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How can conservatives be against socialism?

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Socalists are not communists... Most socialists absolutely despise communists because they are two completely different political ideologies!
Socialism is only an economic system while communism is both an economic and political system.... Socialists can own personal properties while communists can not.. Socialism allows capitalism to exist in its midst (the private sector etc) and own private property. While communism seeks to get rid of all capitalism and every corporate entity essentially.
Also Russia's/ a lot of European governments fundamentally essentially are a cross Capitalist/Socialist system and it works pretty decently for the people there.
 
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CentristFascist said:
Socalists are not communists... Most socialists absolutely despise communists because they are two completely different political ideologies!
Socialism is only an economic system while communism is both an economic and political system.... Socialists can own personal properties while communists can not.. Socialism allows capitalism to exist in its midst (the private sector etc) and own private property. While communism seeks to get rid of all capitalism and every corporate entity essentially.
Also Russia's/ a lot of European governments fundamentally essentially are a cross Capitalist/Socialist system and it works pretty decently for the people there.
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Simply wrong

Here is a basic definition of socialism, "any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods. a system of society or group living in which there is no private property"

Socialism | Definition of Socialism by Merriam-Webster
 
Crovax said:
Simply wrong

Here is a basic definition of socialism, "a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole"
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I am sorry to inform you,

That is "simply wrong"... That is the basic definition of communism before you post incorrect responses like this search up the definitions of both words on google mate.
Here is my evidence and sources to substantiated/back up my claims: Difference between Socialism and Communism | Difference Between
 
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CentristFascist said:
Socalists are not communists... Most socialists absolutely despise communists because they are two completely different political ideologies!
Socialism is only an economic system while communism is both an economic and political system.... Socialists can own personal properties while communists can not.. Socialism allows capitalism to exist in its midst (the private sector etc) and own private property. While communism seeks to get rid of all capitalism and every corporate entity essentially.
Also Russia's/ a lot of European governments fundamentally essentially are a cross Capitalist/Socialist system and it works pretty decently for the people there.
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Maybe because they associate socialism with the totalitarianism of the USSR which purports to call itself socialist as does the Nazis, neither of which are the kind of socialism been called for by Democratic Socialist Bernie Sanders
 
I actually didn't mind Bernie Sanders he was too partial to radical leftism for me. Although saying that he still would have been a better President of the United States of America then the Trumpet!
 
CentristFascist said:
I am sorry to inform you,

That is "simply wrong"... That is the basic definition of communism before you post incorrect responses like this search up the definitions of both words on google mate.
Here is my evidence and sources to substantiated/back up my claims: Difference between Socialism and Communism | Difference Between
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any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.

a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

Socialism | Definition of Socialism by Merriam-Webster
 
Crovax said:
any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.

a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

Socialism | Definition of Socialism by Merriam-Webster
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You are misinterpreting and fundamentally misunderstanding what socialism actually entails and what it would be like in practise! Just because you have too much freedom to go and be racist and call an African the N word or have too much freedom to call all conservatives nazis... Now this doesn't mean your system of government and constitutional system is at all correct or logical sir does it? Most human beings don't have this need and the ones who do are attention seekers mate!
 
CentristFascist said:
I am sorry to inform you,

That is "simply wrong"... That is the basic definition of communism before you post incorrect responses like this search up the definitions of both words on google mate.
Here is my evidence and sources to substantiated/back up my claims: Difference between Socialism and Communism | Difference Between
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When it comes to defining, the other poster's Merriam-Webster source is far more authoritative than the differencebetween[SUP](dot)[/SUP]net source.
 
And wheres the fundamental evidence substantiating your opinion? Has Stephen Hawking declared Merriam-Webster has precedence and authority over difference between or? Which qualified individual and expert has made this determination exactly?
 
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And wheres the fundamental evidence substantiating your opinion? Has Stephen Hawking declared Merriam-Webster has precedence and authority over difference between or? Which qualified individual and expert has made this determination exactly?
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The fact that you think a theoretical physicist is a qualified expert at political science shows that maybe you need to take a look at your perspective
 
I am sorry you do not understand the difference between the sources or realize that the difference between the two really doesn't matter as both are anathema.
 
CentristFascist said:
Socalists are not communists... Most socialists absolutely despise communists because they are two completely different political ideologies!
Socialism is only an economic system while communism is both an economic and political system.... Socialists can own personal properties while communists can not.. Socialism allows capitalism to exist in its midst (the private sector etc) and own private property. While communism seeks to get rid of all capitalism and every corporate entity essentially.
Also Russia's/ a lot of European governments fundamentally essentially are a cross Capitalist/Socialist system and it works pretty decently for the people there.
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You will make some heads explode with this topic.

Cool.
 
