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Scary Stat of the Day

That's not scary, that's simply people not believing everything that they're told without evidence. I thought that liberals always told us to question authority. Oh that's right, I guess they meant only every authority that isn't them.
 
phattonez said:
That's not scary, that's simply people not believing everything that they're told without evidence. I thought that liberals always told us to question authority. Oh that's right, I guess they meant only every authority that isn't them.
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Correction: that's simply people not believing evidence.
 
phattonez said:
That's not scary, that's simply people not believing everything that they're told without evidence. I thought that liberals always told us to question authority. Oh that's right, I guess they meant only every authority that isn't them.
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Maybe we should just get rid of the CIA and FBI since you don't believe them. We can just ask Putin for information.

Trump is an international joke. Republicans are now a joke.

Trump's days in office are numbered. It's only going to get much worse.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Maybe we should just get rid of the CIA and FBI since you don't believe them. We can just ask Putin for information.

Trump is an international joke. Republicans are now a joke.

Trump's days in office are numbered. It's only going to get much worse.
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And the CIA and FBI have been paragons of virtue, utterly without bias, right?

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phattonez said:
That's not scary, that's simply people not believing everything that they're told without evidence. I thought that liberals always told us to question authority. Oh that's right, I guess they meant only every authority that isn't them.
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It’s kind of about how one interprets “meddle”. I definitely believe that Russia (and other nations) took steps to choose sides in the election. I have no doubt that they engaged in various levels of propaganda dissemination. However, I don’t believe that any of that “meddling” had a material effect on the outcome of the election. After all, a political campaign is little more than dissemination of propaganda whether initiated by a political party, a political interest group or a foreign nation.

As an aside, I marvel at the fact that so many who advocate for the inclusion of “refugees” and illegal aliens on voting rolls also complain about Russia. I sincerely suspect that if Hillary had won we would have seen none of this outrage.
 
calamity said:
Meanwhile, 100% of the rest of us KNOW they did.
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Right now the US is attempting to interfere and meddle with the internal politics of Venezuela, Brazil, Ecuador, Peru, Salvador, the Philippines, Canada, Britain, Italy, Mongolia, Lithuania, Germany, Poland, The Cayman Islands, Mexico, most African nations, Israel, Iran, Morocco, Algeria and countless other sovereign nations. Very scary.

During the American Civil War, both Britain and France meddled in American politics.

During the American Revolution the French meddled in American politics for its own purposes, as did Spain, Poland and Lithuania.

Prior to WWII Winston Churchill openly meddled in American politics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEhiKNyPNeM

Baba Yaga, Baba Yaga!

Where would politicians in America be without boogeymen to raise the malleable specter of paranoia for the masses?

John Lennon asked "Don't the Russians also love their children?" Lennon-Lenin, yeah, I get it, and so did the FBI file on John and Yoko.
 
phattonez said:
And the CIA and FBI have been paragons of virtue, utterly without bias, right?
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Of course not but you don't exactly admit it on the world stage, right?

I might be different though because I wouldn't throw my country under the bus, I'd defend it.
 
americanwoman said:
Of course not but you don't exactly admit it on the world stage, right?

I might be different though because I wouldn't throw my country under the bus, I'd defend it.
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My country is the American people, not the FBI and CIA.
 
jimbo said:
Anytime 100% know something that has no basis in fact, it is scary.
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It’s sometimes hard to see what lies in front of one’s own nose...at least it is until you open your eyes.
 
calamity said:
It’s sometimes hard to see what lies in front of one’s own nose...at least it is until you open your eyes.
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Mirrors sometimes help. They're cheap and readily available.
 
americanwoman said:
They are both American agencies and like it or not are thought of outside the US as being "American". So when you are on the world stage, it does matter.
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If institutions are working against the will of the American people, then in no sense can I call those agencies American.
 
calamity said:
Correction: that's simply people not believing evidence.
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Nobody has seen any evidence yet.

