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Trump-Russia behaviors

Rogue Valley

Rogue Valley

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Listening to Trump take questions from reporters after his pal-up with Putin in Helsinki, it strikes me that Trump takes great pains in his answers to never elevate the US above Russia and to never denigrate Russia. In Trumps world (at least in his public mutterings) there is a strict equivalency between the US and Russia. If Russia is bad, the US is also bad. This is not the principle Trump operates by in relations with for example China, the EU, or the NATO alliance. In such cases the Trump US is always in the right and the others are always in the wrong. But this viewpoint of moral and ideological superiority is never vocalized in regards to Russia despite Putin's Russia being an authoritarian dictatorship that suppresses domestic freedoms and works tirelessly to suppress democracy around the world. Russia is also guilty of violating international treaties and trampling on national sovereignty (Georgia - Crimea/eastern Ukraine), and committing war crimes (carpet/cluster bombing of populated cities) in Syria. Putin's Russian state also extensively meddled in the 2016 US election (12 Russian GRU officers indicted) and is meddling/attacking on a far larger scale now according to Trumps own Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats.

Trump never-ever scolds Russia for any of this and always drags the US down to Moscow's level. Trump never uses any "Reaganesque" language concerning Putin.

"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" -- "Mr. Putin, stop the cyber attacks and election meddling!." Never. Ever.

The trusty "Trump doesn't want to scold/insult/embarrass Russia" excuse doesn't wash either because Trump doesn't hesitate to scold/insult/embarrass everyone else.

What is it? Why does Trump always consider Russia and the US as morally/ethically equitable?
 
Rogue Valley said:
What is it? Why does Trump always consider Russia and the US as morally/ethically equitable?
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Trump actually views Russia as superior to the US because Russia has autocratic rule, unlike the US.

never in my wildest imagination would I have ever dreamed that I would live to see the day when any US president would be owned like a bitch by the Russians

we are truly living in a surreal space in time .........
 
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Not much coming back from the Right I see. Though I doubt that means that a light has finally come on over their cement heads. They are just waiting for their Hannity/Carlson talking points I am sure.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Listening to Trump take questions from reporters after his pal-up with Putin in Helsinki, it strikes me that Trump takes great pains in his answers to never elevate the US above Russia and to never denigrate Russia. In Trumps world (at least in his public mutterings) there is a strict equivalency between the US and Russia. If Russia is bad, the US is also bad. This is not the principle Trump operates by in relations with for example China, the EU, or the NATO alliance. In such cases the Trump US is always in the right and the others are always in the wrong. But this viewpoint of moral and ideological superiority is never vocalized in regards to Russia despite Putin's Russia being an authoritarian dictatorship that suppresses domestic freedoms and works tirelessly to suppress democracy around the world. Russia is also guilty of violating international treaties and trampling on national sovereignty (Georgia - Crimea/eastern Ukraine), and committing war crimes (carpet/cluster bombing of populated cities) in Syria. Putin's Russian state also extensively meddled in the 2016 US election (12 Russian GRU officers indicted) and is meddling/attacking on a far larger scale now according to Trumps own Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats.

Trump never-ever scolds Russia for any of this and always drags the US down to Moscow's level. Trump never uses any "Reaganesque" language concerning Putin.

"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" -- "Mr. Putin, stop the cyber attacks and election meddling!." Never. Ever.

The trusty "Trump doesn't want to scold/insult/embarrass Russia" excuse doesn't wash either because Trump doesn't hesitate to scold/insult/embarrass everyone else.

What is it? Why does Trump always consider Russia and the US as morally/ethically equitable?
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Because we are. We've done bad things; Russia has done bad things.

Russia interferes in our elections (allegedly); we actually interfere with dozens of elections.
 
cuban smokes said:
Trump actually views Russia as superior to the US because Russia has autocratic rule, unlike the US.

never in my wildest imagination would I have ever dreamed that I would live to see the day when any US president would be owned like a bitch by the Russians

we are truly living in a surreal space in time .........
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The 1980's called. They want their foreign policy back...
 
