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Democrats Dump Moderates, Move Far Left

PleasantValley said:
Kudos on your avatar, my friend. That was kind of you to do that.
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I have been updating it with my own 'wall of heroes' for the last 4-5 years...its just a personal thing...
 
Casper said:
Isn't that what the Repubs have done, get rid of most moderates, calling them RINO's and shouting down any that dare not toe the line. I think that you might want to take a good long look in the mirror before attempting to critic the other guys.
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Did I say that Republicans don't do it?
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Yawn.

Democratic Socialist and Democrats are two different things.

But you already knew that.

November clearly has some fake conservatives and Trump worshipers soiling themselves in fear.
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Democratic socialists are running as Democrats and winning.
 
OlNate said:
Thank you, LD, for giving the conservatives on the board something to wring their hands over today, other than how badly the president of the USA **** the bed yesterday. Seriously, this is therapeutic, not even doing to dispute the OP for being the inflammatory, ridiculous nonsense that it is. I won't begrudge you guys a safe space today. ;)
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I discuss the recent Trump events elsewhere.
 
Oborosen said:
I must admit, that poster sickens me more than just a little bit.

It basically says "we can come in and take your **** at gunpoint if we want" all over it.
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Which is literally the exact same thing as the far right believes, only they wrap it in terms of "patriotism" and promoting ethnic hatred.
 
OrphanSlug said:
My case for that would be based on his authoritarianism, he seems to speak to a group of voters who are looking for some sort of blend of 1950’s social conservative thinking with modern government economic presence. The overwhelming amount of his time in office so far has caused disruption and aided in our own political divisions. His tendency to engage more authoritarian governments leaning a way he seems to lean himself and also cause issues with some of our closest allies suggests Trump looks to the very authoritarianism we should be concerned about.

BTW, for the purposes of this discussion he speaks to those within the party that are extreme.
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You're confused that Trump ONLY speaks to the extreme in his party. I'm authoritarian by no stretch of the imagination and I'm a Trump supporter. Howardbthyname is no authoritarian and is a Trump supporter. Heck, Rand Paul and Tucker Carlson, (add Pat Buchanan) are examples of Libertarians, who obviously aren't authoritarian and are Trump supporters (most of the time). Trump Calls Off Cold War II | Patrick J. Buchanan - Official Website

You've gotta ask yourself if you're stretching things to fit your narrative of Trump being a bad guy. Are you, for example, part of that dopey group antifa 'cause they speak to your part of politics? The left wing?
 
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cabse5 said:
Like I posted in another on this thread, some moderate democrats have become GOP. Our president is an example. So, the middle does have someplace to go and it ain't the Democratic Party, that's for sure.
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Very few Moderates, from what I've seen, support Trump. He is not a moderate. He is giving into the Conservatives so often that it definitely turns off the Moderates, who prefer, in general, compromise, not what Trump is doing.
 
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cabse5 said:
You've not asked the right moderates. Ask me. Ask Right-Libertarians. Here's the most recent blog from Pat Buchanan a Right-Libertarian.
Trump Calls Off Cold War II | Patrick J. Buchanan - Official Website
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That is known as anecdotal evidence. It means absolutely zero to what many other polls and approval ratings are showing, which is that Moderates do not support Trump in general, even if a few do. There are more moderate Conservatives who support Trump than Democrats that do, but there is still a majority that do not support or approve of much of what he is doing.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/03/22/trump_and_women_independents_worrisome_signs_136593.html

Considering most of his support from the Republican Party and Right Leaning Libertarians comes from those who are conservative, extreme right, that would leave the moderates in the Republican Party as not supporting or approving of him or most of his actions.

And did you seriously just call Pat Buchanan a moderate? I hope not. Because he definitely is not moderate.
 
roguenuke said:
That is known as anecdotal evidence. It means absolutely zero to what many other polls and approval ratings are showing, which is that Moderates do not support Trump in general, even if a few do. There are more moderate Conservatives who support Trump than Democrats that do, but there is still a majority that do not support or approve of much of what he is doing.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/03/22/trump_and_women_independents_worrisome_signs_136593.html

Considering most of his support from the Republican Party and Right Leaning Libertarians comes from those who are conservative, extreme right, that would leave the moderates in the Republican Party as not supporting or approving of him or most of his actions.

And did you seriously just call Pat Buchanan a moderate? I hope not. Because he definitely is not moderate.
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My anecdotal evidence holds less weight than your anecdotal evidence?

roguenuke said:
Very few Moderates, from what I've seen, support Trump. He is not a moderate. He is giving into the Conservatives so often that it definitely turns off the Moderates, who prefer, in general, compromise, not what Trump is doing.
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Let me point out to you as a moderate I am: Moderates don't agree fully to any one faction. They agree with a little from column A and agree with a little from column B, for example.

Moderates don't prefer to compromise.
 
