent, world class education that's affordable for anyone, worker rights and protection, consumer protection, the environment, interfaith dialogue, a meeting of the minds across racial and cultural divides, women's rights, marriage equality, upward mobility, all of these have been answered with a kind of glad-handing okey doke reminiscent of a used car salesman.
Used car salesmen don't refine that ore into gold and buy the things that will sustain the Democratic community.
Used care salesmen used that gold to make pinky rings for themselves.
Because our elite Democratic leadership isn't interested in fighting for those things.

No, not really...there is no way that a party could have been fighting hard for these things for over four decades and see them casually erased by a pack of jingoistic feral malcontents in the space of eighteen months.
No way unless that elite leadership maybe ignored the warning signs and didn't push back when they needed to.
People whose prestige and salary and identity and power depend upon the old way.
That's our Democratic elites, and they need to go.


I agree. Y'all need to clean the cruddy swamp dwellers out of your Party. But be warned...it's VERY hard to do. And be very careful what you replace them with. You may regret it.
 
Greetings, trixare4kids. :2wave:

I did wonder what Lieberman was talking about! I have always liked him, and he did not deserve how his party treated him, IMO! Good for him on not giving up - :applaud:

Sorry but he deserved every bit of it and more.
The Public Option would have filled in to help people and the ACA would have been a much better piece of legislation with it.
Thanks to Joe Lieberman, it never had a chance.

Joe Lieberman is one of the main reasons WHY the Affordable Care Act was flawed.
 
I agree. Y'all need to clean the cruddy swamp dwellers out of your Party. But be warned...it's VERY hard to do. And be very careful what you replace them with. You may regret it.

Thank you and I take that very seriously.
Much respect. I am aware of what you're saying and I acknowledge that it's extremely difficult but it is necessary.
 
but citizens also need to realize that the advocacy by HRC for all things health care really means that she was waaaaaaaaaaay ahead of her time; Americans are too stupid to realize that, and even too embarrassed to admit it.
I always said Americans are ****ing stupid; they don't know a good thing when they got it & then some times they just want **** sitting in The Oval Office too.

The people who fought Hillary tooth and nail on health care weren't JUST Republicans.
Many of the same moribund and self serving people my article referred to sat right in those chairs and helped Newt and his team shoot it down back then.
 
It's all in the article, folks. Just click the mofo and read it:

"Any honest appraisal of the Democratic Party as an institution must concede this basic point:
It’s failed. Not in every race, or every district, or on every issue, but as an institution committed to ideals like equality of opportunity and equality under the law and progressive economics and strong public institutions that serve everyone and the effective functioning of our democracy in a way that reflects the will of our changing population, the party has failed.
It has been the losing participant in a decades-long battle to move our government to the right, a battle that the right has won and continues to win. And many of the Democratic Party’s electoral successes have been achieved by moving to the right itself.
No serious person can deny that the party today is thoroughly unmoored from its ideals."
 
The people who fought Hillary tooth and nail on health care weren't JUST Republicans.
Many of the same moribund and self serving people my article referred to sat right in those chairs and helped Newt and his team shoot it down back then.

yes, I am aware of that but look at those same people that were on HRC's side of the aisle then

now many have changed their tune but ............ oh **** ...........
 
yes, I am aware of that but look at those same people that were on HRC's side of the aisle then

now many have changed their tune but ............ oh **** ...........

And to her credit she predicted a lot of the hot mess we're in now WRT health care, even back then.
I know, I get it :)

But still, at this point, we're not going to hitch our horses to another Hillary run, she is now obsolete and damaged, and unfortunately so is Bernie Sanders, at least as a POTUS candidate. I've NO desire to do a repeat.
And I think a growing number of people feel the same way. The sales window on old candidates and old approaches needs to close.

And look at it this way, this also DENIES the Republicans the easy way out, you know, recycle all the old agitprop and all the old attacks?
Nope, don't give them the opportunity to "phone to Moscow" to get their recycled Bannon blessed talking points.
 
And to her credit she predicted a lot of the hot mess we're in now WRT health care, even back then.
I know, I get it :)

But still, at this point, we're not going to hitch our horses to another Hillary run, she is now obsolete and damaged, and unfortunately so is Bernie Sanders, at least as a POTUS candidate. I've NO desire to do a repeat.
And I think a growing number of people feel the same way. The sales window on old candidates and old approaches needs to close.

And look at it this way, this also DENIES the Republicans the easy way out, you know, recycle all the old agitprop and all the old attacks?
Nope, don't give them the opportunity to "phone to Moscow" to get their recycled Bannon blessed talking points.

The American average citizen won't hold their candidate to any standard; they just keep re-electing the same ole **** even when said politician screws up as big as possible.

politicians know how to play the voters & they have been doing it forever.

the voters are too lazy, too careless, and too stupid; they are Americans after all ........... and the politicians know this ........
 
The American average citizen won't hold their candidate to any standard; they just keep re-electing the same ole **** even when said politician screws up as big as possible.

politicians know how to play the voters & they have been doing it forever.

the voters are too lazy, too careless, and too stupid; they are Americans after all ........... and the politicians know this ........

That's the reason articles like this are important.

That's also the reason why that other article, "The Democratic Party is Yours. Just Take It." are also important.
Of course, if you want to remain defeatist, that's an option, I guess :roll:

But that's not how I roll.
 
Not only that but I am fed up with bantering about how screwed up Trump is.
The people who know he is, know he is.
The people who refuse to see it, refuse to see it.
I could man a phone bank for three weeks.

Number of minds changed? ZERO, at least among the Trump faithful.
The independents want to know what the Democrats are offering, and if it's the same old same old, the Hillarys, the Chuck and Nancy Show, then they're not interested either.

So instead of spending time here arguing about Trump with a bunch of people whose main mission in life is to gloat about "pissing off libturds", I think I'd much rather devote energy to talking about what Democrats can offer.
 
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