Rogue Valley said:
Listening to Trump take questions from reporters after his pal-up with Putin in Helsinki, it strikes me that Trump takes great pains in his answers to never elevate the US above Russia and to never denigrate Russia. In Trumps world (at least in his public mutterings) there is a strict equivalency between the US and Russia. If Russia is bad, the US is also bad. This is not the principle Trump operates by in relations with for example China, the EU, or the NATO alliance. In such cases the Trump US is always in the right and the others are always in the wrong. But this viewpoint of moral and ideological superiority is never vocalized in regards to Russia despite Putin's Russia being an authoritarian dictatorship that suppresses domestic freedoms and works tirelessly to suppress democracy around the world. Russia is also guilty of violating international treaties and trampling on national sovereignty (Georgia - Crimea/eastern Ukraine), and committing war crimes (carpet/cluster bombing of populated cities) in Syria. Putin's Russian state also extensively meddled in the 2016 US election (12 Russian GRU officers indicted) and is meddling/attacking on a far larger scale now according to Trumps own Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats.

Trump never-ever scolds Russia for any of this and always drags the US down to Moscow's level. Trump never uses any "Reaganesque" language concerning Putin.

"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" -- "Mr. Putin, stop the cyber attacks and election meddling!." Never. Ever.

The trusty "Trump doesn't want to scold/insult/embarrass Russia" excuse doesn't wash either because Trump doesn't hesitate to scold/insult/embarrass everyone else.

What is it? Why does Trump always consider Russia and the US as morally/ethically equitable?
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How long can the Republicans defend this clown show?
 
Rogue Valley said:
Listening to Trump take questions from reporters after his pal-up with Putin in Helsinki, it strikes me that Trump takes great pains in his answers to never elevate the US above Russia and to never denigrate Russia. In Trumps world (at least in his public mutterings) there is a strict equivalency between the US and Russia. If Russia is bad, the US is also bad. This is not the principle Trump operates by in relations with for example China, the EU, or the NATO alliance. In such cases the Trump US is always in the right and the others are always in the wrong. But this viewpoint of moral and ideological superiority is never vocalized in regards to Russia despite Putin's Russia being an authoritarian dictatorship that suppresses domestic freedoms and works tirelessly to suppress democracy around the world. Russia is also guilty of violating international treaties and trampling on national sovereignty (Georgia - Crimea/eastern Ukraine), and committing war crimes (carpet/cluster bombing of populated cities) in Syria. Putin's Russian state also extensively meddled in the 2016 US election (12 Russian GRU officers indicted) and is meddling/attacking on a far larger scale now according to Trumps own Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats.

Trump never-ever scolds Russia for any of this and always drags the US down to Moscow's level. Trump never uses any "Reaganesque" language concerning Putin.

"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" -- "Mr. Putin, stop the cyber attacks and election meddling!." Never. Ever.

The trusty "Trump doesn't want to scold/insult/embarrass Russia" excuse doesn't wash either because Trump doesn't hesitate to scold/insult/embarrass everyone else.

What is it? Why does Trump always consider Russia and the US as morally/ethically equitable?
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Trump's fart of a deal. :fart

Nobody knows more about negotiating than Donald Trump! What is worse is that what we are seeing and hearing now is for public consumption. Now is as good as it gets. Later at some point we will discover what Trump gave away during his private Putin ass kissing.

I'm waiting for the GOP to explain how all this is right and good.

Trump owns the GOP and we all know that. Russia owns Trump. The only way to mitigate the damage is to vote the Trump Party out beginning in November.

I am an Independent and I have voted that way for years. Beginning today my money and votes will go to Democrats. I don't agree with them but Donald Trump and the Trump Party are destroying the United States. If the GOP cannot or will not stop America's appeasement of Putin and Russia we are left with no choice but to vote them out.
 
Hedgology said:
Because we are. We've done bad things; Russia has done bad things.

Russia interferes in our elections (allegedly); we actually interfere with dozens of elections.
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Trump gains the US nothing by resorting to such simplistic moral equivalency. Especially because he is out there on an island.

Putin is far too smart to denigrate his Russia in front of the world like Trump denigrates the US (but only when dealing with Russia).
 
Strange we never see Trump kicking the US to the curb at NATO meetings. Never.

Only in his dealings with Russia.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Trump gains the US nothing by resorting to such simplistic moral equivalency. Especially because he is out there on an island.

Putin is far too smart to denigrate his Russia in front of the world like Trump denigrates the US (but only when dealing with Russia).
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Other Un-patriotic Americans lining up to continue to support Trump.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Trump gains the US nothing by resorting to such simplistic moral equivalency. Especially because he is out there on an island.
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Dismissing equivocations as "simplistic" doesn't erase the fact that they are equivalencies

Putin is far too smart to denigrate his Russia in front of the world like Trump denigrates the US (but only when dealing with Russia).
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The last president already set the standard for going on apology tours. As long as partisan hacks keep pretending as if the world has ended when they weren't in power, you will get more behavior like this.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Trump's fart of a deal. :fart

Nobody knows more about negotiating than Donald Trump! What is worse is that what we are seeing and hearing now is for public consumption. Now is as good as it gets. Later at some point we will discover what Trump gave away during his private Putin ass kissing.