We just have people's opinion of what happened.
 
phattonez said:
That's not scary, that's simply people not believing everything that they're told without evidence. I thought that liberals always told us to question authority. Oh that's right, I guess they meant only every authority that isn't them.
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Might be useful if you knew the def of liberal.
No Latin in college?
 
phattonez said:
If institutions are working against the will of the American people, then in no sense can I call those agencies American.
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Again, it's something you work out at home not abroad so the whole world sees your top intelligence agencies as weak.

And again, maybe you don't care if the whole world thinks we are a joke but I would stand up and step around it, like any politician worth themselves should be able to.
 
americanwoman said:
Again, it's something you work out at home not abroad so the whole world sees your top intelligence agencies as weak.
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So hypothetically, if the FBI and CIA were trying to oust the duly elected president, how should the president proceed? I'm not asking given the current situation, just strictly in the hypothetical sense. I don't want to debate what the FBI and CIA did or did not do.

And again, maybe you don't care if the whole world thinks we are a joke but I would stand up and step around it, like any politician worth themselves should be able to.
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I don't care if the whole world things that we're a joke. I'd rather have a government that works in the interest of the American people.
 
phattonez said:
So hypothetically, if the FBI and CIA were trying to oust the duly elected president, how should the president proceed? I'm not asking given the current situation, just strictly in the hypothetical sense. I don't want to debate what the FBI and CIA did or did not do.



I don't care if the whole world things that we're a joke. I'd rather have a government that works in the interest of the American people.
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Hypothetically, they should shut their mouth and wait to see what evidence they actually have.

The man doth protest too much.
 
americanwoman said:
Hypothetically, they should shut their mouth and wait to see what evidence they actually have.

The man doth protest too much.
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No way. If a president knows, you expect that president to just be quiet and trust the institutions to clean themselves up?
 
phattonez said:
No way. If a president knows, you expect that president to just be quiet and trust the institutions to clean themselves up?
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He then can go to Congress with his evidence and we can go from there.

Going on social media and trashing them just makes it looks like they do have something on him.
 
americanwoman said:
He then can go to Congress with his evidence and we can go from there.
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I agree on this and I think that this is already being done.

Going on social media and trashing them just makes it looks like they do have something on him.
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But if your intelligence agencies are actively subverting you, wouldn't it make sense to destroy their credibility? Why do you need to wait for a court decision if you already know that it's happening? Sure, you can point to the decision as proof, but in the meantime they're hitting you. What are you supposed to do about that?
 
phattonez said:
I agree on this and I think that this is already being done.



But if your intelligence agencies are actively subverting you, wouldn't it make sense to destroy their credibility? Why do you need to wait for a court decision if you already know that it's happening? Sure, you can point to the decision as proof, but in the meantime they're hitting you. What are you supposed to do about that?
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Good points. I think it's just always better to remain silent. You could swipe back but in a much more low key manner.
 
Lutherf said:
It’s kind of about how one interprets “meddle”. I definitely believe that Russia (and other nations) took steps to choose sides in the election. I have no doubt that they engaged in various levels of propaganda dissemination. However, I don’t believe that any of that “meddling” had a material effect on the outcome of the election. After all, a political campaign is little more than dissemination of propaganda whether initiated by a political party, a political interest group or a foreign nation.

As an aside, I marvel at the fact that so many who advocate for the inclusion of “refugees” and illegal aliens on voting rolls also complain about Russia. I sincerely suspect that if Hillary had won we would have seen none of this outrage.
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Can you actually prove that their efforts had no effect on the outcome of the election? No you can't. I read that the efforts in most experts opinions probably changes the vote by about 3% or enough to change the outcome of elections in enough states to have given Hillary not only the most votes but a win in the electoral college. The Russians efforts had two outcomes, it fired upp the GOP base and secondly it suppresses the Dem vote. So, no one can say it had no effect. And just so you know, the voting by illegal idea has been sutddied to death by the GOP and proved to bee a nothing burger.
 
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