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We have to compile a list of Trump sympathizers

eohrnberger said:
Via the ballot box, not to elect those who would create lists such as you propose for one, and especially not for the purposes you propose.

If I may perhaps suggest some recommended reading?

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Trumped Up: How Criminalization of Political Differences Endangers Democracy
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Oh, so espionage and money laundering are just "political differences" now!
 
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DifferentDrummr said:
Now that we've seen a bigger part of the picture of what the so-called president is up to, the danger is very clear.

He can use, and probably is using, a number of his loyalists to launder money on his behalf, collect sensitive data for the Russian government, and who knows what other kinds of crimes. These people can't be trusted within the mainstream of society until they've been investigated fully and can prove no wrongdoing.

And as far as Congress goes, anyone who doesn't support such a list probably belongs on it.
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DifferentDrummr said:
Oh, so espionage and money laundering are just "political differences" now!
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See post #54

And you've moved the goal posts. This was in reference to your proposal of creating lists of Trump supporters and effectively removing them society by the barrel of the government gun. Yeah, as if that isn't fascist; a left winger fascist.
 
eohrnberger said:
See post #54

And you've moved the goal posts. This was in reference to your proposal of creating lists of Trump supporters and effectively removing them society by the barrel of the government gun. Yeah, as if that isn't fascist; a left winger fascist.
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For the purpose of dealing with spies and financial criminals. If someone is cleared, they get their stuff back.

Which I said earlier in the thread, so it's not moving the goal posts.
 
we need to compile a list of these mentally unstable people on these forums so that they can purchase weapons and hurt people in the name of defending this country from phantom enemies. ****ing insane left wingers are so crazy these days its beyond belief how something like this can happen to people who are born in this country, pure insanity.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
For the purpose of dealing with spies and financial criminals. If someone is cleared, they get their stuff back.

Which I said earlier in the thread, so it's not moving the goal posts.
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DifferentDrummr said:
Now that we've seen a bigger part of the picture of what the so-called president is up to, the danger is very clear.

He can use, and probably is using, a number of his loyalists to launder money on his behalf, collect sensitive data for the Russian government, and who knows what other kinds of crimes. These people can't be trusted within the mainstream of society until they've been investigated fully and can prove no wrongdoing.

And as far as Congress goes, anyone who doesn't support such a list probably belongs on it.
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"until they've been investigated fully and can prove no wrongdoing"
Guilty until proven innocent (how can you prove a negative?). That's not how the US criminal justice system works.

"These people can't be trusted within the mainstream of society"
Social banishment until proven innocent. This is just yet another leftist #MeToo bullying tactic of the worst possible manner applied to imagined and unproven criminal wrongdoing.

Once accused of imagined crimes, the social banishment takes place, never mind if later proven to be innocent, but again, how to prove a negative.

No, this whole idea is the polar opposite of principals on which the US nation was founded on, and little more than fascist leftist's fevered imaginations of 'how to make the world right', by force, both the government's gun barrel as well as social excoriation on mere rumor, innuendo, baseless claims being more than sufficient.

It is unprincipled, unjust, and wrong. Didn't you ever have any education in US civics in your educational career?
No?

I suggest that you might consider taking some night courses on the subject.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Now that we've seen a bigger part of the picture of what the so-called president is up to, the danger is very clear.

He can use, and probably is using, a number of his loyalists to launder money on his behalf, collect sensitive data for the Russian government, and who knows what other kinds of crimes. These people can't be trusted within the mainstream of society until they've been investigated fully and can prove no wrongdoing.

And as far as Congress goes, anyone who doesn't support such a list probably belongs on it.
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You're one of those idea people that put no work into your own suggestion. Can you at least start the list with a few names? Joe McCarthy primed the pump and got a gush of names from sleazebags like himself, sadly misguided bastards and a litany of false patriots.
 
bluesmoke said:
You're one of those idea people that put no work into your own suggestion. Can you at least start the list with a few names? Joe McCarthy primed the pump and got a gush of names from sleazebags like himself, sadly misguided bastards and a litany of false patriots.
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Five names right here: https://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/325003-whats-your-trump-walkback-verdict.html

Then there are the Kochs, Sheldon Adelson, the Fox propagandists like Hannity and Carlson . . .
 
eohrnberger said:
"until they've been investigated fully and can prove no wrongdoing"
Guilty until proven innocent (how can you prove a negative?).
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Hate to burst your bubble, but there's a huge part of the US legal system in which guilty until proven innocent IS the rule.

Tax court is but one example.

"These people can't be trusted within the mainstream of society"
Social banishment until proven innocent. This is just yet another leftist #MeToo bullying tactic of the worst possible manner applied to imagined and unproven criminal wrongdoing.
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Interesting how you never mention that you think these people can be trusted.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Five names right here: https://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/325003-whats-your-trump-walkback-verdict.html

Then there are the Kochs, Sheldon Adelson, the Fox propagandists like Hannity and Carlson . . .
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Great. Now, what evidence can you give to support your claim that these people are laundering money on Trump’s behalf and collecting sensitive data for the Russian government? Only then can there be justification to fully investigate "these people". BTW, in America, no one has to prove “no wrongdoing”. In America, people have to be proved doing wrong. You should know, innocent until proven guilty, Senator McCarthy.
 
bluesmoke said:
Great. Now, what evidence can you give to support your claim that these people are laundering money on Trump’s behalf and collecting sensitive data for the Russian government? Only then can there be justification to fully investigate "these people". BTW, in America, no one has to prove “no wrongdoing”. In America, people have to be proved doing wrong. You should know, innocent until proven guilty, Senator McCarthy.
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Something tells me that if you looked at all their tax returns, bank statements, and portfolios. . . you would almost certainly find something sketchy.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
For the purpose of dealing with spies and financial criminals. If someone is cleared, they get their stuff back.