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cabse5 said:
My anecdotal evidence holds less weight than your anecdotal evidence?
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You are the one who is trying to claim Pat Buchanan is somehow Moderate, when he is highly conservative and certainly not anywhere close to a right libertarian.
 
Oborosen said:
I must admit, that poster sickens me more than just a little bit.

It basically says "we can come in and take your **** at gunpoint if we want" all over it.
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NO i think one of their slogans is no guns as well.
ol wait except for them :doh
 
Crowley isn't a moderate. He is a liberal.

Feinstein isn't a moderate. She is a liberal.

Your moderates are a dying breed of Democrats known as the Blue Dogs and any mention of Conservative Democrats.

The "Progressive" Democrats are slowly engaging in what the Tea Party Republicans did: kill off the remaining moderates, start redefining conservatives as moderates or RINOs, vote them out.

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VanceMack said:
Yep...they are dumping their left leaning democrats for a straight up leftist socialist...that makes Sarah Palin look like a financial and global political genus.

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I listened to her babble for the first minute. She has no clue what she is talking about.
Some of the greatest wealth generation in america happened between 1980 and 1999.

That right there disvows anything that she would say.

even today right now more people are moving up. The method to do this has changed.
People need to be more financial savy than they were before.

Today is the day an age where investing is vital to wealth generation.
There is no reason that you can't start some kind of mutual fund account.

even if it is a low risk account and earns you 3-5% a year you are still generating wealth.
 
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roguenuke said:
That is known as anecdotal evidence. It means absolutely zero to what many other polls and approval ratings are showing, which is that Moderates do not support Trump in general, even if a few do. There are more moderate Conservatives who support Trump than Democrats that do, but there is still a majority that do not support or approve of much of what he is doing.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/03/22/trump_and_women_independents_worrisome_signs_136593.html

Considering most of his support from the Republican Party and Right Leaning Libertarians comes from those who are conservative, extreme right, that would leave the moderates in the Republican Party as not supporting or approving of him or most of his actions.

And did you seriously just call Pat Buchanan a moderate? I hope not. Because he definitely is not moderate.
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Yes he is. He is a right-leaning libertarian who's enamored with right-winged politics but not to big government.

EDIT: Sometimes I just want to argue. Buchanan is conservative and has moderate GOP characteristics.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
Irrelevant to what I posted.

Please try again.
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How's this:

Saying that the Democratic Socialists are separate from the Democrats is like saying that the Tea Party is separate from the Republican Party.
 
cabse5 said:
Yes he is. He is a right-leaning libertarian who's enamored with right-winged politics but not to big government.

EDIT: Sometimes I just want to argue. Buchanan is conservative and has moderate GOP characteristics.
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His moderate GOP characteristics would be few and far between. He is not a Libertarian, who support individual freedoms, especially when it comes to many if not most social issues. He most definitely is conservative when it comes to social issues, pretty much all of them.
 
roguenuke said:
Very few Moderates, from what I've seen, support Trump. He is not a moderate. He is giving into the Conservatives so often that it definitely turns off the Moderates, who prefer, in general, compromise, not what Trump is doing.
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He was perceived as a moderate by much of the electorate. I think what was happening was, apart from Trump being unique to Trump, he was somewhat representing a small contingency of people who called themselves "radical centrists."

This was mainly on economic grounds.

The rest of his social agenda appealed to the alt-right and populist conservatives.

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Fiddytree said:
He was perceived as a moderate by much of the electorate. I think what was happening was, apart from Trump being unique to Trump, he was somewhat representing a small contingency of people who called themselves "radical centrists."

This was mainly on economic grounds.

The rest of his social agenda appealed to the alt-right and populist conservatives.

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I would not call his huge tax cut appealing to most "moderates". He is unique. And I don't believe he truly believes half of what he supports or claims to want to happen, but rather is pandering to a base that he sees as most likely to get he what him wants and maintain consistent popularity and adoration (which I believe is very important to President Trump).
 
roguenuke said:
I would not call his huge tax cut appealing to most "moderates". He is unique. And I don't believe he truly believes half of what he supports or claims to want to happen, but rather is pandering to a base that he sees as most likely to get he what him wants and maintain consistent popularity and adoration (which I believe is very important to President Trump).
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Tax cuts weren't favored by radical centrists or those on its periphery either. In fact, if you read American Affairs quarterly, which was founded as a Trump-era intellectual project, you'll note that most od these folks were profoundly disappointed in the President's deference to Paul Ryan and co. in healthcare and in tax policy.

They did still believe that the President's bashing of the TPP and overtures to infrastructure were desirable.

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Fiddytree said:
He was perceived as a moderate by much of the electorate. I think what was happening was, apart from Trump being unique to Trump, he was somewhat representing a small contingency of people who called themselves "radical centrists."

This was mainly on economic grounds.

The rest of his social agenda appealed to the alt-right and populist conservatives.

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BS, those that have polisci understanding, enough to know what a moderate is, rejected him. Those with 2 years or more of college. How can you consider a capitalist/populist/xenophobe like him a "moderate"?
 
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