CentristFascist said:
Socalists are not communists... Most socialists absolutely despise communists because they are two completely different political ideologies!
Socialism is only an economic system while communism is both an economic and political system.... Socialists can own personal properties while communists can not.. Socialism allows capitalism to exist in its midst (the private sector etc) and own private property. While communism seeks to get rid of all capitalism and every corporate entity essentially.
Also Russia's/ a lot of European governments fundamentally essentially are a cross Capitalist/Socialist system and it works pretty decently for the people there.
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Conservativism is about valuing tradition. This country was founded on Liberalism and is essentially the root ideology of American Conservatism (although twisted by religion, once they recognize the importance of separation of church and state they will largely be in line with classical Liberalism). Socialism and all other forms of collectivism (fascism, communism, etc) are antithetical to the idea of the primacy of individual liberty and limited government.
 
CentristFascist said:
You are misinterpreting and fundamentally misunderstanding what socialism actually entails and what it would be like in practise! Just because you have too much freedom to go and be racist and call an African the N word or have too much freedom to call all conservatives nazis... Now this doesn't mean your system of government and constitutional system is at all correct or logical sir does it? Most human beings don't have this need and the ones who do are attention seekers mate!
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Conservatives were for the American Revolution, but against the French Revolution.
The reason for that, was that the French Revolution was murderous populism without safety features against tyranny. Due process, individual responsibility, presumption of innocence, the right to a fair trial were all abolished in the name of convenience, because the Monarchy was bad. Priests were murdered in their hundreds and everything they owned confiscated with the rationale that hundreds of years earlier, the Church had oppressed the people (which it had). Even though he is one of the great mass murderers of history, the French would eventually welcome Napoleon because he was such an improvement. Just like Germany would later welcome Hitler after the Weimar Republic.

Does any of this sound familiar? Is there any resonance with certain trends the radical left is trying to promote, and how the right is stupidly reacting to it?
Conservatism doesn't reject something because it has a particular label. It takes a look at what it does, and if it is obviously insanely dangerous, it tends to reject it.
 
CentristFascist said:
Socalists are not communists... Most socialists absolutely despise communists because they are two completely different political ideologies!
Socialism is only an economic system while communism is both an economic and political system.... Socialists can own personal properties while communists can not.. Socialism allows capitalism to exist in its midst (the private sector etc) and own private property. While communism seeks to get rid of all capitalism and every corporate entity essentially.
Also Russia's/ a lot of European governments fundamentally essentially are a cross Capitalist/Socialist system and it works pretty decently for the people there.
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socialism and communism ARE ACTS OF FORCE on the individual citizen
 
Crovax said:
The fact that you think a theoretical physicist is a qualified expert at political science shows that maybe you need to take a look at your perspective
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That was a fundamental example, as in the sense if you are asking about Quantum physics/string theory you wouldn't ask your friend Mike across the street about how it all works... Seriously stop taking absolutely every single word I type absolutely literally to the point where political correctness and semantics are so important for you. You are just as bad as the left are mate in this insance.
 
Master PO said:
socialism and communism ARE ACTS OF FORCE on the individual citizen
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Not always, communism essentially is there's no disputing that. But in socialism they have it in lots of countries in Europe including Sweden and all it is is equal opportunity and access to important facilities e.g: hospitals, universities and etc nation wide for all citizens. How exactly is this a bad thing mate?
 
CentristFascist said:
That was a fundamental example, as in the sense if you are asking about Quantum physics/string theory you wouldn't ask your friend Mike across the street about how it all works... Seriously stop taking absolutely every single word I type absolutely literally to the point where political correctness and semantics are so important for you. You are just as bad as the left are mate in this insance.
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Im not sure if you see the irony in your statement. Merriam-Webster is a respected source used by pretty much every professional and "differencebetween.net" is something that your friend Mike across the street would use
 
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Im not sure if you see the irony in your statement. Merriam-Webster is a respected source used by pretty much every professional and "differencebetween.net" is something that your friend Mike across the street would use
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According to which qualified professional sir?
 
CentristFascist said:
Not always, communism essentially is there's no disputing that. But in socialism they have it in lots of countries in Europe including Sweden and all it is is equal opportunity and access to important facilities e.g: hospitals, universities and etc nation wide for all citizens. How exactly is this a bad thing mate?
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socialism and Communism are both collective

collectivism destroys individualism

collectivist governments are governments of force
 
Funny, you didn’t quote other items in the definition, which states there are many variations of socialism. Don’t worry, we won’t let Bernie require you to share your toothbrush.
 
All collectivism blows.
 
CentristFascist said:
Socalists are not communists... Most socialists absolutely despise communists because they are two completely different political ideologies!
Socialism is only an economic system while communism is both an economic and political system.... Socialists can own personal properties while communists can not.. Socialism allows capitalism to exist in its midst (the private sector etc) and own private property. While communism seeks to get rid of all capitalism and every corporate entity essentially.
Also Russia's/ a lot of European governments fundamentally essentially are a cross Capitalist/Socialist system and it works pretty decently for the people there.
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Russia is nothing like you just said. Putin has supplanted the giant corporate leaders via jail or murder and replaced them with his cronies who kiss his ass. It is a kleptocracy and he and his insider group are bleeding that country dry of it's wealth by pulling it all into their inner circle. Russia is not like European governments. It is a dictatorial farce. Or as John McCain put it, a gas station masquerading as a country.
 
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