Which I said earlier in the thread, so it's not moving the goal posts.
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How nice of you Komrade!:lamo
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Now that we've seen a bigger part of the picture of what the so-called president is up to, the danger is very clear.

He can use, and probably is using, a number of his loyalists to launder money on his behalf, collect sensitive data for the Russian government, and who knows what other kinds of crimes. These people can't be trusted within the mainstream of society until they've been investigated fully and can prove no wrongdoing.

And as far as Congress goes, anyone who doesn't support such a list probably belongs on it.
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It is hard to tell if you are joking or not.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Hate to burst your bubble, but there's a huge part of the US legal system in which guilty until proven innocent IS the rule.

Tax court is but one example.
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Moved goalposts. Were we not discussing the criminal part of the legal system?

Interesting how you never mention that you think these people can be trusted.
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Where have I said that. You really need to break yourself of this habit of reading in what you want instead of what's really there.

Where in any of my posts in this thread have I stated I trust anyone?

Still haven't responded to:

DifferentDrummr said:
"Thwarted" with the power of the State, of course. Too funny.
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eohrnberger said:
Reading in what's not there to support your narrative? All too typical.

Where did I state that.
Please quote.
Please copy / paste it.

Because anyone that has achieved even a rudimentary level of reading comprehension won't read it there.
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Where in any of my posts did I state that The State should thwart this leftist fascist proposal of yours for punishing and eliminating any political opponents?

[h=1]We have to compile a list of Trump sympathizers[/h]
Which is what this thread is all about anyway. Note the title, nothing about what you later introduced as spies and criminals.
No, just 'Trump sympathizers', so people with different political opinions than yours.

As if your aren't a closet leftist fascist, which is clearly what you appear to be.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Something tells me that if you looked at all their tax returns, bank statements, and portfolios. . . you would almost certainly find something sketchy.
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Have you considered being an attorney, because that's a solid argument, bro.
 
phattonez said:
Have you considered being an attorney, because that's a solid argument, bro.
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Well, ya know, he's right. Something is sketchy. Gotta give him credit for smelling that out, but I think it's so close to home for him that it'd be a miracle if he didn't smell it.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
I can say this (and I really believe it): Some people in this country, in addition to DJT, deserve this kind of treatment.
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Usually the one that says these types of things is the one that needs this done to him first.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Something tells me that if you looked at all their tax returns, bank statements, and portfolios. . . you would almost certainly find something sketchy.
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You would most certainly find something sketchy with any set of criteria that has characteristics most likely to find "sketchy", even without any proof of wrongdoing. That you have that opinion is just fine. I might even agree with you. That you make the recommendation you did is a reckless, unsubstantiated accusation and a demagogic attack on others for illegitimate reasons as you cannot show any proof of wrongdoing. What you propose is truly a “witch hunt”, a search for and persecution of people who hold a different political view than you do. To base government investigation of fellow Americans on your criteria is wholly unconstitutional and un-American. Go find a government that better suits your fondness for despotism and please leave our America a democracy. Or, admit you would not actually go through with such a preposterous recommendation.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Now that we've seen a bigger part of the picture of what the so-called president is up to, the danger is very clear.

He can use, and probably is using, a number of his loyalists to launder money on his behalf, collect sensitive data for the Russian government, and who knows what other kinds of crimes. These people can't be trusted within the mainstream of society until they've been investigated fully and can prove no wrongdoing.

And as far as Congress goes, anyone who doesn't support such a list probably belongs on it.
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While I might agree to some extent with the sentiment, actually doing this would be a terrible idea...not to mention morally wrong. We simply cannot do this, or risk becoming the very monsters we're trying to fight.
 
Mach said:
Cap, if you could bottle your chill I'd buy a lifetime supply.

I won't be able to say it only once, but I do have sympathy for the people that got fooled. For the DP faithful, Hannity types, Nunes and the House cronies, Rudy, Sanders, who defended him against good reasoning, with their lies and nonsense, and but Obama and but Hillary...no, for them, nothing.
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My chill comes in a baggie, not a bottle. LOL!
 
veritas1 said:
How nice of you Komrade!:lamo
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Police Civil forfeiture is being abused when law abiding citizens have their assets seized, have the suspected charges cleared after an investigation and then can't get their assets back. It needs to be curbed back to eliminate this abuse, if you ask me.
 
ashurbanipal said:
While I might agree to some extent with the sentiment, actually doing this would be a terrible idea...not to mention morally wrong. We simply cannot do this, or risk becoming the very monsters we're trying to fight.
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Agreed. Not to mention a number of constitutional infringements. But since when was the left concerned about adherence to the constitution, unless, of course, it was the invention of some imagined right and claiming to be a constitutional issue when it's clearly not. :roll:
Tired of the bull****.
 
eohrnberger said:
Police Civil forfeiture is being abused when law abiding citizens have their assets seized, have the suspected charges cleared after an investigation and then can't get their assets back. It needs to be curbed back to eliminate this abuse, if you ask me.
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I agree. However, the OP seems to have no problem in recommending that we abuse people's rights.
 
veritas1 said:
I agree. However, the OP seems to have no problem in recommending that we abuse people's rights.
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Agreed.

Hadn't realized that Civics instruction in the education system had fallen to such low standards.
 
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