I'm waiting for the GOP to explain how all this is right and good.

Trump owns the GOP and we all know that. Russia owns Trump. The only way to mitigate the damage is to vote the Trump Party out beginning in November.

I am an Independent and I have voted that way for years. Beginning today my money and votes will go to Democrats. I don't agree with them but Donald Trump and the Trump Party are destroying the United States. If the GOP cannot or will not stop America's appeasement of Putin and Russia we are left with no choice but to vote them out.
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well, I have said it before here @ DP but I will say this again:
As long as I breathe I will never again vote for any GOP candidate, for any office, not even for dog catcher.
The GOP has Trump to thank for this; no one else.
Hey GOP, look, over here; **** you .............
 
Hedgology said:
The 1980's called. They want their foreign policy back...
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Russia invaded its neighbor to grab valuable oil fields. Same old Kremlin, and the party that once was staunchly anti Russia, now tolerates Trumps Kremlin ass kissing. Its very perplexing, and begs the question, why ?
 
yankintx said:
Russia invaded its neighbor to grab valuable oil fields. Same old Kremlin, and the party that once was staunchly anti Russia, now tolerates Trumps Kremlin ass kissing. Its very perplexing, and begs the question, why ?
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Invaded it's neighbors? I'm not sure what you are referring to. You're going to have to be more specific.
 
yankintx said:
Russia invaded its neighbor to grab valuable oil fields. Same old Kremlin, and the party that once was staunchly anti Russia, now tolerates Trumps Kremlin ass kissing. Its very perplexing, and begs the question, why ?
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You're wasting your time. He doesn't want to know the answer or he knows it and doesn't care. Its time for this nonsense to divide on lines that are much easier to understand....a patriotic American vs an un-patriotic American. How is that for cutting through the grey fog?
 
jnug said:
You're wasting your time. He doesn't want to know the answer or he knows it and doesn't care. Its time for this nonsense to divide on lines that are much easier to understand....a patriotic American vs an un-patriotic American. How is that for cutting through the grey fog?
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I was not sure if the poster had no knowledge of the Crimea situation, or was looking to play like Trump and excuse the behaviour. I chose the first option, posted a link for their benefit. I tutor history, and am never suprised at Americans lack of knowledge outside the US borders.
 
yankintx said:
The Ukraine was an independent country, who at one time had the most valuable oil fields in Europe. Now those fields belong to Russia, by force.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/...rimea-putin-gains-a-sea-of-fuel-reserves.html
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Oh, you're referring to the annexation of Crimea.

As far as I'm concerned, Crimea had a referendum to leave Ukraine and an overwhelming majority voted to leave and join Russia. So the idea that Russia invaded Ukraine is not an argument that I buy.
 
jnug said:
You're wasting your time. He doesn't want to know the answer or he knows it and doesn't care. Its time for this nonsense to divide on lines that are much easier to understand....a patriotic American vs an un-patriotic American. How is that for cutting through the grey fog?
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I'm not sure what makes you more Patriotic than me, other than your opinion.
 
Hedgology said:
Oh, you're referring to the annexation of Crimea.

As far as I'm concerned, Crimea had a referendum to leave Ukraine and an overwhelming majority voted to leave and join Russia. So the idea that Russia invaded Ukraine is not an argument that I buy.
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I was mistaken, you are an Adorable. You do know those elections were rigged ? Unless you choose to believe Putin, purse your lips, and pucker up to Vlads Commie ass.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/28928165.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo.../18/how-russia-rigged-crimean-referendum/amp/
 
Hedgology said:
Oh, you're referring to the annexation of Crimea.

As far as I'm concerned, Crimea had a referendum to leave Ukraine and an overwhelming majority voted to leave and join Russia. So the idea that Russia invaded Ukraine is not an argument that I buy.
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So let me get this straight...a referendum vote which of course could be rigged is justification for invading and annexing sovereign territory? Nice one.... and yet another harkening back to the same sort of justification used by Hitler ahead of WW2. I have noticed how many times Trump and his sycophants now harken back to the principles of Fascism and Nazi Germany and seem now to do it shamelessly, proudly in fact.
 
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